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Which one should I choose?


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Mr. dB

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Monday I test-drove four cars:

VW GTI
Mazdaspeed3
Subaru Impreza WRX Sport Wagon
Audi A3

I liked them all in different ways, and could live with any of these cars. I'll post my impressions later, which one would you choose and why? Got any other ideas for circa-$25K cars? I am only considering hatchbacks, hatchback coupes, or wagons.
 
Being a Subaru owner and having been a VW and Audi owner, I'd say go with the Subie.

I totalled an STi (fuckdamnshitpiss) which was I think the best car for the money. Now I'm driving a 99 Impreza RS that's been cammed, pulleyed, cold air intake, high flow exhaust, and performance clutch with light weight flywheel. It's faster than a WRX now. The only problem I've had is oil leaked from a seal when I first got the car and was replaced free, and the left rear wheel bearing went twice. That was my own fault for rallying the hell out of the thing in a canyon.
 
Here are my impressions from the road tests:

(1) I drove the VW first. It is very impressive. The chassis is refined and solid, the steering quick and communicative. This car was fresh out of dealer prep, so the engine was tight so there were limits to how far I was comfortable pushing it, but it seemed nice enough. The car corners flat and sticks like glue. The interior is comfortable and the quality of the surfaces and materials is high.

(B) Next was the Mazda, since the Mazda dealer was right next to the VW shop. This car is a hooligan. It has the most horsepower of this group and it shows. Very well behaved in the corners too, even flatter than the VW. But the interior is dark, dark, dark, depressingly dark and gloomy. I'd need new bifocals to drive and read the gauges at the same time, they seem to be down a deep tunnell, partially obscured by the steering wheel, and the red-on-black writing has poor contrast. I couldn't see to find the controls. Visibility out of the car is poor, I think it's a parking lot fender bender waiting to happen. Its lowered suspension is an issue with curbs and speed bumps too.

(III) Subaru. Sitting in this car is the polar opposite to the Mazda. The windows are big, the sills are low, it's light and airy and inviting. The surface materials and textures look and feel cheap, and the seats are kind of thin, but they seem supportive enough. Overall, the interior is a very nice place to be. On the road, this car seems to have zero learning curve, it's immediately familiar and easy to drive. I was asked to keep the revs below 4000 since the engine wasn't broken in, so there was a lot of what this car has to offer that I wasn't able to explore. However, the chassis feels soft and the steering is a little numb or over-assisted. It'll still go wherever you point it, and stick to the road with grace, but it doesn't dare you to push it the way the VW does. It's very user friendly though, all the controls are in the right places and don't require a lot of consulting with the owner's manual to figure things out. This is a very likeable car, and it'd be easy to run as a daily driver/grocery getter that will also get down when you wanna.

(d) The Audi was beautiful. Considering that it's built on the same platform as the VW, it's hard to believe they share anything at all. The interior is as light and inviting as the Subaru, with top quality materials too. The seating position wasn't like the VW, VWs always have that kitchen-chair-high upright posture thing, the Audi was more normal. The only one they had on the lot was an automatic though, and didn't have the handling option package. It's more of a small luxury car than a hot hatch, but it's a great little car.
 
Gymgurl said:
American??

American what? What does America have to offer against ANY of the cars listed above? Focus? Cobalt SS? Caliber??? Rustang? No thanks!
 
is the vw assembled in mexico? if so....pass it up.
 
Process of elimination:

First to go was the Mazda. It's the best car of the four on the road, a real boy racer. But it also looks like a boy racer. A RICE-boy racer. It looks like a modified econobox. And the interior, which is where I'd be spending all my time with it, is not a nice place. This car had the highest high marks and the lowest low marks of the group. It's also the best bargain. But I don't really want it.

Next to go is the Audi. By the time you add the $2K S-Line sport suspension option to get its performance up to the level of the GTI, it's a $28K car. It's nice, it may even be worth that, but that's out of my range. It is the nicest car of this batch, but I can't justify the price when the similar VW is so much less expensive.

So I'm stuck between the VW and the Subaru. I went into this thing wanting the Subaru, but I'm more impressed by the VW. Both cars have a lot going for them. The Subaru has more power, and it's got the AWD thing going for it for our rainy season and the two snow days/year. The interior is very pleasant and inviting, but cheap. The VW has a much sharper chassis. I'm not sure if it's actually faster through the tight corners than the Subaru, but it feels like it is. The Subaru will go where you tell it, and it sticks, but the VW invites you, DARES you to floor it when you approach a corner.

Another issue is that the Subaru is a six year old car, due to be replaced by a new model in August or September. So if I buy the WRX, in just a few months it will be obsolescent, and I might be kicking myself saying "why couldn't I have waited" when I start seeing the new ones on the road. On the other hand, the 2008 WRX is fucking ugly. It looks like a Mazda 3 that melted in the sun. But if it has a tight, responsive chassis that addresses all my concerns about the WRX's "softness", I'll have buyer remorse.

In contrast, the VW GTI is new for 2007, so it won't be made obsolescent for a few years to come. The VW is also a couple grand cheaper, it seems like a better deal for a higher-end product than the Subaru. But there is the issue of VW reliability. They have had a spotty record for the past decade or so, although it seems to be improving lately. The Subaru, on the other hand, can boast Honda/Toyota levels of reliability.

I could flip a coin and be happy with either choice. But right now I have the feeling that I'll be second-guessing myself less if I go with the VW.
 
i put more emphasis on interior then exteriors of cars.....inside is where i spend 99% of my automotive time. recent audi's cars appear to have interiors that would rival a packard, if they had survived. (packards were known for their comfoprtable, luxurious interiors, well constructed with high quality materials)


BUT.........

they ain't cheap, are they!!! on my civil service time serving budget, i'd have to go with the v-dub.

vw's spotty reliability record had been brought on largely by their poorly assembled mexican products.....i recall seeing some rabbits and jettas so badly made that they made chevy's look great by comparisom. as u r considering a german assembled model, this shouldn't be a problem for you.


have u driven the civic SI or the new sentra SER?
 
rnch said:
i put more emphasis on interior then exteriors of cars.....inside is where i spend 99% of my automotive time. recent audi's cars appear to have interiors that would rival a packard, if they had survived. (packards were known for their comfoprtable, luxurious interiors, well constructed with high quality materials)


BUT.........

they ain't cheap, are they!!! on my civil service time serving budget, i'd have to go with the v-dub.

vw's spotty reliability record had been brought on largely by their poorly assembled mexican products.....i recall seeing some rabbits and jettas so badly made that they made chevy's look great by comparisom. as u r considering a german assembled model, this shouldn't be a problem for you.

Just on first impression, the GTI's construction quality APPEARS excellent, inside and out.

The Audi, of course, was very very nice. Its interior quality is as good as a BMW or MB easily. Too bad about the price.


rnch said:
have u driven the civic SI or the new sentra SER?

I'm only considering hatchback sedans, hatchback coupes, and wagons. The Civic is a non-hatch coupe, the Sentra is a non-hatch sedan. I'm avoiding test-driving the Civic because I KNOW I'll like it. I've had Hondas for over ten years and it will feel instantly comfortable and familiar. But it's ugly, it's not a hatch, it's ugly, it looks like a girl car, it's ugly, I don't like the dealer, and it's ugly. If Acura hadn't discontinued the RSX-S at the end of the 2006 model year, it would be at the top of my list. I might not have even bothered to test-drive the competition. In my town, Acura and Subaru are sold and serviced by the same dealer, a branch office of our local long-standing Mercedes franchise, and their service is similarly high-end oriented.

In my process of elimination, I tried to weigh the positive and negative aspects of each car. Except that I didn't have any negatives to count against the VW.
 
WRX is an awesome car, my buddy has one and I love it when he lets me drive. Just about the smoothest ride you'll find at 150mph+.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
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