How effective is Clomid alone for pct?

[AhMadKooL]

Here is why you need clomid period. Clomid starts the whole chain of events, which means it will bring your balls back. HCG will bring your balls back right now where clomid could take a little bit, but, hcg alone will not help you. you need clomid to get your glands working again as hcg will shut them down. read this. it's true. it happened to me, and it happened to my buddy who just tried hcg only pct. he finished his cycle after me, so he just finished his hcg 4 days ago and couldn't nut on his woman last night. i couldn't get it hard for a week and had no desire and was so tired. then even watching porn i was slapping it like comon.

started clomid and hcg together, 250iu of hcg, 50mg of clomid, by the second day, my balls were back, for the second time, and i had libido again. took 500iu more of hcg and that's all i need cause my balls are back and big and bouncing around, so, clomid for another month will make sure they stay that way. my muscles also seemed to get very flat that week, i thought i was loosing everything, now that everythings working again, i see i didn't lose anything really, it was a week only, but without the clomid i sure woudl have.

bottom line, my balls shrunk a tiny tiny bit from my cycle, they started coming back before i started hcg.

no pct is better than hcg only pct
clomid only will help bring you back
clomid with hcg is good. stop hcg 3 weeks before stopping clomid

this is from experience now, im not just saying someone elses shit



The downside is that HCG too is suppressive of natural testosterone. Because it takes the place of LH. LH is not the first step in the chain of command, instead its manufactured in the pituitary under the response of Gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) which is secreted from the hypothalamus. And since an LH mimicking agent is supplied exogenously, the negative feedback signal to the hypothalamus will still tell it to stop making GnRH, and so no natural LH is produced. This is why the product is always used in conjunction with a potent estrogen receptor antagonist like clomid or Nolvadex. When the androgen level in the body has dropped, these antagonists will lower estrogenic response creating a steroid deficit that signals the Hypothalamus to start making GnRH. When it does, after HCG therapy, testicle size is up again and shortly thereafter natural testosterone manufacture should return to normal. But therefore its crucial that users note that though HCG is essential after long cycles, it shouldn't be used without clomid or Nolvadex AND HCG should be discontinued at least two weeks before coming off Clomid or Nolvadex or else it will suppress natural testosterone itself.

Bro no offence, but PCT can be done without clomid; This is according to steroid guru Anthony Roberts: (Check out the bottom of this link)
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/anthony-roberts/post-cycle-therapy.htm

It says:
"With this PCT, there will be a rapid increase in LH, FSH, and testosterone, as well as almost a complete block on all the factors that could be causing your natural hormones to be delayed in returning to baseline. For this reason, I feel that the second your cycle is over is when you should start this PCT (a week after your last shot, or the day after your last pill is fine). Remember, waiting for some of the extra androgens you’ve been taking to leave your body is nonsensical, as we want to start recovery as soon as possible to retain maximum gains. There is no evidence to suggest waiting any length of time after your cycle is over will increase PCT effectiveness…it simply prolongs the time you aren’t doing anything positive to regain your natural hormones. And how long do we run this for? Well…we need to stop the HCG relatively soon for reasons discussed earlier. But the Nolvadex, and Aromasin can be used for awhile longer. Ideally, we’d be getting weekly blood work, but we could also get it done monthly, and just running this PCT until we see our natural hormones restored…but weekly bloodwork isn’t really an option for most of us. Failing the option of monitoring recovery with blood-work, I’m going to give you my best thoughts on the time you should be running your PCT. It’s important to note I haven’t discussed nutrition or other compounds that may be beneficial…this is because in this article, I am primarily concerned with the restoration of hormonal function, nothing else. And with no further delays, here are my recommendations for PCT:

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 1,000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 1,000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 1,000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20mgs/day
5 20mgs/day
6 20mgs/day
"

 

[acneman]

Bro no offence, but PCT can be done without clomid; This is according to steroid guru Bill Rober
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absolutely

stimulate testes = hcg
prevent aromatization (why? see next line)=aromasin
prevent excess estrogen from shutting down tes prod = nolva

all pct aims for
stimulate testes
block estrogen to prevent testes shutdown
there is a progesterone issue in here somewhere but if you let those drugs clear system go with above

 

[jagerbombme]

i agree with that, your using nolvadex which can replace clomid. you need one or the other apparently though. not just hcg with aromasin or hcg with aifm. you'll be fucked as i was and as my buddy is. im sorry i wasn't clear on that point. no offense taken bro

hehe, just trying to help, but just running hcg and an aromasin or aifm your fucked

need hcg and nolva and or clomid