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i just tore my distal bicep tendon...had surgery 6 days after the injury...any thoughts on using HGH to speed up and strengthen recovery????
HGH to repair tendon
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forged71
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Brother don't do I tore my distal bicep tendon lower contact point thought completely from the bone on Oct. 30 surgery the 14 November if your lifting stop!!! I think cycling right now will give you a false since of security.. I do anyway I was 7 weeks into mine. You should only lift after your MD tells you its okay. It takes on average at least 3 months before you can start lifting again and thats at a VERY low weight.I can't or won't lift for another 4 months till I know the scar tissue and bone have grown. My bro did my surgery google it 2 incision distal bicep technic. It sucks but, if you ignore this advise you'll kick yourself in the as later..
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needtogetaas
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NO it will not help at all.
chrisdivecchio
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thanks for the quick responses....i already had the surgery....great doc in southern california....he made a 2 inch cut on my forearm, went up my arm, grabbed the tendon and pulled it down to screw into the forearm bone with anchors...all the advice i have gotten from doc is no weight for 3 months but my concern is staying tight and lean during this off time....i was the thinking the HGH would help with that....he said my past steroid use most likely caused this since i am so young...he usually sees this in guys 10-15 years older than me...so i have no intention in hitting anymore anabolics but aside from keeping my diet clean and doing cardio, i want to throw something in that will help keep me lean...i also thought HGH was good for re-generating connective tissue, bones etc.....i'm gonna go crazy with no weight training and seeing my body get soft....help???????????
chrisdivecchio
C-Town
Radar, i see the doc in 1 week...he's gonna have me in rehab right away 3-4 times per week...
needtogetaas
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Bro get one thing str8 right away. Anytime you even think the words steroids around a doctor they will latch onto it and use it for the reason for any and all problems you ever had. I swear they train the fuckers this shit in med school now. Its embedded into there minds that steroids are the cause of every medical problem known to man kind. If yo admit to taking them even once, for the rest of your life every medical problem you ever have will be blamed on them. You just have them a reason to act like they know what the problem is lol...
Even so there is a chance your muscles got to strong for your tendons and you pushed it to hard.
However if this was something common we would all be seeing post like yours all over forums like this one. And we don't. WHY? Because steroids do not cause tendon problems. They dont make tendons stap,make them weak,or anything of the like.
Your muscles getting to strong to fast for bones and tendons to catch up can be a problem. But that is something you should have learned before taking them. Its lack of knowledge that causes the most problems with steroids. Nothing more, nothing less.
Wow, did you know distal head bicep detachments are about only 3% of bicep tears??? I know because I did it last Feb!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys are doing great if 3 months out you can lift, I was in rehab and some sort of incremental mechanical brace for nearly 3-4 months I think, and not cleared to start lifting until 6 months. AND I got asked on the first visit if I did steroids, I got asked again in the recovery room after the surgery while I was still doped up, and again on the follow up. I had NEVER done any steroids and I was not in totally jacked shape either, Im just a naturally mesomorph type linebacker/wreslter build. But the doctor kept commenting on how big my muscle belly was and steroids would cause this kind of injury. Funny thing is it didnt happen training, nor was I training for 3 years due to other surgeries and health issues....and being told I was at the time in adrenal overdrive with sky high cortisol levels (hell could that make the tendons brittle?), and a few months later diagnosed with adrenal fatigue and now have consistently stable low cortisol.
Im taking it way easy, I do not want to go through that again nor have anymore layoffs from training...3 years about drove me to the funny farm. Anything that my bicep is extended or used in a good portion of the lift I am not going heavy (snatches, cleans, rowing, pulling, curls, etc). I just grabbed something last Feb really lightly and it sounded like 4 pops of microwave popcorn...I didnt know what happened I thought I dislocated my elbow or hyperextended it the sound was so loud haha....
Yea, hold off unless you find a good anti-aging doctor who understands all this stuff and would advise it. Your in SoCal, heck I moved out here and every doctor Ive been to has offered me T, GH, etc with no prodding on my part...so if you look around and make some visits and depending on your age and blood levels of T and IGF-1, I think in SoCal it seems its pay to play.
Im sure you have your bases covered already, but Id keep eating clean and protein and EFAs high, vitamin C, anti oxidants, and possibly some of the other supplements out there that might help with injuries, as well as adaptogens to help combat the stress your body is going through.
Im taking it way easy, I do not want to go through that again nor have anymore layoffs from training...3 years about drove me to the funny farm. Anything that my bicep is extended or used in a good portion of the lift I am not going heavy (snatches, cleans, rowing, pulling, curls, etc). I just grabbed something last Feb really lightly and it sounded like 4 pops of microwave popcorn...I didnt know what happened I thought I dislocated my elbow or hyperextended it the sound was so loud haha....
Yea, hold off unless you find a good anti-aging doctor who understands all this stuff and would advise it. Your in SoCal, heck I moved out here and every doctor Ive been to has offered me T, GH, etc with no prodding on my part...so if you look around and make some visits and depending on your age and blood levels of T and IGF-1, I think in SoCal it seems its pay to play.
Im sure you have your bases covered already, but Id keep eating clean and protein and EFAs high, vitamin C, anti oxidants, and possibly some of the other supplements out there that might help with injuries, as well as adaptogens to help combat the stress your body is going through.
PS-if you do get prescribed PT soon, if you have good insurance and can shop around, please do so...find a PT office where one of the experienced therapists has worked specifically with your injury and surgery...I think mine I was the first one, because it was not totally thorough or did I feel like it was what it needed to be. The right physical therapist can make a tremendous difference in your recovery.
Ask your doctor what PT he thinks has the most experience in rehabbing people after that specific surgery. Also let them know that you are an athlete and want to get back into lifting and such. I was asked and told by different people that its not a big deal (??!!) to some people and they do not even get it repaired, or do and dont do the rehab since it will eventually work to some degree on its own. Find someone who either works with athletes or occupational therapy with blue collar workers who need to get their ass back on the job after a surgery, and the rehab is functional not just checking off a list on paper.
Things my PT did too at times that I liked, heating pad at first arrival for 5-10 minutes, massage the forearm, wrist, and elbow, at first it was just using the weight of my hand to do different little movements and then DBs...and then the UBE (upper body erogometer). If you find a good PT and your insurance takes care of 3-4 visits a week, and you can take the time to do it, hit it up!!!
Ask your doctor what PT he thinks has the most experience in rehabbing people after that specific surgery. Also let them know that you are an athlete and want to get back into lifting and such. I was asked and told by different people that its not a big deal (??!!) to some people and they do not even get it repaired, or do and dont do the rehab since it will eventually work to some degree on its own. Find someone who either works with athletes or occupational therapy with blue collar workers who need to get their ass back on the job after a surgery, and the rehab is functional not just checking off a list on paper.
Things my PT did too at times that I liked, heating pad at first arrival for 5-10 minutes, massage the forearm, wrist, and elbow, at first it was just using the weight of my hand to do different little movements and then DBs...and then the UBE (upper body erogometer). If you find a good PT and your insurance takes care of 3-4 visits a week, and you can take the time to do it, hit it up!!!
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forged71
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Oh what fun!!Therapy sucks at first so bare with it I go MTF and home exercises to and make sure your therapist has knowledge of this kind of bicep tear like power36 said this is a very un common tear. Good luck bro, oh one more thing do not take your pain pills before therapy so you know exactly where your pain is.
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Damn those pictures bring back bad memories...you getting those wound areas cleaned and lotion/cream put on them? Look a little dry, you dont want that getting infected.
And just something on the pain killers that I learned the past 3 years due to multiple surgeries and health problems....and dont get me wrong I love a good pain killer buzz (its legal man when you are jacked up!), however I used to try to gut things out being worried Id get addicted or that I should "take some of the pain" old school style...I got lots of research shoved in my face by well intentioned doctors, that when you are feeling pain it is neurologically interfering with healing...so, dont get hooked on pain meds but dont think its a good thing to tough out the pain...if you are feeling pain, you could be screwing with your healing process so use the meds as needed. They actually told me to keep some of the pain meds in my pocket so right after PT if it was getting sore to throw them back. I just know I have an extreme personality and when I like something I want to go balls deep, so after the inital few weeks of surgeries or other major injuries, Id try to space out the pain meds and not take them as much, even if I was hurting. A big no no.
Damn those pictures bring back bad memories...you getting those wound areas cleaned and lotion/cream put on them? Look a little dry, you dont want that getting infected.
And just something on the pain killers that I learned the past 3 years due to multiple surgeries and health problems....and dont get me wrong I love a good pain killer buzz (its legal man when you are jacked up!), however I used to try to gut things out being worried Id get addicted or that I should "take some of the pain" old school style...I got lots of research shoved in my face by well intentioned doctors, that when you are feeling pain it is neurologically interfering with healing...so, dont get hooked on pain meds but dont think its a good thing to tough out the pain...if you are feeling pain, you could be screwing with your healing process so use the meds as needed. They actually told me to keep some of the pain meds in my pocket so right after PT if it was getting sore to throw them back. I just know I have an extreme personality and when I like something I want to go balls deep, so after the inital few weeks of surgeries or other major injuries, Id try to space out the pain meds and not take them as much, even if I was hurting. A big no no.
chrisdivecchio
C-Town
THanks again...last time i hit any anabolics was 2003....been clean since minus some clenbuterol here and there....i asked the doc about HGH thinking "maybe" he'll give me an honest answer...ha ha....the pain meds were messing with my head....Power 36, i tore mine pushing a patio chair out of the way with one arm because i had a beer in the other...so F''n lame...same thing, i heard a loud pop and it looked like my elbow hyper extended and dislocated....within an hour it swelled up and was very painful...i found a great doc who has mastered the 2 incision technique....he is putting me at a place called SMI for rehab where they handle pro athletes and have dealt with this injury several times....he also wants to very aggressive with rehab as he knows my need to get back in action...i am an actor and have a couple films on the line middle of next year....i had to finish shooting a tv show the day before my surgery with a complete tear...just had to deal with the pain.... bottom line, i wanna keep the recovery stream lined, speedy and be able to stay in the best shape possible...getting back to heavy lifting isn't important...keeping my body fat low and trying to maintain some size and definition while not training is gonna be the tricky part....just legs and cardio???? WTF!!!!!!!! i'm not an anti-leg guy but you can only hit them 2 x week anyway at the most.....guess im just F'ed
forged71
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Thanks for the Plat!
Damn those pictures bring back bad memories...you getting those wound areas cleaned and lotion/cream put on them? Look a little dry, you dont want that getting infected.
And just something on the pain killers that I learned the past 3 years due to multiple surgeries and health problems....and dont get me wrong I love a good pain killer buzz (its legal man when you are jacked up!), however I used to try to gut things out being worried Id get addicted or that I should "take some of the pain" old school style...I got lots of research shoved in my face by well intentioned doctors, that when you are feeling pain it is neurologically interfering with healing...so, dont get hooked on pain meds but dont think its a good thing to tough out the pain...if you are feeling pain, you could be screwing with your healing process so use the meds as needed. They actually told me to keep some of the pain meds in my pocket so right after PT if it was getting sore to throw them back. I just know I have an extreme personality and when I like something I want to go balls deep, so after the inital few weeks of surgeries or other major injuries, Id try to space out the pain meds and not take them as much, even if I was hurting. A big no no.[/quot
Those were the day the the cast came of it was rough though don't wish this upon anyone have seen many tears in my line of work but not to many like these, the only thing that made me worried is I had now pain after I tore it until I manipulated it at the Ortho Dr office . As far as pain meds I dont tolerate them to well but after therapy its hurtin like hell . These are recent pics massage the scar to break up the scar tissue your inner elbow incision is usually a pinch stich to with stand the bending and pulling of the elbow and can get real ugly if you let the scar tissue get out of hand.
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chrisdivecchio
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agggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!! i'm dreading rehab....my incision looks a little different but my forearm is swollen and really tight...can't even come close to straightening or supinating my arm....as much as i hate the pain meds, it looks like i'm gonna need them to make it thru my rehab...thanks for all the info...keep it coming if anyone has more to add....
forged71
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Thats because you have a holle drilled in the bone and screws to set the tendon. It will go away man this injury just takes time bro.
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Yea my doc did a sweet job on the incisions, you cannot even see them....I guess he worked with a lot of snooty DC types and kept worrying about scars, I was like doc I dont care if it scars Im a dude, just have it fixed right! He actually does a very tiny incision in the elbow crease and then uses his pinky to feel the tendon and pull it back down, so since its a little line in the crook of the elbow it healed and you cant see it...the back of the elbow pretty good too can barely see....I forgot about them drilling in the back, as when I started to lift again it wasnt my bicep hurting, my tricep and elbow hurt like hell...the tendon on the outside of the elbow was popping and clicking and could feel it getting aggravated...i was at a dinner party and there was an ortho so I asked out of curiosity why my damn elbow hurt, and then he described how they cut through the elbow/forearm area and drill, then anchor, so thats why even though it wasnt my tricep/elbow that I could have issues. It has somewhat gone away so Im not too worried, just another price to pay in the game you know.
Something else I forgot to mention to you both, and anyone else who has a surgery.....once your body is ready, dont think you cant train upper body, only legs and cardio...you SHOULD train your good limb with dumbbell work, presses, pulls, bench, curls, etc....if you do this there is an effect on the nervous system on the other limb as well, so it will not atrophy as much, and will bounce back much faster when you can lift with it. Wait until you body is ready though, you dont want to tweak the bad arm while hoisting DBs with the good arm, but in time you should. Do not worry, one arm will not get huge and the other one stay small blah blah...our bodies try to normalize/balance themselves and do not want one side to be all jacked and the other limp. So dont think your training is so limited. Even people with ACL surgeries and such, you should keep training the good limp, shoulder surgery, etc....so stick with what the doctors advise, but dont think you should lay off entire upper or lower body when you have an injury. Athletes that are in good programs with good S&C/sports med staffs, never take off training due to surgeries...you work around it, and work smart.
good luck fellas.
Something else I forgot to mention to you both, and anyone else who has a surgery.....once your body is ready, dont think you cant train upper body, only legs and cardio...you SHOULD train your good limb with dumbbell work, presses, pulls, bench, curls, etc....if you do this there is an effect on the nervous system on the other limb as well, so it will not atrophy as much, and will bounce back much faster when you can lift with it. Wait until you body is ready though, you dont want to tweak the bad arm while hoisting DBs with the good arm, but in time you should. Do not worry, one arm will not get huge and the other one stay small blah blah...our bodies try to normalize/balance themselves and do not want one side to be all jacked and the other limp. So dont think your training is so limited. Even people with ACL surgeries and such, you should keep training the good limp, shoulder surgery, etc....so stick with what the doctors advise, but dont think you should lay off entire upper or lower body when you have an injury. Athletes that are in good programs with good S&C/sports med staffs, never take off training due to surgeries...you work around it, and work smart.
good luck fellas.
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I have a torn rotator cuff that aggrivates me occasionally ,got an opportunity from our sponsor (Sarms Search) to try some sarms, since it affects skeletal muscle tissue i hope this will work so be on the lookout next week.
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eClenbuterol
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sounds good! good luck
redsamurai
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GH should absolutely speed up the tendon repair....your body's own natural GH is what it's using right now to try to heal it. But the guys here are right that you can't let the GH lure you into thinking you can get back to the lifting sooner than the docs are telling you. But you can take all the GH you want, if you're not stimulating blood flow to the area it won't do any good. Go buy yourself a electrical stim unit that has "VERY" low settings. You don't want the high settings that make the muscle contract, just the low which stimulates blood flow to the area. But no matter what it's still going to take time.
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I would try some sarms from what i read its amazing stuff
chrisdivecchio
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great feedback again guys....i plan keeping in the gym but not messing with that arm til i get the green light....can't afford ANY setbacks.....i'll keep you updated on the SARMS
chrisdivecchio
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just went on the sarms site...no description...what is this stuff and how do you take it??? can't find any information
truckdaddy
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had a friend that used the sarms for a shoulder injury, he liked the results.
keep us updated.
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RADAR
Acetamidoxolutamideis a novel compound that is being studied and intended to be use as replacement for synthetic testosterone applied while on HRT ( Hormone Therapy Replacement ) Acetamidoxolutamide still going under trials and is not out in the market yet therefore this chemicals is considered a Research Chemical. This chemical is not on any list of controlled substances and it is a research chemical intended for academic and/or laboratory and animal use and not intended for human use.
Based on current clinical trials this research chemical's suggested dosage is of 1mg to 3mg per kilogram of body weight daily split in 2 or 3 dosages for up to 8 weeks
Brief highlights:
Acetamidoxolutamide is 91% orally Bio-available and is not methylated
Acetamidoxolutamide is fast acting and its half life is of 4 hours
Acetamidoxolutamide is MG per MG as anabolic as testosterone propionate with less than 1/3 its androgenic value
Acetamidoxolutamide activates and strongly binds to skeletal muscle receptors and does not affect heart, liver,skin prostate or other organ/tissue receptors and it also does not aromatize or disrupts normal hormonal production.
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truckdaddy
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JLA
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In my opinion, GH will help repair your tendon more quickly, just don't jump into things too fast if you do take it. It has been shown to increase collagen synthesis while running test only (without deca or eq in particular) can actually decrease collagen synthesis significantly. I have found academic studies backing up the fact that GH stimulates collagen synthesis, particularly in tendons, but have not found an article on the negative effects of testosterone only cycles - but then again, I haven't looked. If you stack with EQ, Deca or a few others, the effect is probably (again, IMO) offset depending on the relative dosages.
Here is a link related to that by AnimalMass:
http://forums./showthread.php?t=215127
Here is a link related to that by AnimalMass:
http://forums./showthread.php?t=215127
chrisdivecchio
C-Town
Thanks RADAR....great info!!! man, my head is all over the place with my stack...so now i am thinking of SARMS, var and HGH...does that sound like a descent stack??? was gonna throw some deca in but from the sound of the SARMS, i don't think i'll need it....remember, i am going to be training light and only lower body and left side along with cardio...i need to stay full, hard and lean while i go through this rehab with my arm....
fishn4life
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Guys,
I know it's been a few months since the last post. Been researching the threads and was hoping to get some feedback on this one. I have been Dx with a full thickness supraspinatus tear (rotator cuff tendon) and a superior labrum tear (rotator ligament). I am going to have surgery in a few weeks and am looking for some friendly rehabilitation help....
It sounds like SARMS would be beneficial when the time is right. Also, Chrisdivecchio - hows your rehab going? Any help or advise would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Fish
35yo M, 190 lbs, weightlifting 12+ years
I know it's been a few months since the last post. Been researching the threads and was hoping to get some feedback on this one. I have been Dx with a full thickness supraspinatus tear (rotator cuff tendon) and a superior labrum tear (rotator ligament). I am going to have surgery in a few weeks and am looking for some friendly rehabilitation help....
It sounds like SARMS would be beneficial when the time is right. Also, Chrisdivecchio - hows your rehab going? Any help or advise would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Fish
35yo M, 190 lbs, weightlifting 12+ years
