Days of the Tantric said:
Babydoc
You're speaking out of school about rudedawg. Have you ever pitched in the majors? He has. I believe he has a World Series ring. I'm 34 and i've been pitching high level baseball since high school. Any pitcher who has nothing left, regardless of whether they "gas it up" or not, will show a lower reading on the gun. They will not be throwing harder if their arm has nothing left.
Why don't you tell us where you get your information. When did you pitch? You obviously know more than anyone about this so can we see your credentials?
DOT- It's probably unnecessary to quote my entire passage, but to answer your question, my brother (who I often go to games with) is a former pitcher who is now a
professional major-league scout. To add to this "limited" experience, he scouts (and I often go with him) to the games here in ARIZONA. I hope this lends enough credibility to my posts for you and RudeDawg.
By the by DOT, the ARM is the problem, it's NOT the arm. Power pitchers derive the power from their legs- hence Clemen's problems over the last month with his hamstring. You CAN throw faster, only you have to use the weakest part of the equation- the arm.
Let me pose a simple question for you: If Schilling is throwing 98 MPH on his 110th pitch, (something which I have seen him do frequently here in Arizona from DIRECTLY BEHIND HOME PLATE, WITH THE GUN) why is it that his first 75-100 pitches are all 93-96MPH max? By your logic, if he could throw 98MPH at the end, he should be throwing at least that on his first 50 pitches. Hell, by that logic, he should be able to throw 100-105 MPH. The reason is that when he is at the end, has to reach down for more because he cannot control his pitches as well. Another reason why he led the Majors in Home Runs allowed. I stand 110% behind my statement. Backed by FACTS.
RudeDawg: Yes, at 105 MPH, only the best minor leaguers will consistently hit it, but again, that was hyperbole to make a point. You are like a weak liberal, grasping selected words and phrases from well-constructed arguments to bolster your saggingly weak response.
I am sorry if my phrasing of
"unfortunately shows your lack of understanding about pitching" was insulting and condescending to a former "professional" such as yourself. But in light of your completely ignorant response, I guess my phraseology was correct. I guess you are one of the reasons they said that pitching in the majors is diluted. Conspicuously absent from your comment on your "professional pitching" credentials are the words
MAJOR LEAGUE. Pitching for the single- A Norwich Navigators really doesn't make anyone an expert. Nor would pitching middle-relief for the 1985-1993 San Diego Padres for that matter. Maybe that's why you are now coaching an "8 - 10 kids pitch team" and not DOT's "high level" team. Clearly you have infinite patience to explain things by speculating-
"The only reason I and many many others think he [Schilling] came back and said that yesterday was to cover Brenly's ass so that he doesn't catch any more heat "- well,at least that covers
your explanation. I can't understand why you're not a broadcaster, manager, or even an owner.
As for the rest of your obnoxiously long-winded and error-laden response, it is almost tiresome to answer so I'll list it in the short form:
1. Justice .357 with 4 Jacks? Sure,
SIX YEARS AGO. Like I said before, PAST HISTORY.
Want to look at stats? Look up Gerald Williams v. Randy Johnson. Looks like Babe Ruth!
Sometimes the numbers don't reflect how the player has been playing- pitchers and hitters alike, and numbers from a year ago certainly mean jack shit. Look at Edgar "I OWN the Yankees" in this year's ALCS.
2. "Off a second-string catcher with a 12.3 caught stealing percentage he ran ONCE, in the 1st inning. No hit-and-run, no bunts, steals, NOTHING"
....... wrong again! Are you seeing a pattern here? Maybe O'Neill should have stolen in the first inning....ya that's what you meant." Actually, O'Neil and Jeter were on several times AFTER Soriano got caught stealing, and I believe one result was a ground-out double play, another a strike 3 bunt attempt, well at least one of us actually WATCHED the game. Again, I direct you back to my comment about liberals.
3.
You don't know any fans of these teams that haven't been fans for over 20+ years? Shit their fan base is getting old aren't they? Here's is another sports clue for you..... a fair weather fan is one that ONLY roots for their teams when they are doing good. If no one abandoned them they aren't "fair-weather" fans..... they are true fans. I can tell you really did play professional ball, because only a former professional athlete could be this stupid. How to respond...
a) I am 34, my friends and people that I know tend to cluster around this age bracket. I guess we must be old then. And yes, those who are baseball fans have been so for 20+ years. That's how you develop an intricate understanding of the workings of the game such as those elucidated above vis-à-vis Schilling. What are you, 28? The Mets won the WS in 1984. That's 17 years ago. Let me put this in
monosyllabic words so that you may correctly understand my words:
"no one abandoned
them" means they were not Mets fans to start with; they were only Mets fans due to the fact that the Mets were in the world series (sorry, 2 syllables, could not help it). My point was, and is, that their "true" fans did not leave them, only the aforementioned "fair-weather" fans did. As I stated before, the Yankee hitting this series SUCKS, as it has for the majority of the 2001 post-season. And it ain't the spectacular opposing pitching...
Yankee "hitting" stats through first 5 games:
.177 BA
10 runs scored (includes 2 extra-inning runs- games 4 and 5)
3-for-26 with RISP (includes 1 in 10th inning game 5)
I do believe that Schilling and Johnson's numbers were, (to paraphrase Bob Euker) "just a bit" worse, even against such powerhouses as the Expos.
And that ain't poor loyalty, it's frustration and FACT.
And once again, who cares? That was my response to J-Ro's comment that "New York has the worst fan loyalty in all sports...look how they abandoned the Mets."
Stick to defending your own comments, you seem to be having a hard enough time with those.
and lastly...
4. It was Mussina, not Pettite that gave up 5 runs in 4 innings. Virtually all hits/runs came when he was WAY ahead in the count, 0-2, or 1-2. He had NO spot control and was trying to put strike 3 over. What does this have to do with anything anyway? Oh yes, you were trying to make the point that I was, once again, "wrong" with my facts. Sorry to disappoint. Also, recognize that he was THE ONLY STARTING PITCHER ON THE YANKS WITH NO WORLD SERIES EXPERIENCE. Game 5 shows you what happens when you face Yankee pitching with World Series experience. Pettite did give up 4, in game 2, but after the first dinger, both he and the rest of the Yanks knew it was over with their hitting combined with Johnson's pitching. I'll save an explanation of Torre's complex managerial decision making behind games 1 and 2 for another time as I doubt your "professionally" trained baseball brain would burst at its stitched seams if I further embarrassed you with facts.
I'm off to see Pettite try to win his 5th world series' ring.
RudeDawg, why don't you go and actually WATCH a game, apparently pitching in the minors hasn't offered you a good enough view. I guess I'll expect to see you in my office since I'll still be "looking up pussies" when I'm done with my other passion for the year today.
And DOT, you should know better who to defend or stand behind in debates involving facts and knowledge.
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