How effective is Clomid alone for pct?

[anabolic12]

you can use Clomid by itself but that wouldn't bring your balls back to size;HCG will do that. Any Succesful PCT should include besides Clomid, HCG and an AI (eg Aromasin)

Reference:
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/anthony-roberts/post-cycle-therapy.htm

Not trying to still you thunder, but it will bring your balls back by just using clomid. Hell, 5 years ago it was just clomid..

 

[blut wump]

I think Ulter was making a semi-serious funny.

pctcalculator has Deca half-life down as 9 days. A lot probably depends too on bodyfat levels since it's reputed to re-esterify quite easily in the chubbies amongst us. Also, injection site can have an effect on effective half-life.

I think it's sensible to adjust the basic six days upwards for PCT considerations.

Organon has it at 6 days.
http://organon.ca/authfiles/Images/278_152597.pdf (PDF file)

Also this from PubMed has Deca at six days:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3865478&dopt=Abstract

Nandrolone decanoate (Deca-Durabolin) was injected intramuscularly into healthy volunteers. One group of females received one injection of 100 mg and three groups of males received one injection of 200 mg, two repeat injections of 100 mg or four repeat injections of 50 mg respectively. The serum levels of nandrolone (19-nortestosterone) were determined by radioimmunoassay and used to estimate pharmacokinetic parameters. The following pharmacokinetic parameters were found: a mean half-life of 6 days for the release of the ester from the muscular injection depot into the general circulation; a mean half-life of 4.3 h for the combined processes of hydrolysis of nandrolone decanoate and of distribution and elimination of nandrolone; a mean nandrolone serum clearance of 1.55 1 X h-1 X kg-1. The half-life of hydrolysis of nandrolone decanoate in serum was of the order of one hour or less. The data are consistent with linear kinetics.

 

[blut wump]

BTW with a ten-day half-life, you'd want to leave around 10 weeks to clear from a weekly dose of 600mg.

Of course, it'll still be detectable for many months to come. Not for nothing is it recommended to run your test for a good month beyond the end of your Deca.

 

[glassman21]

No....retry the simple math, bro!

OOps! I meant 10cc water in 10,000iu powder = 1000iu per cc.

 

[jagerbombme]

ok bro, all the arguing aside. avoid the nolva for safety sake as you already said you will. take this very serious what i say. i just fucking shut myself down harder than my 11 week cycle of test at 500mg per week. hcg shut me down without clomid. i ran hcg alone with aromasin. my balls shrunk up like my 1 year old boys ball bag. i had no libido, couldn't get it hard if i tried. now. i got some clomid and started taking that and doing low dose hcg. it worked. dropped them down right away. the only thing im recommending to you since you have both is stop the hcg 2-3 weeks before you stop the clomid and AI. otherwise your chancing complete shutdown. my balls barely shrunk on my cycle, first cycle ever that is, which is why im learning the hard way, but good bros have explained this to me and the clomid with hcg turned me back on like flipping a fucking lightswitch.

i also will make a recommendation while im here. aromasin imo sucks, i was using aifm on the cycle and had no probs. well then i had a allergic reaction to it for some reason when i started using it on my feet. i stopped using it. i got pain in my left breast and lumps in there i could feel. aromasin WITH LETRO didn't do a fucking thing, it stopped it in it's tracks but i decided when i got shutdown to try aifm again and just use it only on my hands, wrists w/e, fuck, the lumps actually started shrinking the FIRST FUCKING DAY. although still shutdown, i got some immediate, i mean within 24 hours, libido back. You can ask mac how pissed I was when it happened, but this is why i never flamed aifm on the board because i knew it worked the whole time. And now that I've used other AI's I realize that AIFM is the best shit out there. So, good luck bro. My next cycle is test and nandralone PP . I can't wait.

 

[glassman21]

BTW with a ten-day half-life, you'd want to leave around 10 weeks to clear from a weekly dose of 600mg.

Of course, it'll still be detectable for many months to come. Not for nothing is it recommended to run your test for a good month beyond the end of your Deca.

Are you saying you should run test for a month after Deca? I quit running them both at the same time. What is the best injection site for HCG? To comment at once on alot of comments I have read since last night on this subject, Clomid does make me feel sensitive and actually a little weird but I know it is the clomid so I deal with it. Both my buddies are old school and have always used clomid only even after a sust/deca cycle and have done great. I got my gear from a legal source...had blood work done and paid out the ass for my shit because i did it legally. With that being said I have had specific instructions from a doctor on the dosages and recommended times to take each prescription but felt as if they were really interested more in selling me alot of shit over caring about my results. First off he told me to start out on week one with 500 mg sust and 600 mg of deca, The deca was 300mg. Most people have never even heard of deca coming in 300mg. Of course it cost alot more than the 200mg but.......I was instructed to do that dosage for ten weeks until I ran out. I didn't do that . I started with 250 mg sust and 200 mg deca the first few weeks and then went up to the recommended dosages the weeks following. Now he is telling me to do 3000 iu's of HCG the first day then 2000 iu's every other for 2 weeks which I also think is extreme and again geared more towards his desire to sell me more shit. I've heard you guys talking alot about Nolva. I am taking arimidex because of the same reasons most of you have said not to take nolva with deca. No harm in being safe. The arimidex has done fine. No sign of gyno whatsoever. I gained 18 lbs and lost 4% body fat so i feel like it was a success. Now i just want to be sure I take the HCG correctly.

 

[jagerbombme]

Are you saying you should run test for a month after Deca? I quit running them both at the same time. What is the best injection site for HCG? To comment at once on alot of comments I have read since last night on this subject, Clomid does make me feel sensitive and actually a little weird but I know it is the clomid so I deal with it. Both my buddies are old school and have always used clomid only even after a sust/deca cycle and have done great. I got my gear from a legal source...had blood work done and paid out the ass for my shit because i did it legally. With that being said I have had specific instructions from a doctor on the dosages and recommended times to take each prescription but felt as if they were really interested more in selling me alot of shit over caring about my results. First off he told me to start out on week one with 500 mg sust and 600 mg of deca, The deca was 300mg. Most people have never even heard of deca coming in 300mg. Of course it cost alot more than the 200mg but.......I was instructed to do that dosage for ten weeks until I ran out. I didn't do that . I started with 250 mg sust and 200 mg deca the first few weeks and then went up to the recommended dosages the weeks following. Now he is telling me to do 3000 iu's of HCG the first day then 2000 iu's every other for 2 weeks which I also think is extreme and again geared more towards his desire to sell me more shit. I've heard you guys talking alot about Nolva. I am taking arimidex because of the same reasons most of you have said not to take nolva with deca. No harm in being safe. The arimidex has done fine. No sign of gyno whatsoever. I gained 18 lbs and lost 4% body fat so i feel like it was a success. Now i just want to be sure I take the HCG correctly.

omylord, that is way to much hcg bro. 250iu ed for 10 days or 500iu for 10 days is most likely suffiicient

 

[glassman21]

ok bro, all the arguing aside. avoid the nolva for safety sake as you already said you will. take this very serious what i say. i just fucking shut myself down harder than my 11 week cycle of test at 500mg per week. hcg shut me down without clomid. i ran hcg alone with aromasin. my balls shrunk up like my 1 year old boys ball bag. i had no libido, couldn't get it hard if i tried. now. i got some clomid and started taking that and doing low dose hcg. it worked. dropped them down right away. the only thing im recommending to you since you have both is stop the hcg 2-3 weeks before you stop the clomid and AI. otherwise your chancing complete shutdown. my balls barely shrunk on my cycle, first cycle ever that is, which is why im learning the hard way, but good bros have explained this to me and the clomid with hcg turned me back on like flipping a fucking lightswitch.

i also will make a recommendation while im here. aromasin imo sucks, i was using aifm on the cycle and had no probs. well then i had a allergic reaction to it for some reason when i started using it on my feet. i stopped using it. i got pain in my left breast and lumps in there i could feel. aromasin WITH LETRO didn't do a fucking thing, it stopped it in it's tracks but i decided when i got shutdown to try aifm again and just use it only on my hands, wrists w/e, fuck, the lumps actually started shrinking the FIRST FUCKING DAY. although still shutdown, i got some immediate, i mean within 24 hours, libido back. You can ask mac how pissed I was when it happened, but this is why i never flamed aifm on the board because i knew it worked the whole time. And now that I've used other AI's I realize that AIFM is the best shit out there. So, good luck bro. My next cycle is test and nandralone PP . I can't wait.

Okay. this just confused the hell out of me. I was just feeling better about taking the HCG when you said it shut you down. I have never heard of HCG shutting anyone down or it even being a posibility. I only have 5 clomid left which is definitely not enough to last me a week longer than the HCG. In fact I wouldn't even have any clonid left for the second week. I have 7 arimidex. I was going to do 1500iu's HCG twice a week for two weeks with 1/2mg of arimidex every other day but will only have clomid to last the first week every day. The second week i will be out of clomid. I have been on clomid without anything for a week 2 weeks now. What is the consensus here guys? Take the fuckin HCG or skip it this time and take only clomid. I sure as hell don't want to shut myself down on this shit.

 

[glassman21]

omylord, that is way to much hcg bro. 250iu ed for 10 days or 500iu for 10 days is most likely suffiicient

Yeah, I know. Did you read the part that said I didn't trust his advice and thought he was more concerned with selling me shit? What I am really looking for is some advise from someone who has alot of experience and expertise on the subject or from someone who has successfully done a sust/deca cycle and clomid only pct.

 

[jagerbombme]

Okay. this just confused the hell out of me. I was just feeling better about taking the HCG when you said it shut you down. I have never heard of HCG shutting anyone down or it even being a posibility. I only have 5 clomid left which is definitely not enough to last me a week longer than the HCG. In fact I wouldn't even have any clonid left for the second week. I have 7 arimidex. I was going to do 1500iu's HCG twice a week for two weeks with 1/2mg of arimidex every other day but will only have clomid to last the first week every day. The second week i will be out of clomid. I have been on clomid without anything for a week 2 weeks now. What is the consensus here guys? Take the fuckin HCG or skip it this time and take only clomid. I sure as hell don't want to shut myself down on this shit.

if you run the hcg longer than the clomid you'll be introuble. don't even use the hcg then. get more clomid. i will pm you bro