How do carbs make u FAT??????

[SonnyBlack]

Do u bros know if carbs make you fat by themselves oor only when combined with fat???Wat about if u have a diet thats moderate with carbs but low in fat...would the amount of carbs still make u fat..even if the diet is low in fat???Can u all bros please explain this to me????

 

[PwB]

Carbs don't make u fat

It's not that carbs make you fat per se. It's just that eating too many carbs can be stored as fat, and also makes it harder to lose fat. High carbs and fat in the same meal seems like the worse combination, the SAD (standard american diet) is both high in carbs and fat and obesity rates are at 60% now. I've read conflicting data, some have said that fat lowers the glycemic index of carbs, making them absorbed slower, while other studies have said that fat actually worsens the insulin response when fats are ingested with carbs. The problem with carbs is this, they break down into sugar (glucose) in the blood, and your pancrease secretes insulin to shuttle the sugar out of the blood to the liver then muscles for storage. If there's an excess of glucose that isn't burned off immediately and your glycogen stores are filled, the carbs are actually stored as bodyfat through de novo lipogenesis. Even if this doesn't happen, just the fact that when insulin levels are raised, fat burning comes to a stop. Anyway, the CKD and other low carb diets deal with this problem very well, but even the Zone diet, which allows 40% of its calories from (low glycemic) carbohydrates can prevent one from getting fat. Hope this info helps u out.

 

[SonnyBlack]

cool thanx bro....hey MR X, BLOOD DRINKER,Vageta...wat do u all think about this????

 

[MS]

Too many calories make you fat. It is really that simple. It's just easier to overeat highly processed carbs than it is to eat fibrous carbs with your proteins and fats.

 

[MarkFlC5]

Re: Carbs don't make u fat

The problem with carbs is this, they break down into sugar (glucose) in the blood, and your pancrease secretes insulin to shuttle the sugar out of the blood to the liver then muscles for storage. If there's an excess of glucose that isn't burned off immediately and your glycogen stores are filled, the carbs are actually stored as bodyfat through de novo lipogenesis. Even if this doesn't happen, just the fact that when insulin levels are raised, fat burning comes to a stop. Anyway, the CKD and other low carb diets deal with this problem very well, but even the Zone diet, which allows 40% of its calories from (low glycemic) carbohydrates can prevent one from getting fat. Hope this info helps u out.

Hi,

I'm new to this forum. I'm not sure if I'm in this leage as so many of u seem to be into bodybuilding and I gave up on it years ago 'cause of genetic limitations. I still workout and am actually fairly muscular but don't carry the density of the amateur bodybuilders.

I have lots of questions but I for one would like to address this quote. True, insulin is an issue and in fact glucagon is just as important for Fat burning but I understand that these 2 variables are more affected by simple sugars as opposed to the complex carbs (sweet potatoes, brown rice, etc.) Peraps I'm wrong but I'm open to any more information on this.

I'd also like to know more about carbs because although my diet is very low in fac, I've never known carbs to be as detrimental as to what I'm reading in some of these threads. As far as KD diets are concerned, I hear that scientifically the results are very short term the fat stores come back very quickly from what I hear. Now this may depen on how long one is on the KD diet for but I'd like to know more info about his as well.

 

[SonnyBlack]

bump for some more comments on this.....MR X AND COSMO AND VAGETA ...where r u all ...id like to hear from u all about this.....

 

[Vageta]

I'll chime in though the answer has already been given. Carbs don't make you fat, too many calories makes you fat. Problem is that processed carbs are loaded with calories so it is easy to eat too much. It would be possible to get fat on a CKD if you ate more calories than you burned. I don't think many people realize this.

 

[He'sjustalittleguy]

I heard that the body cannot store fat without the presence of insulin. The body produces insulin in order to convert carbs into glucagon it can expend for energy. The higher the glycemic index, the more insulin the body produces. Can anyone verify this. That's the whole premise behind the ATkin's diet. Wthout any carbs, the body will never produce insulin, and therefore will never store fat. The Sugar Buster's diet works similiarly: EAT low glycemic index foods in order hinder the release of insulin, while buring off calories through other measures. Processed foods in general, I hear, are crap, because they are an inferior source of energy. Brown rice and sweet potatoes seem to always come up on the best sources of complex carbs. Any info appreciated.
Thanx

 

[Hoffmeister]

I heard that the body cannot store fat without the presence of insulin.

This is wrong. Apparently, there's something called "acylation stimulation protein " that doesn't need insulin to store fat.

The technicalities are far beyond me. But what the others said: too many calories make you fat.

 

[SonnyBlack]

can anyone expand on wat Hoffmeister said....???mr x where u at bro???

 

[Tha One CrumCake]

Because they are EeEeEEEeeeEeeViL.

 

[MarkFlC5]

I heard that the body cannot store fat without the presence of insulin.
Thanx

Hmmm, this doesn't sound right. Adipose (FAT) tissue is typically for the most part the result of unburned calories. So if you had 0 carbs in 5 days (wouldn't recommend it) but averaged 4000 calories which only included things like bacon, hamburger, and protein and sat around the house doing nothing, u bet u would accumulate adipose tissue without a problem.

 

[MS]

The myth that you need insulin to store fat is the cornerstone of diets such as Atkins etc.....acylation stimulating protein is a major player in insulin independant triglyceride storage, particularly in subcutaneous tissue. In fact there is now a body of evidence that obesity and very low carb diets both lead to an increase of ASP. This may be the main reason obese folks (or those coming off a verly low carb diet) suffer rebound fat gain more than other people. In other words you've trained your body to be more efficient at storing fat even when carbs are lacking. But putting the biochemistry aside, it still comes down to too many CALORIES make you fat.

 

[MarkFlC5]

In fact there is now a body of evidence that obesity and very low carb diets both lead to an increase of ASP. This may be the main reason obese folks (or those coming off a verly low carb diet) suffer rebound fat gain more than other people. In other words you've trained your body to be more efficient at storing fat even when carbs are lacking. But putting the biochemistry aside, it still comes down to too many CALORIES make you fat.

Thats interesting - I've heard this severall times and thats why many peope feel that CKD diets ultimately fail in the long run and actually make things worse. I don't know why so many bodybuilders swear by this diet if fat stores are facilitated by these diets. Hmmmmmm.

 

[MS]

Bodybuilders swear by low carb diets because they work! A cutting diet for a BB is a very extreme and short term diet. Alos most BBs are realistic enough to know that they're gonna gain some fat back post comp. Good BBs are always 'dieting' one way or another and can usually keep the fat gains in control by shear willpower and good diet planning. Obese folks are in a different boat. Most, sadly, see a diet in a similar light to a BB in that they just want to see the fat come off. They're often not looking at a lifestyle approach to weight management, and don't even consider what they're gonna do once they reach their target fatloss. Lets face it- a BB knows they're going to pig-out and gain back the fat they lost. They accept this as part of the game. Your average obese person thinks that they are going to somehow magically maintain their new weight without having to continually work at it.

 

[Mr.X]

I think the simplest answer to your question is:

Carbs don't technically make you fat, it's the insulin that comes with carbs it what actually makes you fat. You see the overtake of daily carbs. is the real problem, for it constitutes the spill over of glucose to fat cells. Generally, I'd say follow these two rules-of-thumb and you wont risk fat gain:
1)Mix Carbs/protein
2)Mix Fat/protein

This is a sure way to not gain fat, and enjoy the foods you like.

Mr.X

 

[MS]

That's a good rule of thumb. Think about it from nature's point of view......there ar no naturally occurring foods that are high in carbs AND fat. There are also few naturally occurring raw carb foods that have a high GI. Maybe there's a good reason for that! Having said that, many people swear by isocaloric diets. From a purely evolutionary (long term health) point of view I am not a fan of the isocaloric concept or of 'spiking' one's insulin. But from a BB point of view (ie gain maximum muscle in minimum time) there is a place for these diet approaches.

 

[SonnyBlack]

so then if my diet is 40-40-20 i wont gain fat. And wat if i ate some simple carbs during the day...can i gain fat even if i dont eat fat at the same time that i eat the carbs and i stay below maintenance???

 

[MarkFlC5]

You'll put on adipose tissue (FAT) if you burn less calories than you consume - its that simple. It doesn't matter whether you are on a 40-20-20 diet, ZONE Diet, ADLKINS, whatever. Also understand the FAT you put on is not the same as the fat you consume. You need some fat in your diet to aid in digestion - don't be scared of fat. Be concerned with burning say 300 or so more cals than you consume in a day, that is if you want to lose. There are other methods as well as have been mentioned (CKD Diets, eetc) but it pretty much comes down to calories in/calories out.

Also, if u want to lose or cut up, simple sugars will retard that process, especially the cutting up part, even if u r at or a little below calorie maintenance.

 

[N-10-CITY]

Imagine that...the First Law of Thermodynamics holds true.

Just wanted to say that it's good to hear some intelligent discussion regarding diet from some educated individuals rather than the typical gym BS of perpetuating idiotic BB "mythinformation".