help with nolva/pct?

[Blicki]

It's been years since I was last on.

I'm planning on running testosterone propionate 100 and NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - 100 EOD for 8 weeks.

I can't quite recall the Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - PCT - post cycle therapy - protocol that I used years ago when I cycled last.

Does 40/daily week 1, 40/daily week 2, 20 daily week 3 & 20 daily week 4 sound right?

With those testosterone propionate/NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - doses is it recommended to use HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - or can I get away with just Nolva? Thanks

 

[nydj66]

Your PCT dosages are fine although I personally prefer clomid for PCT. Plus with clomid you don't have to worry about nolvadex upregulating your progesterone receptors and having the NPP prolong your recovery.

I definitely would use HCG during or after any nandrolone or trenbolone cycle.

 

[daveyboy2345]

you dont ever need to use more than 40 mgs of nolva for more than 1 week, so will tell you 20mgs is plenty.

 

[Primordial Performance]

Good choice on the short acting nandrolone ester. This will be a good for PCT.

Using androgens and progestins together (such as test and nandrolone) will always shut down LH/FSH harder than using either one of them alone, so make sure to use hCG to keep the testes active during the cycle. Use hCG for 6 weeks in the middle of the cycle. 200iu EOD is the best protocol IMO, but 500iu once a week will work too.

I don’t like nolva, but if your going to use it, then 10-20mg ED for 3-4 weeks would be all you would need. Nvdj66 is right though, clomid would probably be a better choice. (25mg/day) Derma Sustain is another alternative too and you could stack this with either nolva or clomid.

-Pp

 

[Primordial Performance]

oops

 

[Blicki]

Good choice on the short acting nandrolone ester. This will be a good for PCT - post cycle therapy - .

Using androgens and progestins together (such as test and nandrolone) will always shut down lh - leutenizing hormone - /FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - harder than using either one of them alone, so make sure to use HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - to keep the testes active during the cycle. Use hCG for 6 weeks in the middle of the cycle. 200iu EOD is the best protocol IMO, but 500iu once a week will work too.

I don’t like Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - , but if your going to use it, then 10-20mg ED for 3-4 weeks would be all you would need. Nvdj66 is right though, clomid would probably be a better choice. (25mg/day) Derma Sustain is another alternative too and you could stack this with either Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - or clomid.

-Pp

Thanks. So 6 weeks hcg in the middle of the cycle is all I'll need. My thought behind nolva for PCT was in case I needed to use some during if gyno shows. I never used clomid for gyno, does it work as well? If so I'll go strictly with Clomid. However, the clomid pct I've used in the past has been something like 100/100/50/50 (daily x 4wk) Some of you are saying that's too much. It would be very helpful if someone could please tip me to a better Clomid pct (amount & duration) Thanks again

 

[Primordial Performance]

Thanks. So 6 weeks HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - in the middle of the cycle is all I'll need. My thought behind Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - for PCT - post cycle therapy - was in case I needed to use some during if gynecomastia shows. I never used clomid for gynecomastia, does it work as well? If so I'll go strictly with Clomid. However, the clomid PCT - post cycle therapy - I've used in the past has been something like 100/100/50/50 (daily x 4wk) Some of you are saying that's too much. It would be very helpful if someone could please tip me to a better Clomid PCT - post cycle therapy - (amount & duration) Thanks again

That’s another thing I dislike about testosterone and nandrolone combos – they make gyno hard to avoid.

Really, you shouldn’t be running an AAS cycle that puts you at risk for gyno and requires the use of nolva or clomid. These are toxic drugs which you want to avoid as much as possible. Re-consider your AAS choices. For instance, replace the Deca with a non-progestin such as EQ, masteron or primo. If you already got the AAS I would opt for low dose arimidex for gyno prevention instead of nolva or clomid

For my PCT Id just run Derma Sustain, but you could do 25mg/day clomid instead or run the two together. You don’t need 100mg/day… that is way too much and will only increase your chance of getting side effects.

-Pp