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I'm taking in 125mgs of Test Cyp a week. And have been now for a while. If I keep up, how much Testosterone "per day" will I be getting? Average around how much?
How much TEST will I be getting?
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RADAR
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Now if mean how much will eventually build up thats impossible to answer without a blood test.
Break it down for me please. Teach me. What's the exact math you used to get this equation? Just want to know so that next time someone asks me...."How much Test am I really getting with 316mgs of Test Cyp"? I'll know exactly what answer to give them.
needtogetaas
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so about 12mg a day lol...
ghettostudmuffin
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At that dose of test you'd be sitting right around the average production level that a natural guy produces over a week. Technically more since as far as I know once you inject it test levels start spiking right away.
Test cyp has around a 9-10 day half life I believe so you'll have around 82mg like Radar said and for each day after that'll drop like 5 mgs until on day 9-10 you reach the half-live=41mg test or so.
I'm just guessing here.
Test cyp has around a 9-10 day half life I believe so you'll have around 82mg like Radar said and for each day after that'll drop like 5 mgs until on day 9-10 you reach the half-live=41mg test or so.
I'm just guessing here.
RADAR
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Break it down for me please. Teach me. What's the exact math you used to get this equation? Just want to know so that next time someone asks me...."How much Test am I really getting with 316mgs of Test Cyp"? I'll know exactly what answer to give them.
This should cover it all for you my friend!
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/steroids-esters-686671.html
needtogetaas
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now I have to go and write a better one
RADAR
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Well, that hurt my damned head! And I am a rocket scientist!
So, if 250 mg of enanthate is actually only 180 mg of actual test, then if we wanted to say get 500mg of test a week, wouldn't you technically have to inject roughly 2.8 mg of enanthate assuming the dose is 250 mg/cc?
Seems to me that we should know this information to be more precise in our dosing because at 3 ccs of enanthate one would say that is 750 mg of test whereas it is really 540 mg. A much closer dose to what a decent cycle aims for.
This would also hold true then for the other compounds we typically use. In my case, I am using enanthate and eq (don't know what that ester is), but I am using 2cc's of 250 mg/cc test enanthate, which is actually 360 mg of test, not 500 mg and I am using 2cc's of eq 250mg/cc which would understandably be less than 500 mg total eq.
So, it would seem that we should be using this formula in working out our cycles as opposed to the standard way.
Yes?
No?
ArmaniAK47
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Here is an easy way I calculate it..
Cypionate and Enanthate products are about 30mgs, per 100mgs of ester..
So, 100mgs of Testosterone cypionate yields a total delivery of 70mgs of testosterone..
The active life of such a product is about 14 days.. so that 70mgs, over two weeks, will yield about 5mgs a day. (Saying that delivery is perfectly even.. Which we know is not exactly true.. but fine for calculation.)
100mgs of testosterone cypionate every week yields about 10mgs of testosterone per day, or a young man's high-natural levels.
SHORT ANSWER:
100mgs cypionate/enanthate (weekly) = 10mgs/day
200mgs = 20mgs/day
300mgs = 30mgs/day
etc.
Cypionate and Enanthate products are about 30mgs, per 100mgs of ester..
So, 100mgs of Testosterone cypionate yields a total delivery of 70mgs of testosterone..
The active life of such a product is about 14 days.. so that 70mgs, over two weeks, will yield about 5mgs a day. (Saying that delivery is perfectly even.. Which we know is not exactly true.. but fine for calculation.)
100mgs of testosterone cypionate every week yields about 10mgs of testosterone per day, or a young man's high-natural levels.
SHORT ANSWER:
100mgs cypionate/enanthate (weekly) = 10mgs/day
200mgs = 20mgs/day
300mgs = 30mgs/day
etc.
ArmaniAK47
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I think you are complicating things.. please look to my first post here. (That formula will work only for cypionate and enanthate)
Equipoise is a brand name for the compound boldenone undecylenate.. It's ester is even longer than Deca's ester..
Deca (using the 10-carbon Decanoate ester.. hence the name "Deca Durabolin") yields only 49mgs per 100mgs.. [or 7mgs per day, given 100mg injections weekly.]
As I said, the undecylenate ester is even longer.. I don't know how many mgs per 100mgs it yields, but it would be somewhere a little less than 49.
-ArmaniAK47
I know exactly what you are saying about complicating it.
In general most people don't need to be that precise. I was thinking out loud that if we go to the point of figuring out the actual dose of effective drug per cc why not be as precise in the actual dosing? If you think about it, 2cc's of test enanthate at 250mg/cc is not nearly as much as one would (being only around 340mg total test) think if you account for the ester molecule. Now this is where spreading the shots out over a week seems to come in as it allows the levels in the body to come to an equilibrium based on your dosing cycle. So if you wanted to maintain a certain test level at any given moment in your body over a period of time you could figure out how much you need of an esterfied testosterone in frequency and duration to do so. Of course, for most, it is easier to just say I am doing 500mg of test a week and 500 mg of eq a week instead of getting into the fine details. In the end I wonder how much of a difference it would make?
I used to do 1250 mg of test enanthate a week (6cc's) years back so in reality I was actually only getting 1080 mg of test e a week. (6x180mg) Of course this is the engineer in me.
I just use it at the advertised strength and don't worry about the differences. Maybe they would play a bigger role at lower doses vs the higher doses.
In general most people don't need to be that precise. I was thinking out loud that if we go to the point of figuring out the actual dose of effective drug per cc why not be as precise in the actual dosing? If you think about it, 2cc's of test enanthate at 250mg/cc is not nearly as much as one would (being only around 340mg total test) think if you account for the ester molecule. Now this is where spreading the shots out over a week seems to come in as it allows the levels in the body to come to an equilibrium based on your dosing cycle. So if you wanted to maintain a certain test level at any given moment in your body over a period of time you could figure out how much you need of an esterfied testosterone in frequency and duration to do so. Of course, for most, it is easier to just say I am doing 500mg of test a week and 500 mg of eq a week instead of getting into the fine details. In the end I wonder how much of a difference it would make?
I used to do 1250 mg of test enanthate a week (6cc's) years back so in reality I was actually only getting 1080 mg of test e a week. (6x180mg) Of course this is the engineer in me.
I just use it at the advertised strength and don't worry about the differences. Maybe they would play a bigger role at lower doses vs the higher doses.
needtogetaas
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just use test suspension man. then you are getting pure test mg for mg right there. Its what all the real men use
no i willGo ahead ,after you do i'll write one even better
calveless wonder
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Some of those estimations are correct as far as esters affecting how much test you are actually getting.
however, the question you are asking is irrelevant.
why?
Because what that test will do for you is entirely individual. Some people will have quite a bit of free test and 1000 ng/ml readings off that TRT dose. Others will have hardly any free test because your SHBG levels are extremely high. They might have to go with a higher dose.
if you really want to know the real answer to how far that dose will take you, you need full blood work done.
however, the question you are asking is irrelevant.
why?
Because what that test will do for you is entirely individual. Some people will have quite a bit of free test and 1000 ng/ml readings off that TRT dose. Others will have hardly any free test because your SHBG levels are extremely high. They might have to go with a higher dose.
if you really want to know the real answer to how far that dose will take you, you need full blood work done.
Ok, this is how it goes. My EX-Doc (dropped him like a mop because all he did was contradict himself all the time....no wonder why Ulter HATED him) had me taking 125mgs of Test Cyp every wednesday. Along with HCG at 300ius on Mondays and Tuesdays. Jack ass! All this did was jack up Estrogen, SHBG and Progesterone levels.
He wanted me to take HCG on Mondays and Tuesdays because he stated that by the 5th day (remember, my shots were on Wednesdays) is when Testosterone levels start to decline. So by adding in HCG on Mondays and Tuesdays, it would help spike my Test levels "until" I get my next shot boost of Test on Wednesday (the 7th day).
Anywhos! By doing this method of his (my dumb ex-doc). My test levels were at 875 and the reference range on the blood work said test.levels should be between 250-800. However! My E1, E2, progesterone and SHBG were all HIGH. All due to the HCG this dickhead had me taking.
I dropped the HCG for a few weeks. And my E1, E2, progesterone and SHBG began to drop. But my Test levels remained the same. Which means the HCG didn't help do JACK SHIT! All it did was more harm than good.
I want to increase my Test levels much higher so that I can get more muscle, harder and leaner. But it's just that every time I tend to go OVER 250mgs a week. My E levels go way HIGH!!! And as a result, my SHBG starts to go way HIGH as well. Which means I start to get bloated, fat, soft, moody, lose sex drive etc etc. Sure I can control all of this with anti-aroma. But what about my progesterone levels? Everytime I go OVER 250mgs of Test a week. My progesterone levels go THROUGH THE ROOF!!! And my primary physician (not this dick head doc I was speaking of earlier about) did tell me with HIGH progesterone levels, you decrease DHT conversion. And DHT is what makes us men be MEN! Without DHT, we get soft and weak and lose our minds and libido.
So my concerns are the following....
1- Should I keep injecting every 7th day? Or should I just take my shots every 5th day? Remember, doc did say that by the 5th day is when Test levels begin to decline little by little.
2- How the hell can I take more than 250mgs of Test a week WITHOUT increasing my progesterone levels?? Please! Please don't say to take dostinex! That is the stupidest I hear so many bros say! Dostinex ONLY lowers prolactin! Not progesterone! And I have blood work to confirm this stupidy that many bros say it does do. Just plain dumb!
He wanted me to take HCG on Mondays and Tuesdays because he stated that by the 5th day (remember, my shots were on Wednesdays) is when Testosterone levels start to decline. So by adding in HCG on Mondays and Tuesdays, it would help spike my Test levels "until" I get my next shot boost of Test on Wednesday (the 7th day).
Anywhos! By doing this method of his (my dumb ex-doc). My test levels were at 875 and the reference range on the blood work said test.levels should be between 250-800. However! My E1, E2, progesterone and SHBG were all HIGH. All due to the HCG this dickhead had me taking.
I dropped the HCG for a few weeks. And my E1, E2, progesterone and SHBG began to drop. But my Test levels remained the same. Which means the HCG didn't help do JACK SHIT! All it did was more harm than good.
I want to increase my Test levels much higher so that I can get more muscle, harder and leaner. But it's just that every time I tend to go OVER 250mgs a week. My E levels go way HIGH!!! And as a result, my SHBG starts to go way HIGH as well. Which means I start to get bloated, fat, soft, moody, lose sex drive etc etc. Sure I can control all of this with anti-aroma. But what about my progesterone levels? Everytime I go OVER 250mgs of Test a week. My progesterone levels go THROUGH THE ROOF!!! And my primary physician (not this dick head doc I was speaking of earlier about) did tell me with HIGH progesterone levels, you decrease DHT conversion. And DHT is what makes us men be MEN! Without DHT, we get soft and weak and lose our minds and libido.
So my concerns are the following....
1- Should I keep injecting every 7th day? Or should I just take my shots every 5th day? Remember, doc did say that by the 5th day is when Test levels begin to decline little by little.
2- How the hell can I take more than 250mgs of Test a week WITHOUT increasing my progesterone levels?? Please! Please don't say to take dostinex! That is the stupidest I hear so many bros say! Dostinex ONLY lowers prolactin! Not progesterone! And I have blood work to confirm this stupidy that many bros say it does do. Just plain dumb!
I use proviron
XMAN.
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first split ur dose and do it twice a week , every 3.5 days , for ex: Monday morning and Thursday evening , this way u'll get more stable levels of all sex hormones , no big spikes and valleys.
then if proviron is not controlling those estro. and prog. try adding some winny instead , like 1cc (50mg)per week split in 2 doses, 0.5cc twice a week (25mg each time with ur test shot) do that for a while like 8 weeks and switch back to proviron, this way it won't adapt to ur body.
bump
ghettostudmuffin
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Bro I would shoot 250mg sustanon once a week.
Between the 2 short esters and the 2 long esters you're gonna get insta test from the prop/phenyl prop and the 2 longer ester range from 9-10/14-17 days.
Using an aas calculator that shows you would be getting a peak of 57mgs free test on monday of week 6 with the levels decling to know less than 18mg on sunday.
So you'd have roughly 6x the normal level of test of a health male on monday and it gradually drops to double on sunday.
I actually ran this for a couple months once and it worked great. I never experienced any weird lows that some people say they get. Your levels flucuate, but they are always above normal range.
I didn't work out for the few months I did this and just did my physically active job and the last week of my final inject before coming off I went to the gym and I had maintained roughly 85% of my gym strength just from physical labor. I attribute this to having significantly higher than normal levels, but still not nearly as much as a typical cycle.
I also did not eat to gain and I was probably eating half the protein of when I consistently lift so I was pretty shocked to have retained most of my strength. I'm talking squat/bench and my job really didn't significantly develop those muscles.
I had a tiny bit of bloat and my blood pressure was a tad high, but at the time I didn't know about monitoring salt intake and I use to use an assload of salt daily.
I would bet a small dose of 25mg proviron ed with 1 sustanon 250 inject every week would have you looking and feeling good.
A more experienced bro might have a different opinion on this, but sustanon was actually designed for hrt at a dose schedule of once every 2 weeks I believe which technically would work, but about the middle of the second week your mgs per day of test would start getting pretty low like 4-6mg ed. The week of the sust shot would be great though.
Imo, that's why it's better to run it once a week.
If you are going to do hrt then I don't see anything wrong with running higher than normal levels of test. 1 sust a week is extremely moderate, but from a mgs pov is quite abit more than natural.
Between the 2 short esters and the 2 long esters you're gonna get insta test from the prop/phenyl prop and the 2 longer ester range from 9-10/14-17 days.
Using an aas calculator that shows you would be getting a peak of 57mgs free test on monday of week 6 with the levels decling to know less than 18mg on sunday.
So you'd have roughly 6x the normal level of test of a health male on monday and it gradually drops to double on sunday.
I actually ran this for a couple months once and it worked great. I never experienced any weird lows that some people say they get. Your levels flucuate, but they are always above normal range.
I didn't work out for the few months I did this and just did my physically active job and the last week of my final inject before coming off I went to the gym and I had maintained roughly 85% of my gym strength just from physical labor. I attribute this to having significantly higher than normal levels, but still not nearly as much as a typical cycle.
I also did not eat to gain and I was probably eating half the protein of when I consistently lift so I was pretty shocked to have retained most of my strength. I'm talking squat/bench and my job really didn't significantly develop those muscles.
I had a tiny bit of bloat and my blood pressure was a tad high, but at the time I didn't know about monitoring salt intake and I use to use an assload of salt daily.
I would bet a small dose of 25mg proviron ed with 1 sustanon 250 inject every week would have you looking and feeling good.
A more experienced bro might have a different opinion on this, but sustanon was actually designed for hrt at a dose schedule of once every 2 weeks I believe which technically would work, but about the middle of the second week your mgs per day of test would start getting pretty low like 4-6mg ed. The week of the sust shot would be great though.
Imo, that's why it's better to run it once a week.
If you are going to do hrt then I don't see anything wrong with running higher than normal levels of test. 1 sust a week is extremely moderate, but from a mgs pov is quite abit more than natural.
To put it simply, a mg of exogenous test is transferred to approximately 6 ngs of T. But there are lots of variables -- how well you convert it, if you're still producing natural test, and of course SHBG, which will decide how much stays bound.
So, unless you get a blood test, it's all speculative.
So, unless you get a blood test, it's all speculative.
Amen!
I'm bumping up my Test dose now to 400mgs (Test Cyp a week). Question is...how should I take it to keep stable blood levels? 200mgs every 3rd day? 4th day? 5th day? Or should I just take all 400 every 5 day?
Will add winny in the hopes that it will keep my progesterone down
XMAN.
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twice a week it's simpler , for ex: Monday morning & Thursday evening (200mg every 3.5 days)
