Holyghost...

[alcatraz1662]

Sorry to do this, I’m respectful to everyone here but Holyghost is giving out way too much bad advice here and someone is gonna get hurt. Here are some links to just a couple of the horrible advice he has given here:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...eek-anavar-winstrol-cutting-cycle-575211.html

recommending 12 weeks of anavar at 100mg/ed for an unexperienced user who simply needs to hop on a treadmill…and to stack with winny for 6 weeks

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...an-methenolone-anavar-oxandrolone-575258.html

recommending bumping a cycle beyond what is needed

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/ten-weeks-trenbolone-hex-575179.html

this one’s not as blatant as the others, but says liver damage from AAS is a “myth”….actually uses the word kidney though (prob by accident).

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/help-cycle-design-574884.html

recommending a ridiculous cycle with 2 orals over a 12 week period/deca&tren/….this one’s not as bad though as the others though. Even needtogetaas questions his advice.



There are many more posts than this, but I have tired myself out for searching for more. Now I usually don’t do this, but I have been around for a while and not just here but on other boards and something has to be said about this guy. He either needs to do some more research himself or stop giving guys horrible advice before someone hurts themselves. He’s recommending overdosed cycles and people are taking his advice to heart because he has a lot of karma. Mods, maybe you can say something to Holyghost or something because he’s getting out of line here.

Some priceless quotes from holyghost (they are taken out of context, but still illustrate my point on where this guy’s coming from):

“They right about the diet and shit its MOST Important but the gear will take you where you need to go homey”

“nigga what you need to do is put down the Old E and swishers and get on some juice”

~Alc

 

[eddymerckx]

i thought we went through this last week--a few inaccurate statements out of 5000 is not a reason to trash guy who gives out good advice 99.9 % of the time and is always posting interesting articles and raising important issues that need be discussed.

i don't think my doctor has a better record--

now i have to go hang some christmas lights otherwise i would rant some more about this jumping-one-guy crap.

 

[borris]

oh shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jon1320]

why would you go out of your way to post something retarded like this?
bombsaways

 

[alcatraz1662]

1. his comments are NOT accurate 99.9% of the time. they are either WRONG 99.9% of the time, pushing a product by someone he knows little about, or a one-liner comment that any 8th grader can post.
2. i went out of my way to say this to inform some of the newer guys to be careful about the advice they take from guys they don't know much about.
3. it's because of guys like this why alot of people have left this place. this used to be a place to get great information and learn (hence why i have only 500 or so posts and over 2 years of membership). i read and learn more than i talk.
4. and by you guys supporting him and not warning him on his own posts is why this place isn't what it used to be.

~Alc

 

[alcatraz1662]

this is by no means a rant, but a post that people should be careful about who they take advice from.....much respect for everyone here, even you eddy & jon. you guys have never given bad advice to the magnitude that holyghost has. thanks,

~Alc

 

[Mac173]

This should be interesting.

 

[alcatraz1662]

This should be interesting.

I hope so.....i'm not flaming anyone on this nor dishing out any bad K even though i have been bombed already. that's not what it's here for. i'm just trying to inform newbies and even older members here that it's not about the amount of Karma you have that's make you knowledgeable and you need to be careful about who you take advice from.

xrist will be here soon and back me up on this as he has also questioned holyghost numerous times about his irrational advice and holyghost has never responded. even mods have questioned his advice at times.

~Alc

 

[OMEGA]

in b4 lock

 

[alcatraz1662]

in b4 lock

if this does get locked i just hope that some mods see this and take into consideration of what i'm saying. i'm here on good intentions and un-armed.

 

[silverfish]

Waiting.

 

[GUESS]

1. his comments are NOT accurate 99.9% of the time. they are either WRONG 99.9% of the time, pushing a product by someone he knows little about, or a one-liner comment that any 8th grader can post.
2. i went out of my way to say this to inform some of the newer guys to be careful about the advice they take from guys they don't know much about.
3. it's because of guys like this why alot of people have left this place. this used to be a place to get great information and learn (hence why i have only 500 or so posts and over 2 years of membership). i read and learn more than i talk.
4. and by you guys supporting him and not warning him on his own posts is why this place isn't what it used to be.

~Alc

I agree with your statements to a certain degree.

 

[GUESS]

in b4 lock

Wow Omega, I'm surprised @ your response.

 

[jon1320]

Alright Alc, if your here to show the newbies and not dish out any flame or bad k then I'll argue your post in the same matter.

I don't know holy other than the fact that he's got good advice as far as supplementation, diets, and workouts go.

We were all once a noob, and since then.. I've taken some of holy's advice into hands and grew from it.
"Never bite the hand that feeds you" -- with that said, I'm guna stand up for this bro..

You, Alc, have quoted 4 posts from holy that you claim to be 100% wrong.
Well hey, I'm not going to look at those links, but if infact they are 100% wrong.. then his status is still baller.
He's god 5599 posts, and with those 4 u quoted, drops his good/actual to 5594/5599
that 0.99910698338989105197356670834078% -- not bad in my book.
I just figured that if you went out of your way to try and nab this guy, you'd atleast quote EVERYTHING thats not right.. so with that said holy is cool in my book.
And as far as the quotes you quoted him at the end of OP,

“They right about the diet and shit its MOST Important but the gear will take you where you need to go homey”
-----Yea diet is hella important... and slap some proper gear on and you WILL go to the next level-----
“nigga what you need to do is put down the Old E and swishers and get on some juice”
-----He's encouraging dropping bad habbits and caring about the body more.

The thing I like about holy is he's got personality.. which is always shown through his posts. I could sit here and ramble on, but I've got other things i gotta do.

cliffs: holyghost is a good bro in my book.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Whether or not your statements are valid or not is not the issue. I appreciate the fact that you have the balls to stand up for what you think is not right and are trying to warn others. But......I think that a mod should of been involved. This can only turn ugly.

Lord knows Ghost and I have had our differences of opinion and have picked at each other. Part of this was due to my "testiness" of being on cycle and one part me being a jerk.

 

[needtogetaas]

1. his comments are NOT accurate 99.9% of the time. they are either WRONG 99.9% of the time, pushing a product by someone he knows little about, or a one-liner comment that any 8th grader can post.
2. i went out of my way to say this to inform some of the newer guys to be careful about the advice they take from guys they don't know much about.
3. it's because of guys like this why alot of people have left this place. this used to be a place to get great information and learn (hence why i have only 500 or so posts and over 2 years of membership). i read and learn more than i talk.
4. and by you guys supporting him and not warning him on his own posts is why this place isn't what it used to be.

~Alc

I don't mind if you comment and give your thoughts on a member. I don't like how you talk badly about the site as a whole though.. We have a lot of great members here. This is still a place to read and learn. Keep things clean is all I ask. So far thats what it looks like to me.

As for ghost he has some things to learn, but he has been a friend to me So I will be a friend to him. If I have something to say to him I will do it in a pm.

 

[OMEGA]

Wow Omega, I'm surprised @ your response.

darn it is Sunday

where is the sense of humor?!?!

come on

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

post count doesnt mean shit right? anyone can come in here and get a 5k post count in less than a year.. Just keep this in mind when taking advice from anyone.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

in b4 lock

LOL. Whats up omega?

 

[alcatraz1662]

Alright Alc, if your here to show the newbies and not dish out any flame or bad k then I'll argue your post in the same matter.

I don't know holy other than the fact that he's got good advice as far as supplementation, diets, and workouts go.

We were all once a noob, and since then.. I've taken some of holy's advice into hands and grew from it.
"Never bite the hand that feeds you" -- with that said, I'm guna stand up for this bro..

You, Alc, have quoted 4 posts from holy that you claim to be 100% wrong.
Well hey, I'm not going to look at those links, but if infact they are 100% wrong.. then his status is still baller.
He's god 5599 posts, and with those 4 u quoted, drops his good/actual to 5594/5599
that 0.99910698338989105197356670834078% -- not bad in my book.
I just figured that if you went out of your way to try and nab this guy, you'd atleast quote EVERYTHING thats not right.. so with that said holy is cool in my book.
And as far as the quotes you quoted him at the end of OP,

“They right about the diet and shit its MOST Important but the gear will take you where you need to go homey”
-----Yea diet is hella important... and slap some proper gear on and you WILL go to the next level-----
“nigga what you need to do is put down the Old E and swishers and get on some juice”
-----He's encouraging dropping bad habbits and caring about the body more.

The thing I like about holy is he's got personality.. which is always shown through his posts. I could sit here and ramble on, but I've got other things i gotta do.

cliffs: holyghost is a good bro in my book.

bro have you looked at what half his posts consist of?! "hey", "what's up", "hhjgduyf"......like i said before, anything that an 8th grader can post. so post count DOESN'T mean shit.

and those 4 posts are the only ones i was able "to find".....i got tired of searching, as i'm sure there are many more.

maybe he is very knowledgable about supps, diet, and workouts......then maybe he should just post there instead of posting on what he has no idea or little idea about?----AAS.

lastly, i'm not judging his character (or his poor grammar for that matter)......i don't care if he pretends he's from a crip gang, russia, or an igloo. i'm saying that his advice is piss-poor in the AAS area and he needs to be careful because there are alot of newbies here who are very impressionable to a couple golden crowns sitting in your karma.

 

[Tatyana]

I have a suggestion I would like to see more people consider before handing out drug advice or recommending gear straight off the get go:

ASKING

1. Age

2. Basics stats, weight, height, bodyfat

3. Amount of time training

4. Goals

5. Basic diet

6. Training schedule, has it been varied..........

7. Previous cycles and PCT

Not necessarily in the order, except AGE.

I do think drugs are recommended too quickly to some people who are just looking to lose some bodyfat and get fit.

They are not the place to start a fitness/lifting/bbing program, they are like the icing on the cake.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

TAT I like that picture too. We still miss the butt pics. lol


I agree TAT those questions should be asked.

Does that say flex at teh bottom of your pic as in like you were in flex magazine?

 

[needtogetaas]

post count doesnt mean shit right? anyone can come in here and get a 5k post count in less than a year.. Just keep this in mind when taking advice from anyone.

Wtf my 46453K post make me a god damn it. I have the 3rd most post on this site. 11 years of posters and I have more then all of them but 2.


ok just a joke They don't mean much but don't even try to tell me my karma don't mean any thing ether. If so I quit.

 

[alcatraz1662]

I don't mind if you comment and give your thoughts on a member. I don't like how you talk badly about the site as a whole though.. We have a lot of great members here. This is still a place to read and learn. Keep things clean is all I ask. So far thats what it looks like to me.

As for ghost he has some things to learn, but he has been a friend to me So I will be a friend to him. If I have something to say to him I will do it in a pm.

i might have gone a little hay-wire on that one needto. this is a GREAT place and i have learned more here than any other board i've been to, it just makes me upset to see guys like Holy with god-like karma influence good guys or beginners to bad advice.

i'll keep this thread clean, thanks needto,

~Alc

 

[alcatraz1662]

I have a suggestion I would like to see more people consider before handing out drug advice or recommending gear straight off the get go:

ASKING

1. Age

2. Basics stats, weight, height, bodyfat

3. Amount of time training

4. Goals

5. Basic diet

6. Training schedule, has it been varied..........

7. Previous cycles and PCT - post cycle therapy -

Not necessarily in the order, except AGE.

I do think drugs are recommended too quickly to some people who are just looking to lose some bodyfat and get fit.

They are not the place to start a fitness/lifting/bbing program, they are like the icing on the cake.

totally agree......maybe mandatory signature material when posting advice?

 

[GUESS]

Wow Omega, I'm surprised @ your response.

Point taken!! It's just that I heard DIGGER doesn't like when we do that!!!

 

[OMEGA]

LOL. Whats up omega?

I was just being a class clown

damn its Sunday!

 

[jon1320]

bro have you looked at what half his posts consist of?! "hey", "what's up", "hhjgduyf"......like i said before, anything that an 8th grader can post. so post count DOESN'T mean shit.

and those 4 posts are the only ones i was able "to find".....i got tired of searching, as i'm sure there are many more.

maybe he is very knowledgable about supps, diet, and workouts......then maybe he should just post there instead of posting on what he has no idea or little idea about?----anabolic androgenic steroids.

lastly, i'm not judging his character (or his poor grammar for that matter)......i don't care if he pretends he's from a crip gang, russia, or an igloo. i'm saying that his advice is piss-poor in the AAS area and he needs to be careful because there are alot of newbies here who are very impressionable to a couple golden crowns sitting in your karma.

okay good point. I dont use aas so I can't relate to any of those posts. but as I said the other stuff I can, so yeaaaa you have your points/views I gotz mine...
keep tha peace

 

[Trendsetter21]

I have a suggestion I would like to see more people consider before handing out drug advice or recommending gear straight off the get go:

ASKING

1. Age

2. Basics stats, weight, height, bodyfat

3. Amount of time training

4. Goals

5. Basic diet

6. Training schedule, has it been varied..........

7. Previous cycles and PCT - post cycle therapy -

Not necessarily in the order, except AGE.

I do think drugs are recommended too quickly to some people who are just looking to lose some bodyfat and get fit.

They are not the place to start a fitness/lifting/bbing program, they are like the icing on the cake.

Why not making this post little fill out sheet as a sticky and have that anyone asking questions about taking steroids fill this out first or your question won't be answered. That would help save a lot of time on some of these threads!

 

[Tatyana]

TAT I like that picture too. We still miss the butt pics. lol


I agree TAT those questions should be asked.

Does that say flex at teh bottom of your pic as in like you were in flex magazine?

Thanks hun

Yes, Flex UK...............

 

[Tatyana]

totally agree......maybe mandatory signature material when posting advice?

Would you elaborate on that a bit please?

 

[Trendsetter21]

Just from reading most of his posts, its clear to me Holy Ghost is a believer in taking large amounts of gear. I've seen his cycles and they are quite large in my opinion, but I believe he is entitled to his opinion. I believe in the less is better because when you start going higher the body can't process all that. I don't know if I'm right, and I don't know if he's right. From what I've heard his body looks amazing, and if thats what he takes maybe he feels that lower dosages aren't always better. People come here looking for advice and opinions, I also believe sometimes Holy might not think that its someones first cycle and that they are an experienced user. I have also seen more of his recent posts about cycles that are good amounts of dosages. I think sometimes when giving advice he might get carried away and start thinking about what he would take and posts that. There's nothing wrong with that and what you can do is read the post and when you think he's giving bad advice give your own advice. There are always going to be conflicting opinions. But he's a good guy and does help people out a lot with training and stuff. When I first came back after a long time of taking off from coming to the boards I saw him flaming people and got into a little discussion about it. I didn't agree with flaming and I can tell you this, since that discussion forum talk I haven't seen him flaming anyone that much and more trying to help people out. He's always coming online and checking posts and giving the best information and advice that he knows. I don't agree with all of what he says but I still think he's a great guy and a great help.

“They right about the diet and shit its MOST Important but the gear will take you where you need to go homey”

As for that quote most kids don't want to take the right advice and focus on diet and training. It is true that gear will take you where you need to go if you aren't going to focus 100% on what you really should do. These drugs work thats why people take them so I don't believe he's out of line saying this. I've seen lazy bastards go on a cycle and gain tons of strength. Did they do it the right way....NOPE but it still worked. Sux that people want the quick way.

 

[eddymerckx]

^^ i agree--that is why i defend the guy--his advice is consistent with guys that believe in using a lot of gear and a lot of different types---and the problem is i do not know of a whole lot of hard scientific research that say such is either good or bad--so much is anecdotal

I do not take the same amounts or different types as ghost but he is saying what works for him--just as i say what works for me


and it's just wrong to outright attack one person overall that you believe has given bad advice --dispute his reasoning on a post by post basis and we will all maybe learn something

 

[Tatyana]

These drugs work thats why people take them so I don't believe he's out of line saying this. I've seen lazy bastards go on a cycle and gain tons of strength. Did they do it the right way....NOPE but it still worked. Sux that people want the quick way.

I see a lot of expanding and contracting lads in my gym.

You know when they are on because they get big.

You know when they come off cause they get small.

If your diet and training are sorted (or you got the freaky genetics) you will keep the majority of your gains.

If you don't, I really don't think a lot of the lads keep their gains. Unless of course they got that genetic freak thing.

 

[Tatyana]

^^ i agree--that is why i defend the guy--his advice is consistent with guys that believe in using a lot of gear and a lot of different types---and the problem is i do not know of a whole lot of hard scientific research that say such is either good or bad--so much is anecdotal

I do not take the same amounts or different types as ghost but he is saying what works for him--just as i say what works for me


and it's just wrong to outright attack one person overall that you believe has given bad advice --dispute his reasoning on a post by post basis and we will all maybe learn something

You only have a certain number of testosterone receptors, and when they are saturated (full) they are FULL, and adding more gear is not going to make any difference.

The body is full of homeostatic mechanisms (balancing mechanisms) and when some substance is in the body in excess, the receptors are down-regulated, meaning you lose some of them.

This is a feed-back mechanism that occurs with a lot of substances, for example, recreational drugs, and why it often takes people more and more of a drug to get a high.

I am going to do some more reading/research about this.

The large dose cycle is a contentious issue.

I don't know if this is a legitimate claim, but I would think dosing cycles would be better based on bodyweight and natural testosterone levels.

 

[halfcenturian]

If the best we can do here is throw Ghost on the Benihana Grill and play slice and dice shrimp with him...... I'm outta here.

His posts, responses etc. are HIS opinions. Weather fact or fiction. He is giving you his opinion. If you apply his opinions without doing your own,
further research, you are a fool.

Ghost is a good man, who would give you the shirt off his back.
If he is embellishing on dosage or whatever, call bullshit.
But don't go out of your way to bully him, and/or get others on the
"Ghost is full of shit" bandwagon.
I fucking hate bully's.

Have a nice life. I'm retired from this board.

Halfcenturian

 

[alcatraz1662]

dispute his reasoning on a post by post basis and we will all maybe learn something

that's what i'm trying to do here man....all i did was converge it into one thread so we don't have to go hoping around stalking all his posts. alot of people have learned alot of things already.....i probably have gotten at least 30 PMs positively commenting this thread already (minus your Karma bomb). and my main purpose wasn't to attack, it was to inform.

~Alc

 

[eddymerckx]

that's what i'm trying to do here man....all i did was converge it into one thread so we don't have to go hoping around stalking all his posts. alot of people have learned alot of things already.....i probably have gotten at least 30 PMs positively commenting this thread already (minus your Karma bomb). and my main purpose wasn't to attack, it was to inform.

~Alc

the thing is, last weekend it was a pile-on-the-ghost fest and it just bothered me--but by calling him out what is he supposed to do? find all his good posts and we score it like a debate?

i think everyone here should know to take advice from some unknown person on the internet for what it is worth--and if all the research they do is ask one question and follow that advice, well, that person is the same dude that reaches into his running lawn mower to clean-out the clog or looks down the barrrel of gun to see if it is loaded--just a matter of time anyuway.

 

[alcatraz1662]

If the best we can do here is throw Ghost on the Benihana Grill and play slice and dice shrimp with him...... I'm outta here.

His posts, responses etc. are HIS opinions. Weather fact or fiction. He is giving you his opinion. If you apply his opinions without doing your own,
further research, you are a fool.

Ghost is a good man, who would give you the shirt off his back.
If he is embellishing on dosage or whatever, call bullshit.
But don't go out of your way to bully him, and/or get others on the
"Ghost is full of shit" bandwagon.
I fucking hate bully's.

Have a nice life. I'm retired from this board.

Halfcenturian

alot of people are confusing this thread as a flame or rant thread....WHICH IT IS NOT. if it were, this would have been locked down by now.

i know people are entitled to their opinions.....but when your opinions are posted on a world wide website open for other people to view concerning using ILLEGAL and potentially dangerous chemicals, then you have to start taking responsibility for your posts and have to realize that your opinions can have astronomical consequences (especially when you have all this karma stuff which is supposed to represent your knowledge and responsibility). careful consideration should be taken with your ranking as to not be abused.

someone quoted "don't bite the hand that feeds you"........well there's another one that comes to mind: "with great power comes great responsibility"

~Alc

 

[ricorico]

AAS alone will NOT get you to where you want to be, unless where you want to be is mediocre,. Diet accounts for like 80% of your fitness goals.

 

[eddymerckx]

If the best we can do here is throw Ghost on the Benihana Grill and play slice and dice shrimp with him...... I'm outta here.

His posts, responses etc. are HIS opinions. Weather fact or fiction. He is giving you his opinion. If you apply his opinions without doing your own,
further research, you are a fool.

Ghost is a good man, who would give you the shirt off his back.
If he is embellishing on dosage or whatever, call bullshit.
But don't go out of your way to bully him, and/or get others on the
"Ghost is full of shit" bandwagon.
I fucking hate bully's.

Have a nice life. I'm retired from this board.

Halfcenturian

i think i have to agree--stick a fork in me, i'm done

 

[alcatraz1662]

i think everyone here should know to take advice from some unknown person on the internet for what it is worth--and if all the research they do is ask one question and follow that advice, well, that person is the same dude that reaches into his running lawn mower to clean-out the clog or looks down the barrrel of gun to see if it is loaded--just a matter of time anyuway.

but that's the thing....MOST people don't know how to filter the advice on the internet for what it's worth. alot of people DO ask 1 question and follow that advice. that's why we need to take more consideration into what we post. me and xrist have repeatedly called out holyghost on his reasoning for some of his extravagant posts and holy hasn't responded to any of them. just trying to take a little social responsibility that's all man,

 

[GUESS]

alot of people are confusing this thread as a flame or rant thread....WHICH IT IS NOT. if it were, this would have been locked down by now.

i know people are entitled to their opinions.....but when your opinions are posted on a world wide website open for other people to view concerning using ILLEGAL and potentially dangerous chemicals, then you have to start taking responsibility for your posts and have to realize that your opinions can have astronomical consequences (especially when you have all this karma stuff which is supposed to represent your knowledge and responsibility). careful consideration should be taken with your ranking as to not be abused.

someone quoted "don't bite the hand that feeds you"........well there's another one that comes to mind: "with great power comes great responsibility"

~Alc

Very well put!!! I'm pretty impressed @ how clean this has stayed.

 

[alcatraz1662]

okay good point. I dont use anabolic androgenic steroids so I can't relate to any of those posts. but as I said the other stuff I can, so yeaaaa you have your points/views I gotz mine...
keep tha peace

thanks man

 

[alcatraz1662]

Very well put!!! I'm pretty impressed @ how clean this has stayed.

thanks man. i'll be sure to keep everything clean here,

 

[GUESS]

thanks man. i'll be sure to keep everything clean here,

I don't doubt it one bit!!

 

[Acela]

The advent of the internet has created the platform for information to be shared in a very free flowing atmosphere.
when gathering information for the purposes of research, one has to do that research extensively, weigh the pros and cons of a plethora of research avenues before drawing their own conclusion..

Holy Ghost always, from what i've read, premises his his cycle statements with somewhat of a disclaimer if you will, ie he acknowledges that he runs high dosages

It is at the discretion of the person doing the research to draw there own conclusion and proceed with all of the necessary prudence to ensure a successful cycle and p'c't

BTW i will go on the record as saying that i enjoy the majority of the articles that holyghost posts up (always gives cred to the respective author BTW). I find them both pertinent and germain to my BB goals.

And to the author of this thread, please don't take any offense to what i wrote. i' m simply giving my opinion as did you

 

[Tatyana]

You only have a certain number of testosterone receptors, and when they are saturated (full) they are FULL, and adding more gear is not going to make any difference.

The body is full of homeostatic mechanisms (balancing mechanisms) and when some substance is in the body in excess, the receptors are down-regulated, meaning you lose some of them.

This is a feed-back mechanism that occurs with a lot of substances, for example, recreational drugs, and why it often takes people more and more of a drug to get a high.

I am going to do some more reading/research about this.

The large dose cycle is a contentious issue.

I don't know if this is a legitimate claim, but I would think dosing cycles would be better based on bodyweight and natural testosterone levels.

The quick scan I have had about testosterone receptors..............

There is no definative answer, some say high doses of androgens (test) decrease test receptors, some say it has no effect.

I am going to have to hit pubmed for this one.

Here is a website link for more reading if you are interested, I thought this was quite good:

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/androgen-receptor-regulation.htm

 

[GUARDIAN]

The advent of the internet has created the platform for information to be shared in a very free flowing atmosphere.
when gathering information for the purposes of research, one has to do that research extensively, weigh the pros and cons of a plethora of research avenues before drawing their own conclusion..

Holy Ghost always, from what i've read, premises his his cycle statements with somewhat of a disclaimer if you will, ie he acknowledges that he runs high dosages

It is as the discretion of the person doing the research to draw there own conclusion and proceed with all of the necessary prudence to ensure a successful cycle and p'c't

BTW i will go on the record as saying that i enjoy the majority of the articles that holyghost posts up (always gives cred to the respective author BTW). I find them both pertinent and germain to my BB goals.

And to the author of this thread, please don't take any offense to what i wrote. i' m simply giving my opinion as did you

very civil & respectful

 

[ViperHMS]

but that's the thing....MOST people don't know how to filter the advice on the internet for what it's worth. alot of people DO ask 1 question and follow that advice. that's why we need to take more consideration into what we post. me and xrist have repeatedly called out holyghost on his reasoning for some of his extravagant posts and holy hasn't responded to any of them. just trying to take a little social responsibility that's all man,

I share your concern too, this is the largest and most popular site on this subject manner on the internet. Its gotta be hard for a newbie to know when he is getting good or bad advice, but they, if they have any intelegence, need to do their own due diligence. How many times that is followed....I believe that the odds are against people actually doing the work to filter truth from bullshit. This board has gone thru a great deal of change from what it was years and years ago, some for the good and some for the bad. Karma is a joke, but I do like when I can give someone props.

I dont know HG much, i've seen him on the board and have seen some posts where I just had to scratch my head and think where did that idea come from. Thankfully I have been around long enough to know what is a good idea and what is not. Seems like there are followers of HG and they vouch for his character and thats a good thing, but if you dont follow his opinion, you'll just have to speak up when you see his posts.

 

[alcatraz1662]

I share your concern too, this is the largest and most popular site on this subject manner on the internet. Its gotta be hard for a newbie to know when he is getting good or bad advice, but they, if they have any intelegence, need to do their own due diligence. How many times that is followed....I believe that the odds are against people actually doing the work to filter truth from bullshit. This board has gone thru a great deal of change from what it was years and years ago, some for the good and some for the bad. Karma is a joke, but I do like when I can give someone props.

I dont know human growth hormone - somatropin - much, i've seen him on the board and have seen some posts where I just had to scratch my head and think where did that idea come from. Thankfully I have been around long enough to know what is a good idea and what is not. Seems like there are followers of HG and they vouch for his character and thats a good thing, but if you dont follow his opinion, you'll just have to speak up when you see his posts.

pretty much ditto to everything this guy said right here.

 

[access]

The quick scan I have had about testosterone receptors..............

There is no definative answer, some say high doses of androgens (test) decrease test receptors, some say it has no effect.

I am going to have to hit pubmed for this one.

Here is a website link for more reading if you are interested, I thought this was quite good:

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/androgen-receptor-regulation.htm

Let us know what you find. That article by Bill Roberts was very interesting.

 

[alcatraz1662]

The advent of the internet has created the platform for information to be shared in a very free flowing atmosphere.
when gathering information for the purposes of research, one has to do that research extensively, weigh the pros and cons of a plethora of research avenues before drawing their own conclusion..

Holy Ghost always, from what i've read, premises his his cycle statements with somewhat of a disclaimer if you will, ie he acknowledges that he runs high dosages

It is at the discretion of the person doing the research to draw there own conclusion and proceed with all of the necessary prudence to ensure a successful cycle and p'c't

BTW i will go on the record as saying that i enjoy the majority of the articles that holyghost posts up (always gives cred to the respective author BTW). I find them both pertinent and germain to my BB goals.

And to the author of this thread, please don't take any offense to what i wrote. i' m simply giving my opinion as did you

but there's a difference between if you personally run high doses and keep it to yourself and outwardly recommending higher doses to everyone who posts for help here. IMO, beginners and people who are uninformed should always start off low for SAFETY reasons. most of these people really just need to stop eating at mcdonald's and get on a treadmill. but when so called "knowledgeable" bros with insane amounts of karma start telling people to go big or go home to the point where it's dangerous is just irresponsible.

i fully appreciate your 2 cents, acela

~Alc

 

[chazk]

Holy is a good guy .
He does take large doses .Doses if i used would prob end up in the hospital.
I know my limits ,Holy knows his limits.

I respect everybody builder for thier dedication to the sport reguardless of their drug use.

I get it all day long at the gym guys " hinting" around asking questions on how to get bigger yet keep the fat off.It almost always comes to them just about asking what I am on or have used.
They do not like to hear it becuase I always stir the conversation to their diet and protien intake.Becuase in fact that's usually what is usually the problem.

Then when drugs come up over the internet and people want my advice.
My cycles are very low last cycle was 250mg of eq at 600mg thats all.
The people get fustrated and can't believe it and some times have accused me of much more drugs.

So telling people this often makes them run to another board hoping to have someone give them the ok to shoot a few grams of test telling them thats what they need.

I think holy likes to give people what they want to hear becuase if he dose not chances are the next guy on another board will tell them what they want to hear.

It's kind of a balancing act.
Some guys will always go heavy on the drugs and some people will always stay very moderate or low dosage reguardless of what anyone tells them to use or not to use.

So chances are their minds are already made up before they even start a cycle , they have the drugs they want results and are most likley just gonna do what they want to do.

 

[needtogetaas]

You only have a certain number of testosterone receptors, and when they are saturated (full) they are FULL, and adding more gear is not going to make any difference.

The body is full of homeostatic mechanisms (balancing mechanisms) and when some substance is in the body in excess, the receptors are down-regulated, meaning you lose some of them.

This is a feed-back mechanism that occurs with a lot of substances, for example, recreational drugs, and why it often takes people more and more of a drug to get a high.

I am going to do some more reading/research about this.

The large dose cycle is a contentious issue.

I don't know if this is a legitimate claim, but I would think dosing cycles would be better based on bodyweight and natural testosterone levels.

I cant fully back what you are saying. Mostly the first part that I have changed color on. If this were even partly true most of the pros that are massively huge would not be able to maintain there size on the huge cycles they are using. AAS actually "INCREASES" the number of androgen receptors. I do agree that the body will reach homeostasis After a alloted time on a drug/dose. It has to that the way the body is designed. Once it reaches this point you can ether be happy stop the cycle and do pct or up the dose. I feel
this was the thinking behind the pyramid stile cycles of the old days. If you ask me it still makes sense. IMO SHBG is something to look into. I have been Looking into it more and more since I have taken a interest in nelsons unleashed product. SHBG stops test from fitting in the receptor sites. So if you can lower shbg then you can have a better longer cycle. At least thats what it looks like to me.

There is way more to it then I should even get into right now.

 

[Acela]

but there's a difference between if you personally run high doses and keep it to yourself and outwardly recommending higher doses to everyone who posts for help here. IMO, beginners and people who are uninformed should always start off low for SAFETY reasons. most of these people really just need to stop eating at mcdonald's and get on a treadmill. but when so called "knowledgeable" bros with insane amounts of karma start telling people to go big or go home to the point where it's dangerous is just irresponsible.

i fully appreciate your 2 cents, acela

~Alc

so true about mcd's & a treadmill LOL

 

[LB55]

well im really suprised ghost hasnt got on this yet and i give you that you have balls and i agree alot of his post are nothing special but they are helpful everytime i have asked for a question or anything close to one he shows support and answers how he thinks is best and most of the time it helps me out very much so you can say what you want about him he is still a very great person for this forum if anything he helps it keep going not makes people leave as for his high powered cycles i can find a many of a post where he will say this is by no means for everyone to take but this is how i would do it and another thing for every post you can find thats bad he has posted you can find 5 more thats good

 

[alcatraz1662]

I think holy likes to give people what they want to hear becuase if he dose not chances are the next guy on another board will tell them what they want to hear.

if he does give advice because of this, then that is irresponsible in itself. we need more guys with higher ranking giving safer and more conservative advice. and i don't think that most people already have their mind made up of using what they want before they post. if that were true, they wouldn't post in the first place. i think they act impulsively on whoever with golden crowns in their karma tells them to do first. and holyghost is a heavy poster so chances are they'll come across him sooner or later.

 

[alcatraz1662]

well im really suprised ghost hasnt got on this yet and i give you that you have balls and i agree alot of his post are nothing special but they are helpful everytime i have asked for a question or anything close to one he shows support and answers how he thinks is best and most of the time it helps me out very much so you can say what you want about him he is still a very great person for this forum if anything he helps it keep going not makes people leave as for his high powered cycles i can find a many of a post where he will say this is by no means for everyone to take but this is how i would do it and another thing for every post you can find thats bad he has posted you can find 5 more thats good

have you looked at his posts man? most of them consist of "hey", "what's up", "fjdkal", and crap like that. someone said that he is very knowledgeable in nutrition/workouts/etc. but not so much in the AAS area....and that's what we're talking about here. other than that i can't really understand what you wrote here....try using punctuation marks like periods and stuff.

 

[LB55]

im sorry im have terrible grammar im just staying that he is a great person to have on this site and not too dog him so much cause he knows quite a bit but if u have a problem with him y not message him about it instead of making it a public matter making him look bad

 

[needtogetaas]

well im really suprised ghost hasnt got on this yet and i give you that you have balls and i agree alot of his post are nothing special but they are helpful everytime i have asked for a question or anything close to one he shows support and answers how he thinks is best and most of the time it helps me out very much so you can say what you want about him he is still a very great person for this forum if anything he helps it keep going not makes people leave as for his high powered cycles i can find a many of a post where he will say this is by no means for everyone to take but this is how i would do it and another thing for every post you can find thats bad he has posted you can find 5 more thats good

About 3 hours ago ghost said he was going out for the night. Prob why he is not around. It might say he is logged in if he has ef as his home page.

 

[GUARDIAN]

I cant fully back what you are saying. Mostly the first part that I have changed color on. If this were even partly true most of the pros that are massively huge would not be able to maintain there size on the huge cycles they are using. anabolic androgenic steroids actually "INCREASES" the number of androgen receptors. I do agree that the body will reach homeostasis After a alloted time on a drug/dose. It has to that the way the body is designed. Once it reaches this point you can ether be happy stop the cycle and do PCT - post cycle therapy - or up the dose. I feel
this was the thinking behind the pyramid stile cycles of the old days. If you ask me it still makes sense. IMO sex hormone binding globulin is something to look into. I have been Looking into it more and more since I have taken a interest in nelsons unleashed product. SHBG stops test from fitting in the receptor sites. So if you can lower sex hormone binding globulin then you can have a better longer cycle. At least thats what it looks like to me.

There is way more to it then I should even get into right now.

I searched through all our faculty's university subscribed journals. I did find several articles that claimed their research showed testosterone or DHT increased the number of AR's, however they all involved labratory animals and many were very specific such as in the brain of a hamster. I found one that tested the affect of testosterone on the VSMC (vascular smooth muscle cells) on rats and concluded that it increased AR's.

 

[SLAYER69!]

About 3 hours ago ghost said he was going out for the night. Prob why he is not around. It might say he is logged in if he has ef as his home page.

doesn't it also show you as logged in if you just close your browser without hitting the [log out] button? I usually just close my browser and when I come back in it still has me logged into EF.

 

[LiquidPhire]

I am glad for the most part this discussion has remained civil, very good points made from both sides of the coin. I am interested in what ghost has to say for himself, in the mean time I agree that newbies should be more educated before jumping on gear, small or high doses. Diet and training should be in check and they should be directed to the training/diet forums if not.

 

[needtogetaas]

It has been civil but still I can't let it go on for ever. We have to rap this up some time.

 

[Zuperman]

I am glad for the most part this discussion has remained civil, very good points made from both sides of the coin. I am interested in what ghost has to say for himself, in the mean time I agree that newbies should be more educated before jumping on gear, small or high doses. Diet and training should be in check and they should be directed to the training/diet forums if not.

they should be guided to my sticky!! show me the love

 

[Cryptlord]

I pretty much made the same post against Holy a while back... hes an idiot IMO

 

[LB55]

if everyone is just gunna mouth him at least say it when he is around you guys are some shitty internet bad asses thats for sure THIS SHOULDNT BE A PUBLIC MATTER A MOD SHOULD CLOSE THIS DAM THREAD CAUSE ITS JUST GUNNA CAUSE HAVOC i know it not even about me but im a kinda person that cant stand when people mouth some one for trying to help and then try and make every one think there a idiot send him a message quit being public badasses and if you have a problem with what i say send me a message

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Wtf my 46453K post make me a god damn it. I have the 3rd most post on this site. 11 years of posters and I have more then all of them but 2.


ok just a joke They don't mean much but don't even try to tell me my karma don't mean any thing ether. If so I quit.

but you have been here since 2005. We all know you know your shit and very helpful. Dont quit lol

 

[LB55]

some mod please close this for now

 

[needtogetaas]

if everyone is just gunna mouth him at least say it when he is around you guys are some shitty internet bad asses thats for sure THIS SHOULDNT BE A PUBLIC MATTER A MOD SHOULD CLOSE THIS DAM THREAD CAUSE ITS JUST GUNNA CAUSE HAVOC i know it not even about me but im a kinda person that cant stand when people mouth some one for trying to help and then try and make every one think there a idiot send him a message quit being public badasses and if you have a problem with what i say send me a message

This thread has gone on long enough. Closing time !!! grab all your jackets and file to the exits. You don't have to log off but you can't post here.

 

[Mavafanculo]

I cant fully back what you are saying. Mostly the first part that I have changed color on. If this were even partly true most of the pros that are massively huge would not be able to maintain there size on the huge cycles they are using. anabolic androgenic steroids actually "INCREASES" the number of androgen receptors. ................................

IMO sex hormone binding globulin is something to look into. I have been ........ So if you can lower sex hormone binding globulin then you can have a better longer cycle. At least thats what it looks like to me.

^^^^

 

[Mavafanculo]

hghost posts alot of interesting on-point articles and research, and knows alot of facts re various aspects of bodybuilding.

But just like with anyone else, you should separate his facts from his opinions.

Do your own due dilligence and form your own opinions and conclusions from the facts gathered. It's your body, no one elses.