How do you break down to 250iu of HCG during a cycle?

[deep84]

First get you some bacteriostatic water. Mix 1mL in with your 5000iu vial and inject it in to an empty sealed sterile vial. Next draw 4mL of you B water out and inject into the vial. Swirl it around. The 25 mark should be 250ius and the 50 or half a mL should be 500ius. Basically you want a quarter of a Ml.

can i use 3 cc BAC water in 1500 iu hcg to get 6 shots of 250 iu...that will be 0.5 ml per shot

 

[d_rson]

There is a reason that hCG comes in vials of 5000 iu. That's the correct dosage!!! All the BS on line about doing 250 to 500 iu is crap. It was started by a guy that has a clinic called "All Things Male" He clams to be a leader in the field but has no articles published at all. He made some posts on-line with this bull shit way to use hCG and all it does is keep people coming back to his clinic.

If you put a little time into reading articles on pub med you will find out that nobody in the medical community follows this guys ideas.

Here is an article from pubmed where they studied normal men that had been shutdown from testosterone injection:

Follicle-stimulating hormone and human spermatogenesis.
Bremner WJ, Matsumoto AM, Sussman AM, Paulsen CA.

The role of follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) in the control of spermatogenesis is not well established in any species, including man. We studied the effect of an experimentally-induced, selective FSH deficiency on sperm production in normal men. After a 3-mo control period, five normal men received testosterone enanthate (T) 200 mg i. m. weekly to suppress luteinizing hormone (LH) and FSH, until three successive sperm counts revealed azoospermia or severe oligospermia (sperm counts <3 million/ml). Then, while continuing T, human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) 5,000 IU i. m. three times weekly was administered simultaneously to replace LH activity, leaving FSH activity suppressed. The effect of the selective FSH deficiency produced by hCG plus T administration on sperm production was determined.Sperm counts (performed twice monthly throughout the study) were markedly suppressed during T administration alone (1.0+/-1.0 million/ml mean+/-SE, compared with 106+/-28 million/ml during the control period, P < 0.001). With the addition of hCG to T, sperm counts returned toward normal (46+/-16 million/ml, P < 0.001 compared with T alone). In two subjects, sperm counts during hCG plus T returned into the individual's control range. Sperm motility and morphology were consistently normal in all men during hCG plus T.Serum FSH levels by RIA were normal (110+/-10 ng/ml) in the control period and were suppressed to undetectable levels (<25 ng/ml) in the T alone and hCG plus T periods. Urinary FSH excretion was markedly suppressed in the T alone (60+/-15 mIU/h-2nd IRP, P < 0.01) and hCG plus T (37+/-9 mIU/h, P < 0.01) periods compared with the control period (334+/-78 mIU/h).We conclude that spermatogenesis as assessed by sperm counts, motilities, and morphologies may be reinitiated and maintained at normal levels in men with undetectable blood FSH levels and urinary excretion of FSH less than that of prepubertal children. This conclusion implies that, although FSH may exert effects on human testicular function, maintenance of normal spermatogenesis and reinitiation of sperm production after short-term suppression by exogenous steroids can occur in spite of nearly absent FSH stimulation.

PMID: 6793629 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



Please notice that these guy where only on 200mg per week of test enanthate. And they got 5000 iu THREE TIMES A WEEK of hCG. Even at this level only two of the subjects returned to normal sperm count levels. The rest only got close. So it takes 15000 iu per week to get most men close to normal. What do you think 250iu will do?? Nothing is the correct answer.

This pubmed ariticle should be made a sticky because it directly relates to guys that are shutdown from testosterone use. You can find this article yourself by going to pubmed:PubMed Home
and inputing this number 6793629.

This is if you are shutdown (<3 million is shutdown HARD!), which would equate to Post Cycle style treatment (where use of much higher quantities of HCG are needed).

 

[d_rson]

It also assumes that 5000ui is needed. It's possible that 1000ui's would have produced the same or similiar results. The question would be where are the studies that show that 250-500ui twice a week a few weeks into a test run and to the end DOESN'T work. Showing that 5000ui's works at the end of 12 weeks doesn't prove 250-500ui during doesn't...I know it worked for me!