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why you think I am swelling up at my injection sites now? I mean, really bad. Like golf ball size. I am not like most people that get a dime size knot and say it is golf ball size, but I mean injecting 1cc and it swelling like 7ccs under the skin.

I am shooting S**** 200mg NPP and that was the first thing that started... now I am having the same swelling from Orbit test cyp 250mg.

It swells up and hurts bad. I am not exaggerating.

My injecting method is flawless and sterile.
 
bitches, I am serious here. I have baked this shit and it still swells up. fuck! Only 1 week into cycle too.
 
unless we could view the formulation (ie what oil, what preservative, what active, what excipients, what age, likelihood of microbial elements/spores etc etc) then we really cant help (well, not definitively anyway...speculation, youll get)

good luck :)
 
Does that S**** stand for Synthol? No wonder you're getting swelling!
 
GoldenDelicious said:
unless we could view the formulation (ie what oil, what preservative, what active, what excipients, what age, likelihood of microbial elements/spores etc etc) then we really cant help (well, not definitively anyway...speculation, youll get)

good luck :)
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2 different drugs, 2 different companies, same fucking pain and swelling. And the swelling is sticking around (and out) for about 5 days.
 
Apöllo said:
Does that S**** stand for Synthol? No wonder you're getting swelling!
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No, S**** is the company that makes 200mg NPP
 
ok then a feasable option for you is to get a new batch of pins and syringes, since that is probably the only thing in common between injections. sometimes you do get contamination in some batches of injecting gear, or a high(er) concentration/presence of something you are sensitive to. such sensitivities do develop over time (as you age) and can bear similarities to such things as contact dermatitis etc etc

another theory is that both companies are using the same raw materials (by fluke) and you happen to be sensitive to them. less likely, but happens.

cheers
 
this injection swelling stuff ls like the Big Foot mystery.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
ok then a feasable option for you is to get a new batch of pins and syringes, since that is probably the only thing in common between injections. sometimes you do get contamination in some batches of injecting gear, or a high(er) concentration/presence of something you are sensitive to. such sensitivities do develop over time (as you age) and can bear similarities to such things as contact dermatitis etc etc

another theory is that both companies are using the same raw materials (by fluke) and you happen to be sensitive to them. less likely, but happens.

cheers
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what can I do to make this gear useable?
 
Code said:
Are you using an implant gun to inject?
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lol



AAP, how long does the swelling last?

There is a clinically observed phenomenon known simply as ISR (injection site reaction) or recall-ISR. Chronic recall-ISR is a result of an adapted immune response. In some people, frequent injection of a single substance, though trouble free in the past, may finally evoke an inflammatory response. A similar thing can happen with food allergies. A person may eat peanuts for example for many years with no problem. One day they may consume a single peanut and have a severe reaction, having developed an allergy.

ISR can also be brought about by the injection of a new substance into the body. The body reacts with an inflammatory response to this new substance. Now, upon the injection of a previously trouble free substance the body reacts with the same immune response (recall-ISR).

I'd bet this is likely what is going on. Keep in mind that it could be a reaction from the gear, the syringe material, the syringe/plunger/pin lubricant, or very rarely the needle material.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
ok then a feasable option for you is to get a new batch of pins and syringes, since that is probably the only thing in common between injections. sometimes you do get contamination in some batches of injecting gear, or a high(er) concentration/presence of something you are sensitive to. such sensitivities do develop over time (as you age) and can bear similarities to such things as contact dermatitis etc etc

another theory is that both companies are using the same raw materials (by fluke) and you happen to be sensitive to them. less likely, but happens.

cheers
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The second line of thinking would be more accurate. The base is probably a common denominator in both types of gear.

I've been clean for 4 months now, with the exception of basal amount of test to keep from crashing.......but I still am not familiar with the shit your talking about. S****????? Another underground lab I guess........I'll stick to My Euro Gear thanks......... :)
 
Silent Method said:
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AAP, how long does the swelling last?

There is a clinically observed phenomenon known simply as ISR (injection site reaction) or recall-ISR. Chronic recall-ISR is a result of an adapted immune response. In some people, frequent injection of a single substance, though trouble free in the past, may finally evoke an inflammatory response. A similar thing can happen with food allergies. A person may eat peanuts for example for many years with no problem. One day they may consume a single peanut and have a severe reaction, having developed an allergy.

ISR can also be brought about by the injection of a new substance into the body. The body reacts with an inflammatory response to this new substance. Now, upon the injection of a previously trouble free substance the body reacts with the same immune response (recall-ISR).

I'd bet this is likely what is going on. Keep in mind that it could be a reaction from the gear, the syringe material, the syringe/plunger/pin lubricant, or very rarely the needle material.
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I've experienced this in the past.........but never to the extreme he's describing........golf ball size lumps never, a slight lump or raised bumps yes....

Incidentally ISR rears it's ugly head on my body with Tren......or homebrew Fina..........NEVER F**KNG AGAIN......... :)
 
try the anaboard... a
 
ZKaudio said:
try the anaboard... a
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People still go there??????

Oh and I almost forgot.......................there ain't a soul over there that knows his dick from a 22 gauge pin................. :)
 
Silent Method said:
lol



AAP, how long does the swelling last?

There is a clinically observed phenomenon known simply as ISR (injection site reaction) or recall-ISR. Chronic recall-ISR is a result of an adapted immune response. In some people, frequent injection of a single substance, though trouble free in the past, may finally evoke an inflammatory response. A similar thing can happen with food allergies. A person may eat peanuts for example for many years with no problem. One day they may consume a single peanut and have a severe reaction, having developed an allergy.

ISR can also be brought about by the injection of a new substance into the body. The body reacts with an inflammatory response to this new substance. Now, upon the injection of a previously trouble free substance the body reacts with the same immune response (recall-ISR).

I'd bet this is likely what is going on. Keep in mind that it could be a reaction from the gear, the syringe material, the syringe/plunger/pin lubricant, or very rarely the needle material.
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The swelling lasts about 5 days. No joke. And I am going to tell you exactly how hard of a knot it is under my skin. At 730 before I went out tonight, after showering, I was standing in the mirror and pushed my finger in the middle of the knot with a good bit of force. Now at 1145, 4+ hours later, the indention in the lump is STILL here. It almost looks like the beginning of a doughnut. Roundish with the sort of hollow mark where I pressed it in.
 
pitbullstl said:
.......but I still am not familiar with the shit your talking about. S****????? Another underground lab I guess
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Yes. They have been around a while and don't like their name posted. Think Toyota sports car.

I used their EQ and winstrol with nary a bruise or sting in the past.
 
pitbullstl said:
I've experienced this in the past.........but never to the extreme he's describing........golf ball size lumps never, a slight lump or raised bumps yes....

Incidentally ISR rears it's ugly head on my body with Tren......or homebrew Fina..........NEVER F**KNG AGAIN......... :)
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arent the bumps kind of normal with any gear?

i'm using homebrew tren right now for the first time, i'm finding it leaves some bumps in my delts that hang around. and they hurt for the first few days.

i also did some research and found that tren at concentrations of 100mg/ml or more tend to be painful.

seems shorter acting esters are more painful in general....prop, tren acetate, etc.


APP, you said you tried cutting with sterile oil right?

and didn't you say on the anabolic board that after you baked it, it didn't hurt anymore?
 
I baked it and posted the next day that it didn't hurt or swell. However, for some weird reason, the swelling was delayed. It showed up just as bad.

These are not bumps. But LUMPS. I mean the diameter of half dollars on me.
 
man, that shit makes me kind of weary of underground gear.....i would stick to human grade or even vet....you never know what's in that underground shite.
 
I doubt that this is it, BUT, where all have you been injecting? "Stay wiht me here"

It might be like that weirdo on Ripley's Beileve it or not who would inject a lot of saline solution or something into his forhead to make a huge lump and then press his thumb into it and go walking around.

"IF" by some ungoddly chance that you have missed the muscle, or went into an area next to a muscle where there is nothing but nothing each time, "which would be some hella crazy odds," and the gear just sat there without dispersing, that might be it...

OR, it just might be the beginnings of stigmata!!

Sorry, I have no idea. So don't listen to me, I am just blabbering again :-P

Whiskey
 
If you have a cool doctor, ask him. If not, I might consider stopping the cycle, waiting a period of time that would be long enough for all the half lives to have passed and just start over. Since it is only your 1st week you could probably salvage it pretty easy. I don't see any other options other than either just dealing with it, or stopping and starting up later.
 
I am shooting in chest and shoulders. My injections are perfect. No problems with the technique or location.
 
AAP said:
Yes. They have been around a while and don't like their name posted. Think Toyota sports car.

I used their EQ and winstrol with nary a bruise or sting in the past.
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Gotcha.......

As have I......at least the Winny.......

Quality control will always be an issue with labs like this though....

Not sure about the lump......and the only advice I have is something I am sure you have already done.........

When my bodyfat is sub 8% I have to massage the injection site for at least 5-10 minutes, otherwise it will sit on top of the muscle for up to a day before absorbing......or sometimes it will even leak out.....as far as the baking goes...it will help with pain, but not absorbtion...
 
jerkbox said:
man, that shit makes me kind of weary of underground gear.....i would stick to human grade or even vet....you never know what's in that underground shite.
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You preach the Gospel my man....... :)

By the way......nice toof.....
 
heheh, I doubt that he is missing the muscle too... however, a new thought, since he does have a lower BF, maybe he is injecting on the other side of the muscle. Once again I doubt it.

Shit, guys, just don't listen to me.

Whiskey
 
redshirt27se said:
try rotating inj. sites and see if this occurs in the other areas.
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I did. All four sites I have stuck have inflammed this way.

I do massage it too. Lots. And it still happens.

I can't take this.
 
There are seldom probs with Canadian UG labs. I'm wondering if it's the pins you are using. I like the idea of going out and getting different pins and trying again, since you're getting this identical phenomenon from two different drugs from two different companies. Or is the alcohol you're using to clean the inject sites somehow tainted???
 
AAP said:
what can I do to make this gear useable?
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it might not be the gear, it might be you. meaning youll have to get new gear. or like i said you might have developed some sort of sensitivity to your injecting apparatus, or it might be a bad batch of inject apparatus.

try some new syringes. if it still happens, its intrinsic to the gear.

without looking at the formulation like i said, a meaningful answer you will not find. simple as that

cheers
 
pitbullstl said:
The second line of thinking would be more accurate. The base is probably a common denominator in both types of gear.
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maybe but not for sure. i know of people who used rubber gloves for 30 years without a drama, and then over a couple months developed sensitivities and now cant go near rubber at all without turning red. same with aspirin. fine for 30 years, then all of a sudden, itchy throat, swelling...

thats the trouble with this underground shit. you just dont know what is in it and so you cant assess it for shit
 
and also if you are injecting in the same areas too much you may have built up scar tissue, and this may be irritating to the area as it is difficult to disperse the oil.

Next time warm the gear using a hair dryer and try taking your shots right after getting a hot shower. This should help alot!

RADAR
 
I have never used NPP or test cyp before. I wish I knew where I could get ONE amp of human grade cyp to inject and see if it does the same.

I have not injected in about 7 months. So I don't think it has a lot of scar tissue there.
 
yeah you could try that. it would eliminate a few variables to be sure

good luck, it must be frustrating

on the other hand, you look entirely too good for my likeing, so maybe its a good thing ;)
 
GoldenDelicious said:
ok then a feasable option for you is to get a new batch of pins and syringes, since that is probably the only thing in common between injections. sometimes you do get contamination in some batches of injecting gear, or a high(er) concentration/presence of something you are sensitive to. such sensitivities do develop over time (as you age) and can bear similarities to such things as contact dermatitis etc etc

another theory is that both companies are using the same raw materials (by fluke) and you happen to be sensitive to them. less likely, but happens.

cheers
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Kid, lol....you're so wet-behind th ears its incredible. You have no idea as to what he's talking about.

Its the BA content. You are very sensitive to it. BA is an irrritant. BA never used to affect me till I made a 150mg/ml fina(High BA), and I always got knots every time I injected. Never used to happen with my old 75mg/ml yield fina conversions.

You could always ask you know who and ask him for the BA content of the NPP. That might give you an idea. Normally 1-2% BA is painless for most.
 
Fonz said:
Kid, lol....you're so wet-behind th ears its incredible. You have no idea as to what he's talking about.

Its the BA content. You are very sensitive to it. BA is an irrritant. BA never used to affect me till I made a 150mg/ml fina(High BA), and I always got knots every time I injected. Never used to happen with my old 75mg/ml yield fina conversions.

You could always ask you know who and ask him for the BA content of the NPP. That might give you an idea. Normally 1-2% BA is painless for most.
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Or you could cut your gear with a small amount of lidocaine.....works awesomely for pain relief and swelling.

Fonz
 
Golf ball sized huh? That sounds like one penis-sized needle you've got there. Wink Wink.

I WAS using Primo and finally just said - Fuck This. I was walking around like some old man and my ass had a nice size lump on it for nearly a week. And not to mention bruised looking. It was just ugly and I have a sweet ass too . . . and it's just not good to have a sweet ass looking the way that it was . . .

Yeah, I know, I'm a puss - but a good one bitches.
 
I've never had lumps like that before myself. My swelling is usually gigantic and spready. For instance, with high BA stuff shot in the shoulder, my shoulder would swell and then over about 3 days it would spread down to my elbow, which looked disgusting as fuck let me tell you. Anyways, it took another 3 or 4 days to go down. You could throw some other gear in to dilute it. Or even just get more sterile oil and shoot with 0.5cc of that along with the rest of it. Have you tried isolating each type of gear you are using and then shooting each individually to find out which on eis causing the problem? That way at least, you wouldn't have to stop both steroids in case you can't solve the problem. I have been wondering about Orbit myself. I was thinking of trying some of their eq maybe. The price is reasonable which makes me suspicious since eq is normally expensive as hell, if for no other reason than it is a liquid in its raw form and hence is more difficult to transport. I'm not saying Orbit isn't good stuff since I have heard nothing about them as of yet, I'm merely asking about your (or anyone else's) opinions of their products.
 
If it truly has a high BA content, then Fonz is correct, hence the painful injections with Prop. back in the day...Grab some good injectable B-12 and shoot that along with it...Great for the mental train of thoughts, and makes ya eat like a horse my man...

Peace,

Ranger
 
Seriously: dilute, dilute, dilute. The sterile oil is a good call, but since I am a sucker for B-12, I would follow Rangers trail and get the added benefit.
 
Fonz said:
Kid, lol....you're so wet-behind th ears its incredible. You have no idea as to what he's talking about.

Its the BA content. You are very sensitive to it. BA is an irrritant. BA never used to affect me till I made a 150mg/ml fina(High BA), and I always got knots every time I injected. Never used to happen with my old 75mg/ml yield fina conversions.

You could always ask you know who and ask him for the BA content of the NPP. That might give you an idea. Normally 1-2% BA is painless for most.
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hey, how did you get the keys to your cage?

AAP is a fairly long time aas user, and as such, has in all likelihood been exposed to reasonable concentrations of BA in the past, and the problem has not eventuated. I said earlier that unless i have the formulation in front of me (in front of ANY of us) any response will be speculative only.

it is fairly unlikely that he has 2 products from 2 companies and BOTH of those products have such a high BA concentration as to be problematic, in light of the fact that he has been fairly heavily exposed in the past to all manner of products, and therefore probably would have come up against such concentrations in the past. therefore, a rational diagnostician (not you, amoeba boy) would search for a common thread between the different cases and try to eliminate that (in this case, injecting apparatus) BEFORE going out on a limb and saying that there is an inordinate amount of BA in both products.

furthermore, the concept of increased sensitivity to one of the formulative excipients does extend to BA.

wet behind the ears, my solid ass.
 
ok... I didn't think cyp was a short ester.. it shouldn't crystalize right???

I did seperate the two and shot both independently one day apart. Each time, the NPP would cause the reaction. The first two times, the test cyp didn't do it, but the third time it did. Badly.

I baked the NPP at 250 degrees for 20 mins twice so that should have taken some of the BA out right? And when I shot it. It only delayed the onset of the lump and pain. Instead of it hitting the next morning, it was the morning after. I got a one day reprieve until it swole up.

If I stretch my arm over my head, my chest looks like it has a nose on it. The lump is that fucking big.
 
The Ranger said:
If it's that bad, I'd personally dump that shit my man....

Ranger
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I am not shooting anymore.

I would love to get one human grade amp of test cyp and one amp of dubol to shoot them and see if I have the same reaction.

I have never used any kind of test or nandrolone before. So I am wondering if it is the drug itself.
 
bro, get some human grade cyp and NPP or deca. if you have the same problems, you know it's not the gear, and save it for your next cycle. if you don't have the problems, throw that UG shit away, and continue with the human grade.

and no, cyp is not a short ester.
 
any of the test esters will be in the body as crystals. thats how depot injections work. the oil is absorbed quickly, leaving a depot of crystals at the site.

you case sounds a tad strange. the fact that you got a 1 day reprieve fairly well eliminates any sort of immediate irritation as the source of the problem. it seems there is an element of something becoming more concentrated as time goes on (the active agent, or a contaminant, or even a microbe...anything but the base/oil which gets absorbed and removed from the site)

if it was something to do with the inject apparatus then you wouldnt expect a 1 day delay...so might as well rule that out...unless it was just a lucky syringe. not sure.

furthermore it isnt consistent that an irritant which is part of the formulation wouldnt irritate the first two times, and then did irritate the third time.....oh hang on, maybe there is some sort of antigen in your product which your body is picking up....might be an inert compound (ie a plastic, or some sort of particulate matter) or it might be microbial...hmmmmmmmm gotta think for a while

fucken hate underground stuff. morons making gear in their kitchens.

ill have a think about it, but nothing about this is terribly clear.
 
AAP said:
why you think I am swelling up at my injection sites now? I mean, really bad. Like golf ball size. I am not like most people that get a dime size knot and say it is golf ball size, but I mean injecting 1cc and it swelling like 7ccs under the skin.

I am shooting S**** 200mg NPP and that was the first thing that started... now I am having the same swelling from Orbit test cyp 250mg.

It swells up and hurts bad. I am not exaggerating.

My injecting method is flawless and sterile.
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Stop using and this won't happen sir.
 
havoc said:
Stop using and this won't happen sir.
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I agree with the following exception...three bong hits after every injection....never once had a prob doing it that way....

Waddup Havoc my man, hope God's Hippie Cabbage is treating you well as always!!

Peace,


Ranger
 
The Ranger said:
I agree with the following exception...three bong hits after every injection....never once had a prob doing it that way....

Waddup Havoc my man, hope God's Hippie Cabbage is treating you well as always!!

Peace,


Ranger
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My main mountaineer, what's the deal?

Hope you are well!

PeAcE
 
I have been getting larger than average swelling in my delts lately also. Switched to glutes and there's no problem. I know this may not help much, but might try a new inj site.
 
Redness & Swelling can be signs of an infection. But the best indicator is if the bump is warm to the touch or tender.

In all honesty, I would post this over on the Anabolic Board - you'll get a better answer as everyone is serious over there about this stuff. If you are that concerned go to a doctor ASAP, tell them you did a B12 injection...
 
Man, I'm clean and never used, but threads like this scare the hell out of me. You guys have more balls than I do.

I have no advice, as I know nothing about this stuff. Hope it works out for you.
 
AAP said:
what can I do to make this gear useable?
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I would buy 2 new precrimped sterile vials and a millipore .22 micron filter and run both through a filter. Just to be on the safe side. I have noticed when making my own products that when I compare them to a lot of UG labs, it is obvious that many of them are not filtering their product.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
any of the test esters will be in the body as crystals. thats how depot injections work. the oil is absorbed quickly, leaving a depot of crystals at the site.

you case sounds a tad strange. the fact that you got a 1 day reprieve fairly well eliminates any sort of immediate irritation as the source of the problem. it seems there is an element of something becoming more concentrated as time goes on (the active agent, or a contaminant, or even a microbe...anything but the base/oil which gets absorbed and removed from the site)

if it was something to do with the inject apparatus then you wouldnt expect a 1 day delay...so might as well rule that out...unless it was just a lucky syringe. not sure.

furthermore it isnt consistent that an irritant which is part of the formulation wouldnt irritate the first two times, and then did irritate the third time.....oh hang on, maybe there is some sort of antigen in your product which your body is picking up....might be an inert compound (ie a plastic, or some sort of particulate matter) or it might be microbial...hmmmmmmmm gotta think for a while

fucken hate underground stuff. morons making gear in their kitchens.

ill have a think about it, but nothing about this is terribly clear.
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NPP = crystalizes????


hahahahahahahaha....

Too funny.

Its not the NPP its good old AAP.

He needs a 1% or so BA content for him not to get knots. As you know who and he might be able to accomodate you.
 
pitbullstl said:
People still go there??????

Oh and I almost forgot.......................there ain't a soul over there that knows his dick from a 22 gauge pin................. :)
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HAHA! That is anabolic humor!
 
The_Eviscerator said:
I would buy 2 new precrimped sterile vials and a millipore .22 micron filter and run both through a filter. Just to be on the safe side. I have noticed when making my own products that when I compare them to a lot of UG labs, it is obvious that many of them are not filtering their product.
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SUpra I know for a fact does, but you can never be too cautious.

You can bake it at 250F for 8 hours. reducing the BA to < .1% then filter it. If after that you get a not AAP, you are a genetic freak. :)
 
Fonz said:
SUpra I know for a fact does, but you can never be too cautious.

You can bake it at 250F for 8 hours. reducing the BA to < .1% then filter it. If after that you get a not AAP, you are a genetic freak. :)
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You can bake gear this long without hurting it??
 
< .1% then filter it. If after that you get a not AAP, you are a genetic freak. :)[/QUOTE]


the word is "Knot"



RADAR
 
psychedout said:
You can bake gear this long without hurting it??
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Yes, gear like nandrolone, tren, test are all molecularly sound at temps of 250F. The melt at around 330-375F.

Minimum baking temp is 212F(100C). I just chose 250F because its worked for me in the past very well when sterilizing Fina and reducing the BA content.
I wrote a thread about it om the A-board once about the high BA content of Fina conversions post-filterin(6-8%)....which is dangerous over time.
 
Fonz said:
NPP = crystalizes????


hahahahahahahaha....

Too funny.

Its not the NPP its good old AAP.

He needs a 1% or so BA content for him not to get knots. As you know who and he might be able to accomodate you.
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you have a big problem there mate, apart from not knowing what the fuck you are on about. read the post again.
 
bake for 8 hours? damn. Ok... what if I bake for just 2 hours... is that good enough? It seems heat that long would be harmful... I mean we are always told to store it at room tempature.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
you have a big problem there mate, apart from not knowing what the fuck you are on about. read the post again.
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I know the EXACT company who makes the NPP, have used it, and you sit there and try to lecture me on its effects?

hahahahahaha.............go back to kangaroo land....I believe its Darwin, Australia isn't it? Go hang with those Kangaroo's and maybe you'll learn how foolish you've just made yourself look.

This is reall funny....wait till S**** learns of this one...hahahahahah
 
AAP said:
bake for 8 hours? damn. Ok... what if I bake for just 2 hours... is that good enough? It seems heat that long would be harmful... I mean we are always told to store it at room tempature.
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Bump for this.
 
psychedout said:
Bump for this.
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Chemical bonds for NPP remain stable at 8 hrs (Temperature = 250F or approx. 395 Kelvins)...but try 2 hours. your call. If you still get a knot. Try 4 hours andon...until you don't get one.

I do have to say, you are the weirdest case of BA sensitivity I have ever seen. :)

I used to get these huge knots with animals 500mg/ml Alcar 5ml's at a time with a 5/8 " needle.
 
Fonz said:
Chemical bonds for NPP remain stable at 8 hrs (Temperature = 250F or approx. 395 Kelvins)...but try 2 hours. your call. If you still get a knot. Try 4 hours andon...until you don't get one.

I do have to say, you are the weirdest case of BA sensitivity I have ever seen. :)

I used to get these huge knots with animals 500mg/ml Alcar 5ml's at a time with a 5/8 " needle.
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I never got these reactions from S**** EQ or Winstrol. But damn, not jus them, but Orbit too.
 
Ok... this is my NEXT step.

I am going to go back to a glute shot. (though I have to get someone to do it for me). I am going to shoot 1cc NPP 200mg and 1cc 250mg in the same depot site.

Someone suggested that maybe I was not getting deep enough into the muscle and some of the juice was leaking out into the lymph system and irritating it. So using a 1.5" on my glute will really get me into the muscle.

If this fails and results in the same kind of inflammation/knot/pain, I am just giving up.
 
I doubt that it's. I use a 1.5 but then I have a 1" layer of ass blubber to get thru. As lean as you are you could probably get by with a 1/2".
 
I still say to warm it up and shoot after a hot shower. This lessens pain and the oil is assorbed better.

Also as Fonz suggested baking to decrease the B A content after that all you can do is delute it with something else.


RADAR
 
jerkbox said:
did you bake it bro?
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Yes, I did bake it.

This is it... tonight I am shooting for the last time... wish my ass luck. (literally)
 
UPDATE - the morning after.

I shot about 1AM last night... it is 9am now. 2ccs in the right glute. Right now, it feels like a little bump. Like a normal inject site. However, last time I used it, it took an extra day to swell up and inflame. We will see how it goes tomorrow.

On the plus side, the lump in my chest (that looked like my pec had a nose) has gone down some. You can still see the outline of it when I put on a polo shirt over it though.
 
XBiker said:
Sounds like high solvent content.

Baking will do little, if anything.
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Err...the solvent of any AAS would be sterile oil......I don't see how he could be sensitive to the kind of sterile oil in his AAS.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
i get the impression he is talking about solute
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Analogy, you put NaCL in H20(Water) in a 1.0M solution. 58.4g/L

The water(the biggest constituent which dissolves the NaCL) is the solvent.

Same thing applies here. Everything is quasi dissolved in the oil, making it the solvent. The BA/OIL misture is an emulsion(without the AAS). Different inertial densities as liquids therefore they will not create a homogeneous mixture no matter how much you try. You could try adding a catalyst to make the BA/Oil mixture into a homogeneous liquid, but that is difficult to do and expensive.
The solute in the case of an AAS mixture would be the BA+actual AAS content.(The AAS dissolves into the BA and oil mixture at certain ratios), depending on the potency mg/ml.)
 
Ok... as of 5PM today... this last inject is following the same route as the previous one... just a delay on the swelling/inflammation part.

I now have a quarter sized knot under there. Very hard, very warm and very painful.

Now just to test the theory, the guy that injected me last night (remember, I can't do glutes shots myself without horrilbe cramps in my lats) took a shot of the same mix. 1cc 200mg NPP, 1cc 250mg test cyp. 1.5" 25g in the glutes. Yes, we aspirated.

Also, he brought over syringes that were not of the same brand as mine. So now I have tried the theory of the materials (syringes, etc..) being the culprit. He has swelling too.

I am going to have him come over again tonight if his is as bad as mine (will be later, if history is any indication) and I am going to take a picture so you guys will know I am not joking or exaggerating the slightest.
 
AAP said:
Ok... as of 5PM today... this last inject is following the same route as the previous one... just a delay on the swelling/inflammation part.

I now have a quarter sized knot under there. Very hard, very warm and very painful.

Now just to test the theory, the guy that injected me last night (remember, I can't do glutes shots myself without horrilbe cramps in my lats) took a shot of the same mix. 1cc 200mg NPP, 1cc 250mg test cyp. 1.5" 25g in the glutes. Yes, we aspirated.

Also, he brought over syringes that were not of the same brand as mine. So now I have tried the theory of the materials (syringes, etc..) being the culprit. He has swelling too.

I am going to have him come over again tonight if his is as bad as mine (will be later, if history is any indication) and I am going to take a picture so you guys will know I am not joking or exaggerating the slightest.
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I think my original post said it best.........

It ain't the pins.....it's the gear.........sounds like bunk crap to me.....

A reaction from BA content will not cause the "hard but still able to make indentations in lump"

While I am not a chemist like the ol' Fonzarooney........

I would place a large amount of money that I have injected more crap in to my body than 99.7% of this board........so speaking from an assload........(get it) .....of experience........I would say drop the shit ya got....and get with some decent gear.

I did read between the lines of your post, in which you said you wished you had 1 amp of human grade cyp......and if I had it brother it would be yours.....(totally a statement for entertainment purposes only)....but since I'm trying to go clean......errrrr..........ok...cleanish..........all I'm on is some good ol' T-250.......to keep the ol' test levels from bottoming out.......

Find some decent human grade gear......or at least a decent Vet Pharma.....and you should be good to go........ :)
 
AAP said:
Yes. They have been around a while and don't like their name posted. Think Toyota sports car.

I used their EQ and winstrol with nary a bruise or sting in the past.
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supra!
 
Fonz said:
Analogy, you put NaCL in H20(Water) in a 1.0M solution. 58.4g/L

The water(the biggest constituent which dissolves the NaCL) is the solvent.

Same thing applies here. Everything is quasi dissolved in the oil, making it the solvent. The BA/OIL misture is an emulsion(without the AAS). Different inertial densities as liquids therefore they will not create a homogeneous mixture no matter how much you try. You could try adding a catalyst to make the BA/Oil mixture into a homogeneous liquid, but that is difficult to do and expensive.
The solute in the case of an AAS mixture would be the BA+actual AAS content.(The AAS dissolves into the BA and oil mixture at certain ratios), depending on the potency mg/ml.)
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oh God you just dont learn. you presume to try to explain things to someone who knows better.

im not going to flame you, i have had enough of you. your info is off by a country mile, though.

the same thing does not apply here, because we re talking about suspensions. your 'analogy' is irrelevant because the 'solvent' we re talking about in fact is referred to as the 'liquid or oil phase'. im not going to explain any more. cant be stuffed.

i was pointing out that the guy probably got his wires crossed, but you know, i just dont give a shit anyway.

go ahead and act smart, i wish i could believe my own bullshit too. it would make my life easier. and im not being insulting. its true. it would be a great escape. just lock yourself in your room and make yourself believe you are the greatest. beats the hell out of dealing with life
 
Ok.... this mornings update. I now have progressed (true to form) to a half dollar size knot. Yes it sticks out like a fucking mofo. In my boxers, it looks like I am carrying a wallet back there. It sticks out a good degree because although I have a ghetto booty (read : nice, round, and to die for - just don't) I don't have a lot of fat on it. (I bet I have more veins on my ass than some people have on their forearms.

The guy I injected told me that he is having swelling too and it is really bad. I am going to try to get a picture of his ass. He says he is turning red in the area too. I have a lump but no redness (yet) He is a powerlifter and has a bit more fat on the rear than I so even if we did miss his muscle, I know it went into mine.

No more of this stuff for me.
 
Why can't you shoot a lower MG amount in one place?Make it 2 or 3 injections in different parts.

Golden Delicious,
do oil based esterified hormones crystallize at the injection site like Winstrol does?If they do this could be AAP's problem - the steroid itself causing pain and not just the BA.
 
posthuman said:
Why can't you shoot a lower MG amount in one place?Make it 2 or 3 injections in different parts.
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Actually, I have tried this. Did 1/2 cc in each delt last week. And same results.
 
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