How many have Heart Problems?

[hulk0427]

I know there is alot of garbage that the media has on how dangerous roids are and stuff.

I was wondering how many, know that the heart problems they have are related to steroid usage?

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

the only heart problem i can even think of is maybe cardiomeglagey. Enlarged heart due to it being a muscle and while juicing it may grom. I may be wrong on this. Oh yea and the increase in cholesterol can contirbute to heart disease but so does diet, activity and all that shit.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I've had 3 catheter ablation proceedures to cure my A-Fib/Flutter. It's not related to gear. Actually in my case (like 50% of other A-Fibbers) there is no known cause. Tony Blair (British Prime Minister), and Mario Lemeux (hockey legend) also share this condition.
If you have a heart arythmia, see a doctor and avoid all stimulents and all hormones until the problem is cured.
I also have a moderately enlarged heart (just inside the normal healthy range) (I forget which side of the heart, but not the entire heart) which was attributed to lifting weights.
What I looked like in June 2007, 13 months after my last heart proceedure: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=63hq3go
I was 44 years old, and 6'6" 320lbs with 20.5" and 20.75" pumped guns. Life IS worth living - Praise JESUS!

 

[Tatyana]

Other possible side effects from steroids, which are risk factors for MI (myocardial infarction), that is heart attack to you and me....................

MI = arteries supplying the heart get all bunged up with plaques (from cholesterol and WBCs, etc), and the heart does not get enough blood and a bit of it can die

-High blood pressure from some steroids (I a sure some of the lads can tell you which one have a greater tendency to do this)

-Changes to the lipid profile, like an increase in the 'bad' cholesterol LDL (low density lipoprotein),which is the one that is oxidised by free radicals and is theorised to kick start plaque formation.

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[BigCracker]

I have a broken heart. Fuckin' bitches!

 

[nemesis 2027]

Not yet, but I was working on it. Just wanted to try an oral d.bol cycle to see how I'd respond, and my bp went through the roof. Heart palpitations, constant headaches, and worried my heart (blood vessels) would suffer long or short term from pushing it compared to the benefits gained. So after one week I am backing off at this point and trying something else.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...-pressure-high-oral-how-about-you-562807.html

I would have liked to see other's readings of bp, although that wouldn't change my issue with it.

 

[BigCracker]

One time someone told me that you don't see too many huge guys 70+ yrs old. After some thought I realized that this was true. Research has shown that thinner men tend to have longer lifespans than bigger men, but I can't help but wonder if this only applies to bigger, fatter, guys and not necessarily bigger, muscular guys? If the heart has to work harder due to more bodyweight, it does kinda makes sense that it would take a shit sooner. Anyone have thoughts on this?

I think it's time for me to dump that 20lbs I've been putting off. When I do, I'll have a whole new winter wardrobe hanging in my closet to wear, price tags still intact. Then I'll bring my fat body clothes from last December until now to the goodwill so gaining it back won't be an option. I'm tired of being a man of many different bodies anyway. The extreme weight fluctuation from contest weight to off season offensive linemen weight has gotta stop sometime. I hate when random people stop asking me if I compete in bodybuilding and I start getting asked what football team that I play for. When I start hearing that shit I feel like I look like a total lard ass.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Good Luck Big Cracker.
I think your right. The heart of a 300 lb man has to work harder even if it's muscle.
When I was sick I dropped down to 270, and people kept asking if I quit working out. I hadn't, and that was tough to take. I'm back to 300 + and am loving life. It might not be my smartest option but you have to factor in quality of life issues in what ever health plans you devise.

 

[ukkared]

I have a broken heart. Fuckin' bitches!

Preachin to the choir there. But in all seriousness I have had a Heart murmur all my life (three tiny holes in my heart near the valves). To this date I have had not problems of them enlarging due to my gear usage. I would be concerned about using Hgh though because from everything I have read it will cause every muscle to grow including your heart.

 

[Tatyana]

One time someone told me that you don't see too many huge guys 70+ yrs old. After some thought I realized that this was true. Research has shown that thinner men tend to have longer lifespans than bigger men, but I can't help but wonder if this only applies to bigger, fatter, guys and not necessarily bigger, muscular guys? If the heart has to work harder due to more bodyweight, it does kinda makes sense that it would take a shit sooner. Anyone have thoughts on this?

I think it's time for me to dump that 20lbs I've been putting off. When I do, I'll have a whole new winter wardrobe hanging in my closet to wear, price tags still intact. Then I'll bring my fat body clothes from last December until now to the goodwill so gaining it back won't be an option. I'm tired of being a man of many different bodies anyway. The extreme weight fluctuation from contest weight to off season offensive linemen weight has gotta stop sometime. I hate when random people stop asking me if I compete in bodybuilding and I start getting asked what football team that I play for. When I start hearing that shit I feel like I look like a total lard ass.

You don't see big guys (that regularly) over 70 because

1. Without training, people start to lose muscle tissue, in fact, by the age of 60 or 70, most men have lost 50% of their muscle mass

2. The only thing KNOWN to increase longevity, at least in small mammals, is reduced calorie intake. It is thought the same would apply in humans, however, the calorie reduction is quite SEVERE, and who would want to live that way

Are you competing in BBing?

I have the same thing about getting too FAT off season (looks better on girls though usually )

The weight up and down thing is NOT a good idea, your skin will hate you later, actually, you might hate your skin

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[10001110101]

2 things, muscle weight is harder on your heart than fat weight, think about all those veins and arteries that expand to feed all that active tissue 24/7, fat has much less vascular piping going through it and puts less of a load on the heart in a pound for pound sense.

throw steroids in, if you are way past your normal size limit for muscle (carrying more on your frame than would be natural possible without steroids) you're really giving your heart more than it was meant to handle.

bad cholesterol numbers (low HDL, high LDL) leads to higher risk for stroke and heart attack as it forms plaque in your arteries.

compare humans to dogs, great danes live an average of 8-10 years if healthy, this is because they have been bred to be continually larger and larger and the heart although it is large, cannot handle the stress of supporting that size of an animal for as long and gives out at a younger age. medium size dogs generally live 15 years or so.

the same issue arises with people who have pituitary tumors who release excessive amounts of HGH and are essentially giants (acromegaly) often they die at a very young age (under 30). bao xishun of china lived to be 56, which is a very long time for someone who is 7ft 8in tall.

this does not mean steroids are entirely to blame, but they certainly increase the risk factors, the bottom line is, the harder your heart works for the longer period the sooner it will give you problems and stop working properly.

they've shown that many athletes especially powerlifters, are prone to the same cardiovascular problems as steroid users, but they are just more prevalent in steroid users.

as for old people, most old people can't maintain size after a certain age, so if you are a huge guy who does make it to 70, you won't be the same huge guy you were at 35, simply because your body begins to deteriorate in every way imaginable. your anabolic hormones are drastically reduced (test, hgh, igf, etc) and your bones and joints begin to deteriorate causing muscular atrophy as well as diminished stature.

if you wanna live a very long time, eat healthy, watch your blood pressure and cholesterol, and don't get TOO big.

then again you could get hit by a bus tomorrow, in which case my money's on the big guy.

 

[Tweakle]

The only thing KNOWN to increase longevity, at least in small mammals, is reduced calorie intake. It is thought the same would apply in humans, however, the calorie reduction is quite SEVERE, and who would want to live that way

I hate reading that nonsense. You know it actually prompted old people to starve themselves even more when it was released as media-science.. the reality is that the low cal diets shut off the mices sex drive so they didn't have any stress from sex hormones/desire to mate which in turn prolonged their miserable no-sex having lives a little longer.

I'm not sure I'd want to be a shrivveled up old prune of a senior, genetically most of us are unlikely to make it that far in perfect health so to intentionally hobble yourself by losing muscle mass to prolong your life.. the government is going to do it's damn best to make sure none of us get to extend our quality of life with g h and a a s anyway :s

 

[DJ_UFO]

direct connection of steroids and heart failure has never been medically proven. The deaths we've seen lately on the news are from chemically intoxicated people. i.e., wrestlers. They abuse high doses of steroids for maximum gains, they drink and party like animals, they use rec drugs, then they can't sleep due to too much stress on the body so they take sleeping pills, they go to the ring with over dose of pain drugs, they eat unhealthy foods, they get stressed with so much unhealthy life so they abuse anti depressants, etc...there is no heart in this world that can support such a punishment.

 

[BigCracker]

You don't see big guys (that regularly) over 70 because

1. Without training, people start to lose muscle tissue, in fact, by the age of 60 or 70, most men have lost 50% of their muscle mass

2. The only thing KNOWN to increase longevity, at least in small mammals, is reduced calorie intake. It is thought the same would apply in humans, however, the calorie reduction is quite SEVERE, and who would want to live that way

Are you competing in BBing?

I have the same thing about getting too FAT off season (looks better on girls though usually )

The weight up and down thing is NOT a good idea, your skin will hate you later, actually, you might hate your skin

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I'm not sure on the competing thing. Right now I say no but that could change. After seeing the 40+ Masters Division at the USA I think I could get my pro card no prob in a couple years time. I already have city, state, and regional titles at 235lbs as a hwt before the super hwt class was introduced. I'll make this decision over the next couple of years so I don't really wanna shrink too much yet.

Also, in reference to the low cal diet thing I have a question. OK, let's say there are 2 of me. One of me goes low cal and gets down to 225lbs from my current 280lbs. The other me holds on to my 280lbs. If both of me were to consume equal amounts of strychnine, which of me would be more likely to die? The 280 lb me or the 225 lbs me??? My point being, wouldn't having a higher amount of lean tissue be advantageous when it comes to being resistant to infection or afflicted with a potentially fatal illness or terminal disease? Just like it takes more beer to get me drunk than a 105 lb girl, wouldn't a smaller person be more affected by toxins than I would causing their lifespan to be shorter than mine???

 

[holy ghost]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...ects-test-heart-article-good-read-563159.html

read that thread

 

[biteme]

This has always been my suspicion. I had an inkling that large muscle mass is harder on the heart than the same amount in fat weight.

2 things, muscle weight is harder on your heart than fat weight, think about all those veins and arteries that expand to feed all that active tissue 24/7, fat has much less vascular piping going through it and puts less of a load on the heart in a pound for pound sense.

throw steroids in, if you are way past your normal size limit for muscle (carrying more on your frame than would be natural possible without steroids) you're really giving your heart more than it was meant to handle.

bad cholesterol numbers (low HDL, high LDL) leads to higher risk for stroke and heart attack as it forms plaque in your arteries.

compare humans to dogs, great danes live an average of 8-10 years if healthy, this is because they have been bred to be continually larger and larger and the heart although it is large, cannot handle the stress of supporting that size of an animal for as long and gives out at a younger age. medium size dogs generally live 15 years or so.

the same issue arises with people who have pituitary tumors who release excessive amounts of human growth hormone - somatropin - and are essentially giants (acromegaly) often they die at a very young age (under 30). bao xishun of china lived to be 56, which is a very long time for someone who is 7ft 8in tall.

this does not mean steroids are entirely to blame, but they certainly increase the risk factors, the bottom line is, the harder your heart works for the longer period the sooner it will give you problems and stop working properly.

they've shown that many athletes especially powerlifters, are prone to the same cardiovascular problems as steroid users, but they are just more prevalent in steroid users.

as for old people, most old people can't maintain size after a certain age, so if you are a huge guy who does make it to 70, you won't be the same huge guy you were at 35, simply because your body begins to deteriorate in every way imaginable. your anabolic hormones are drastically reduced (test, human growth hormone - somatropin - , igf, etc) and your bones and joints begin to deteriorate causing muscular atrophy as well as diminished stature.

if you wanna live a very long time, eat healthy, watch your blood pressure and cholesterol, and don't get TOO big.

then again you could get hit by a bus tomorrow, in which case my money's on the big guy.