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How much cardio do YOU do during a clean bulk, and what type?

SPORT SCIENTIST said:
pintoca said:
You must spread some Karma around before giving it to SPORT SCIENTIST again.

Nice post dude. I reckon you are involved in this field more than in amateur level, right?

Well, I got a first in Sport and Exercise Science with Nutrition from the University of Westminster - had ambitions to be a Sports development Officer, working in a National Sports Development centre with top athletes.
Never really worked out - I took the easy life, working in a gym, whilst writing a few papers in my spare time - some published for Peak Performance magazine. I'm now in Thailand to adopt my stepson (Bon, 5) -my wife is Thai. I have another son too Isaac, 1 year 10 months.
I am now setting up a sport supplement company, and have quit a job teaching English. This means I have a lot of free time - I only discovered the site recently - it's nice to give people advice and use my science brain again!
-Well there's my life story for you!

p.s. ld - I looked for my paper and couldn't find it - 2 kids, things often get lost! - I'll have another look again tomorrow and post the extract - I'll be pissed if I can't find it, as I don't have a backup copy of it in Thailand.
good......maybe you can solve this.........my bro eats a decent size meal about 5 mins before he crashes at night due to his late training.......he then feels it's a MUST to do cardio first thing when he wakes to "burn" of the fat......I'm pretty sure his meal is a solid protein source (maybe a tub of cottage cheese, prob. 5-6 large handfulls of nuts and then washes it down with a thick casein shake...........is his insane?
 
JKurz1 said:
Nice posts..........when cutting, I do 40 mins fasted cardio at a moderate pace (65%) and it helps me to get down to 6-7%..........when bulking, I do 25 minutes fasted cardio on the elliptical, but more like HIIT........30 seconds heavy resit. sprints, followed by 30 sec light resistance for the entire 25 mins........then I do another 15 mins after my PM training..........this allows me to keep my bf under 11%........I do this everyday.........

HOWEVER, it's 90% diet...........

Your like me in the sense that even when you "bulk" you try and stay fairly lean?? Just curious to see how much you weigh and how many cals you take in when you run your bulking diet??
 
tzan said:
Your like me in the sense that even when you "bulk" you try and stay fairly lean?? Just curious to see how much you weigh and how many cals you take in when you run your bulking diet??
I;m about 190......never counted a calorie in my life........just know when to add and subtract.......
 
JKurz1 said:
I;m about 190......never counted a calorie in my life........just know when to add and subtract.......

Your lucky, it's a gift. If I don't have my shit completely mapped out I can't sleep. It's like a freakin disease I tell ya.
 
JKurz1 said:
Nice posts..........when cutting, I do 40 mins fasted cardio at a moderate pace (65%) and it helps me to get down to 6-7%..........when bulking, I do 25 minutes fasted cardio on the elliptical, but more like HIIT........30 seconds heavy resit. sprints, followed by 30 sec light resistance for the entire 25 mins........then I do another 15 mins after my PM training..........this allows me to keep my bf under 11%........I do this everyday.........

Dude, that's a lot of cardio you do when trying to bulk. I'm assuming you're not an ectomorph (otherwise you wouldn't be able to bulk while doing so much cardio), so are you more of a meso or an endo?
 
tzan said:
Your lucky, it's a gift. If I don't have my shit completely mapped out I can't sleep. It's like a freakin disease I tell ya.

I know the feeling... I'm sure you have a trusty set of digital scales in the kitchen as well?
 
JKurz1 said:
good......maybe you can solve this.........my bro eats a decent size meal about 5 mins before he crashes at night due to his late training.......he then feels it's a MUST to do cardio first thing when he wakes to "burn" of the fat......I'm pretty sure his meal is a solid protein source (maybe a tub of cottage cheese, prob. 5-6 large handfulls of nuts and then washes it down with a thick casein shake...........is his insane?

Does he foam at the mouth?
 
Sounds like an interesting study. Posting the data would be appreciated


I finally found my work! - so I thought I may as well post it, just in case you check this thread again. Here is an extract from my paper (I have also included info on a 4 minute interval, with 1.5mins rest, as that was also shown to be highly effective at improving fitness - they were the 2 most efective out of the 5 interval training schedules that were analysed)

S4:
Training for longer intervals produces significant amounts of lactic acid, streassing the anaerobic pathways. Stroke volume is increased, with improved muscular development and economy (Hill 1993). Similar to LIN, this type of training elicits the ability to sustain high steady state power output, with increased power output at lactate threshold. An improvement in resistance to fatigue at race pace is promoted, with a development in the ability to tolerate lactate and buffer hydrogen ions. In addition, by exercising at approximately race pace, neuromuscular recruitment is improved over the specific power output (Jeukendrup 2003)

S30
Training for shorter intervals, does not significantly invoke lactic acid build up, with the ATP PCR system being heavily relied upon. Fast twitch muscle development is enhanced, with a development in neurological recruitment (Hill 1993). In the original study by Stepko, work bouts lasting 30 seconds were not expected to improve performance, as the anaerobic nature of the work was not seen as specific to the entirely anaerobic nature of a 40k time trial (Stepko 2002).
This paradox was resolved in a study by Rodas et al. who revealed that similar high intensity training prograns raised the activity of oxidative enzymes within the muscle. Rodaset al. obseved aerobic and anaerobic metabolism in active males following a short training program, involving 2 weeks of daily high intensity interval training , of which work bouts were set at two 15 second all out bouts separated by 45 seconds of rest (Rodas et al. 2000). This was proceeded by two 30 second all-out sprint work bouts, separated by 12 minutes of rest. An extra interval was added every 2 weeks, building to seven 15 second bouts and seven 30 second bouts. Tellingly, substantial increases in the activity of citrate synthase (+38%) and 3-hydroxyacyl-CoA dehydrogenase (+60%) were noted.[/B]
Changes in oxidative enzyme activity could be responsible for increased fat oxidation, with a consequential reduction in carbohydrate oxidation. It is surmised that endurance performance could be improved by implementing short duration, high intensity intervals, by way the means of a resultant fall in hydrogen ion accumulation (Hawley et al. 1997). Sprint training has been demonstrated to show a greater efect on the glycolytic capacity, than on muscle mitachondrial content, thus raising glyco(geno)lytic related enzymes, whilst improving the sarcolemma lactate transport capacity (Kubukeli et al. 2002).
 
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