how long to see strength gains on winny

[Tatyana]

running 50mg ed of oral winny, and im prob around 14%bf in the midsection. but my arms are like 11% bf and no signs of vasc

you are not lean enough to be vascular.

14% around the mid section is 'fat' for a BBer who wants to have the BBing look of lean and vascular.


No offense hun, but these drugs are not going to do it for you.


Vascularity is also partially genetic, some people do not have veins near the surface of the muscle and will never be highly vascular.

I think some of you are a bit confused about comp condition that you see on the IFBB pros.

They are genetic freaks, most of you may look good, but genetic freaks you are not.

The paper thin skin thing is the result of water and salt manipulation and it doesn't last all that long.

I am thinking that there is some very unrealistic expectation of what steroids can do in this thread.

 

[lilj888]

dude yeah at 14% bf you won't notice any leaning out effects from winny, maybe some increased vascularity in forearms, but it's nothing like dbol

dbol you'll see the weight move up every time you hit the same rotation in the gym.

winstrol is kind of a crap drug imo, i hate the joint sides with it, it is a good complement to test b/c it controls the bloat.

honestly man you seem like you wanna run something like

dbol/test/eq cycle, you seem like you've run like 3 short oral cycles at this point and been disappointed by all of them.

seriously you should just start taking higher dosages of mass builders if you want those massive JUICED up gains.

test 500mg/wk eq 600mg/wk dbol 35mg/day (wk1-4) 12 wks.

that will give you the gains i think u've been looking for all along. i think we all like the IDEA of winstrol and var when we start out (leaning out getting shredded) but in reality the effect isn't noticeable unless you're already 90% there and you need that little extra bit of tightness/hardness/vascularity or you're an athlete and need good endurance and lower weight gain

im on test right now