How responsible is the UAW regarding Ford's situation?

[DannoMight]

I live close to chicago heights and ford heights where the ford factory is and it is in a very bad neighborhood. There is always prostitutes and crackheads around the plant. I also know a few people that work there and from what they tell me they can score any drug they want at any time. They also tell me about people that work there that make $80,000 a year and don't have nothing but a drug habit. They don't even have a vehicle. They walk to work. I wouldn't want a car built by these people.

 

[Mr. dB]

Ford has recalls on everything. I believe Jeremy Clarkson from Top Gear had a Ford GT for a week and said it was the biggest piece of shit ever.

http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/features/super-cars/ford-gt/

He doesn't seem to brutal here...

 

[Mr. dB]

http://motoring.independent.co.uk/road_tests/article17967.ece

And here one of the other Top Gear presenters mentions that Clarkson is BUYING a GT.

 

[WODIN]

We need to bring back the mafia

Let's start!!!

 

[Mr. dB]

i believe among other things it is,atleast in canada i dont see them as a positive thing, even canadian ford plants are doing better then american ones,our laws are just more worker oriented i suppose

In Canada there is no worry over workers' and retirees' medical benefits, since you have National Health Care. Perhaps a similar system down here would prove to be a boon to US employers faced with huge worker benefits packages.

 

[mekannik]

Ah yes, those highly productive efficiency experts. We had one tell use that we could get by with 1 1/2 people doing the job that 2 people were doing, but they couldn't figure out how to cut a person in half.

My response is always the same, show me. I'm thinking that when I go to work tonight I'm not going to see any of them on the floor at 3:30 am.

The quick way to profits is cut people, but in the long term you will still lose money unless you create a better product. Right up the road from me is a BMW plant. Their employees are highly paid, their cars are expensive, yet those cars are selling, why?

I worked for five years for an automotive Tier I supplier and saw firsthand the shop floors of Ford, Subaru, and Mitsubishi. Guess which one had picnic tables with worker taking 1/2 hour breaks - not lunches, breaks - and smoking cigarettes 5 feet from the production line.

Need a little help? F_rd.

As for your little work experience above - have you ever studied lean manufacturing principles? Do you want your company to succeed and sustain in a competitve environment?

I have done two events in the past two weeks in a manufacturing plant of over 1,500 workers, non-union. Each time when the group went out to observe a work cell the look in their eyes when they see the waste - time, motion, reprocessing, handling - their jaws hit the floor. All of a sudden they care about money and the costs to the company to stay afloat and competitive.

Narrow vision workers like yourself are part of the reason the American labor force has lost its edge. Unions only exacerbate the effect.

 

[mekannik]

you anti-union people amuse me.

where do you think your paid vacations came from?

sick leave?

15 minute breaks?

retirement plan?

8 hour work day?

time and a half after 8 hours?




do you really think all these benefits came out of the bottomless pit of compassion that management has for it's workers??


BULL SHIT!!!!!!!!!

the uninons that ya'll so fashionably attack won all these rights for ya'll.


with side show bob in the white house doing his level best to take away all of your rights and his rich republican buddies backing him..... we are ripe for a return of the sweat shops of the early 1900's.

Spoken (over and over again) like a true brainwashed union bitch.

Three of your points -
15 minute breaks

8 hour work day

time and a half after 8 hours

... I do not receive. Being salaried I work till my job is done. Some days 9-10 hours. Others a few less. But at least I do not have some lazy fuckoff with his hand in my pocket being paid to represent me.

Grow up, educate yourself, and sell your abilities to an employer - do not rely on some union board to look out for your best interest.



Get lucid.

 

[big4life]

I worked for five years for an automotive Tier I supplier and saw firsthand the shop floors of Ford, Subaru, and Mitsubishi. Guess which one had picnic tables with worker taking 1/2 hour breaks - not lunches, breaks - and smoking cigarettes 5 feet from the production line.

Need a little help? F_rd.

As for your little work experience above - have you ever studied lean manufacturing principles? Do you want your company to succeed and sustain in a competitve environment?

I have done two events in the past two weeks in a manufacturing plant of over 1,500 workers, non-union. Each time when the group went out to observe a work cell the look in their eyes when they see the waste - time, motion, reprocessing, handling - their jaws hit the floor. All of a sudden they care about money and the costs to the company to stay afloat and competitive.

Narrow vision workers like yourself are part of the reason the American labor force has lost its edge. Unions only exacerbate the effect.

You're one of them, aren't you? You're one of those who tried to figure out how we could get by with 1 1/2 people instead of 2.


The next time you visit a site, look around at the people working there. Stop and talk to them. You might find that they actually know something about the job they are doing, and this might be the shocker here, they might know more about it than you do.


BTW. I work for a worldwide corporation, and do you know where their most productive plants are? That's right, right here in America. So before you want to talk shit about workers who are lazy, and have no vision, you might want to take your head out of your ass, or probably some manager's ass, and look around.

Getting back on topic here, the reason Ford and GM are losing money is because their R&D sucks.

 

[mekannik]

You're one of them, aren't you? You're one of those who tried to figure out how we could get by with 1 1/2 people instead of 2.


The next time you visit a site, look around at the people working there. Stop and talk to them. You might find that they actually know something about the job they are doing, and this might be the shocker here, they might know more about it than you do.


BTW. I work for a worldwide corporation, and do you know where their most productive plants are? That's right, right here in America. So before you want to talk shit about workers who are lazy, and have no vision, you might want to take your head out of your ass, or probably some manager's ass, and look around.

Getting back on topic here, the reason Ford and GM are losing money is because their R&D sucks.

Uh, who do you think was on my teams? Who were the ones inputting past experience? Everyday production woes?

People off the floor.


Perhaps your "worldwide corporation" might become "world class" if they hired 'experts' who knew and understood that 1 and 1/2 people means 2. And that the 1/2 person relates more to per unit output and manning needs.


BTW - where do you think these lean manufacturing ideas originated from?

 

[javaguru]

have you ever been in a union?

what functions taken over by the govt are you referring to?

Card carrying teamster during college. The first unions were organized over work conditions,worker safety, and child labor etc. Those are the things I'm talking about. Modern Unions only inflate wages and benefit packages beyond what the market would allow. Ironically, if every US worker was in a monopolistic union the auto workers relative wage would probably be $8.50 an hour after the economy recovered and adjusted.