How suppressive is Anavar compared to other compounds?

[Nighthawkk]

I was just pondering this today. It seems that many here use Var in cutting cycles, but never mention anything about recovery or if it is necessary. How much would a light dose (just enough to be anti-catabolic) of say 25-35mg ED for 6-8 weeks shut you down? I'm asking this because I am in Week 7 of Test/Deca/Dbol (finishing with Prop/Winny weeks 9-12) and wish to attempt to drop all this BF I have accumulated, hopefully after the 4 weeks of PCT. My plan was to start CKD at that time, add Clen/T-rex, and throw in some cardio, with the hopes of retaining all muscle and not shutting myself down. Any ideas on how to work this? K for solid advice

 

[xonic2xonic2]

I don't know the answer but I am trying something similar.... 200-300mg primo/wk while cutting 12 weeks....

I thought about anavar instead BUT my quest for info suggested that the anavar would shut down even on 30-40mg/day whereeas the above dosage of primo will not cause shutdown at all.

 

[TheRide]

I want to say over the winter I read a similar thread and the consensus was, PCT is best practice, but Var isn't "as bad" as some other compounds. It will affect your hormonal level like any AAS but it's less likely to have a pronounced effect such as Deca or Tren per sae. I'm going to do a search and try to find the thread. Some of the mods had some great input - namely Huck on the issue.

Bump for add'l input!

 

[Nighthawkk]

I want to say over the winter I read a similar thread and the consensus was, PCT is best practice, but Var isn't "as bad" as some other compounds. It will affect your hormonal level like any AAS but it's less likely to have a pronounced effect such as Deca or Tren per sae. I'm going to do a search and try to find the thread. Some of the mods had some great input - namely Huck on the issue.

Bump for add'l input!

Thanks bro, appreciate it

 

[buckwheat1]

I don't know the answer but I am trying something similar.... 200-300mg primo/wk while cutting 12 weeks....

I thought about anavar instead BUT my quest for info suggested that the anavar would shut down even on 30-40mg/day whereeas the above dosage of primo will not cause shutdown at all.

200-300mg of primo will suppress testosterone, LH , FSH, etc. It is a myth that primo and var do not cause suppression.

They both may not suppress as much or they may be easier to recover from but they both will cause the hpta to affected.

 

[xonic2xonic2]

Complete shutdown? And is var worse than primo for this?

 

[The Terminator]

200-300mg of primo will suppress testosterone, LH , FSH, etc. It is a myth that primo and var do not cause suppression.

They both may not suppress as much or they may be easier to recover from but they both will cause the hpta to affected.

Well said

 

[xonic2xonic2]

I am starting a primo only 200-300mg 12 weeker pretty soon... I will post results... Also will have before after bloodworks..... Last time my revovery from tren+winny was about 6 weeks without any "PCT".

 

[buckwheat1]

Complete shutdown? And is var worse than primo for this?

Hard to say. Another interesting fact is that different people have varying degrees of inhibition and recover. So when we discuss these things we must talk very generally about them.

I think that if you do a cycle of var that you must assume that you will be inhibited and will need recovery. You will have to build up experience on how fast you recover on different amounts and types of gear.

 

[georgie24]

i think primo is shutting me down a little bit. my pecker is not as solid as it was 2 weeks ago. im gonna run proviron for some safe measures

 

[Nathan]

Bumps for those old threads. You may want to consider 10-15mg of d-bol in the morning for your purposes.

 

[georgie24]

im getting turned on more and more to dbol. nathan do you think it will deliver better libido than proviron?

 

[Jenetic]

Andriol, Testosterone Undecanote, may be a better option.

Personally, if it's time to come off then it's time to come off.

 

[Jenetic]

I was just pondering this today. It seems that many here use Var in cutting cycles, but never mention anything about recovery or if it is necessary. How much would a light dose (just enough to be anti-catabolic) of say 25-35mg ED for 6-8 weeks shut you down? I'm asking this because I am in Week 7 of Test/Deca/Dbol (finishing with Prop/Winny weeks 9-12) and wish to attempt to drop all this BF I have accumulated, hopefully after the 4 weeks of PCT. My plan was to start CKD at that time, add Clen/T-rex, and throw in some cardio, with the hopes of retaining all muscle and not shutting myself down. Any ideas on how to work this? K for solid advice

Oxandrolone causes significant suppression at 15mg ED within 5 days:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705

Serum OX concentrations on day 3 (1.9 ± 0.4 ng/dL) and day 5 (2.2 ± 0.3 ng/dL) of OX administration, measured 10 h after each evening’s oral dose (2100 h), remained steady. However, by 18 h posttreatment on day 5, serum OX levels were markedly reduced (0.48 ± 0.06 ng/dL; P < 0.01) compared to day 3 or day 5 10-h values. Total serum T concentrations were within normal physiological range on day 0 (449 ± 35 ng/dL) and day 3 (441 ± 44 ng/dL) of OX treatment. However, by day 5, total serum T concentrations were significantly reduced (282 ± 45 ng/dL; P < 0.05) below day 0 and day 3 values (Fig. 3). Serum free T concentrations were within normal physiological range on days 0, 3, and 5. However, by day 5, serum free T concentrations were significantly reduced (98 ± 10 pg/mL; P < 0.001) below day 0 (121 ± 12 pg/mL) and day 3 (126 ± 9 pg/mL) values. Hence, the total androgen concentration (T + OX) was reduced in parallel to the reduction in T

 

[The Terminator]

im getting turned on more and more to dbol. nathan do you think it will deliver better libido than proviron?

 

[Nathan]

im getting turned on more and more to dbol. nathan do you think it will deliver better libido than proviron?

I foudn with a d-bol bridge that my libido itself doesn't go up a whole lot, at least not like on test. I still wake up with hard-ons though and have no trouble getting it up. Ask me again in a few weeks. I remember when I went back on test I could feel it was test in my system again, so I could definitely tell a difference between test and d-bol, though that could be because the d-bol suppressed me and didn't allow my own test to come back up to the levels it should be at under normal conditions, which is my guess. I do like the d-bol bridge though to be honest. Here's how I look at it:

If you are going to bridge or use ANY steroid, there will be suppression, no matter what. HOWEVER, you can do your best to still allow your HPTA to get working to an extent, even though it won't be at its peak performance. So long as my body's own hormonal system gets going again, I'm comforted by the fact that it still remembers how. Also, with the d-bol bridge, my nuts grow back to normal size, and my loads get bigger from clomid therapy. I realize that doesn't mean my own test production is back, but it seems to suggest that my balls haven't atrophied. Go me. That's how I look at it. If you want your body working as it should be if you aren't taking anything at all, then you need to be doing just that, taking nothing at all.