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lartinos
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I thought Hedo was outplaying Lebron, but Lebron came through there at the end. Props to him
didnt get to watch it, but lebron is my fav player. how did he do?
canadianhitman
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With the Cavs down by two and only one second left on the clock, he took an inbound pass and drained a 3 to win the game.
canadianhitman
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Shades of MJ
redsamurai
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None of you even know how much that shot affected people here in NE ohio. After we watched Hedo drain that running jumper, everyone just shut down....it was Jordan's shot all over again. None of you can imagine the reaction that shot had here in this area. I've never witnessed that kind of an explosion in a bar before. It was ridiculous. We're the ones who are usually on the receiving end of those kinds of shots. Lebron is a freak.
On a side, but realistic, note.......the cavs are in trouble. They really should have lost that game. I was completely stunned by the open 3 point looks that Hedo and Lewis were getting the last 5 minutes of the game. I mean of all the god damn players on the floor, you're letting those dudes take "wide open" 3's?? To say "wtf" is an understatement. It's like the magic use the first half to gauge who's got the hot hand, and in the second half they just feed the ball to the hot player or players. And of course it's one of their 3 point shooting freaks. Why the cavs even care about Hedo or Lewis shooting a 15 ft jumper is beyond me. Let them do that, just don't let them get in their 3 point shooting grooves. The only way the magic win is by shooting the lights out from 3 point land, take that away and the cavs win easy.
On a side, but realistic, note.......the cavs are in trouble. They really should have lost that game. I was completely stunned by the open 3 point looks that Hedo and Lewis were getting the last 5 minutes of the game. I mean of all the god damn players on the floor, you're letting those dudes take "wide open" 3's?? To say "wtf" is an understatement. It's like the magic use the first half to gauge who's got the hot hand, and in the second half they just feed the ball to the hot player or players. And of course it's one of their 3 point shooting freaks. Why the cavs even care about Hedo or Lewis shooting a 15 ft jumper is beyond me. Let them do that, just don't let them get in their 3 point shooting grooves. The only way the magic win is by shooting the lights out from 3 point land, take that away and the cavs win easy.
Lambruh
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Samurai, the Magic's offense are a complete mismatch for the Cavs D, they have bigs that can run and shoot from the perimeter, not only that, but their bigs can break down any player on the Cavs (outside LBJ, Sasha) penetrate, drive and swing.
Andy needs to stop complaining on the offensive end and get back on defense, it cost us on a bunch of occasions.
Mike Brown better get his substitutions in order. He looks a bit lost with the rotation. He left the starters out there too long in the 3rd, I was saying he should've subbed out at the 7 or 8 min mark.
Lebron HAS to check Lewis or Hedo starting in the 3rd. Both of those guys can't get hot, you can live with one
Stop switching all the time on pick 'n rolls. Stop showing with the big on pick 'n rolls, especially Z. When it's a Howard and Hedo or whomever PNR, who's ever guarding Howard, sag, give room from Howard, the person being screened go over the top, don't let them get off a 3. I don't care if they shoot a mid range two.
Sasha is gonna have to get more time checking Hedo or Lewis. Too much switching and collapsing the paint in the 2nd half had our guys confused and possibly tired.
Our bigs just aren't used to guarding the 3pt line or being out that far for a majority of time, but they better get used to it in this series.
I don't know how hard it is to sprint back on defense and defend your man. Z is basically worthless against this team, even on the offensive end imho. I rather see Darnell Jackson checking Dwight, DJ is tough, Z is getting banged around, Wallace is holding his own, but with Wallace and Andy on the floor together, that leaves 3 offensive players, 2 of which are struggling, the bench is nowhere to be found. So basically on offense it's Lebron vs. Orlando's 5
Andy needs to stop complaining on the offensive end and get back on defense, it cost us on a bunch of occasions.
Mike Brown better get his substitutions in order. He looks a bit lost with the rotation. He left the starters out there too long in the 3rd, I was saying he should've subbed out at the 7 or 8 min mark.
Lebron HAS to check Lewis or Hedo starting in the 3rd. Both of those guys can't get hot, you can live with one
Stop switching all the time on pick 'n rolls. Stop showing with the big on pick 'n rolls, especially Z. When it's a Howard and Hedo or whomever PNR, who's ever guarding Howard, sag, give room from Howard, the person being screened go over the top, don't let them get off a 3. I don't care if they shoot a mid range two.
Sasha is gonna have to get more time checking Hedo or Lewis. Too much switching and collapsing the paint in the 2nd half had our guys confused and possibly tired.
Our bigs just aren't used to guarding the 3pt line or being out that far for a majority of time, but they better get used to it in this series.
I don't know how hard it is to sprint back on defense and defend your man. Z is basically worthless against this team, even on the offensive end imho. I rather see Darnell Jackson checking Dwight, DJ is tough, Z is getting banged around, Wallace is holding his own, but with Wallace and Andy on the floor together, that leaves 3 offensive players, 2 of which are struggling, the bench is nowhere to be found. So basically on offense it's Lebron vs. Orlando's 5
JDid23
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i agree w/ u samuri... basketball is really the only sport (besides college football) that you guys have.. the indians aren't too good, and forget about the damn browns. lebron is the best thing to happen to cleveland in a damn long time.... and i also think that the cavs went into the series thinking they would win without too much trouble. I thought that they would win in 5 games, 6 at the most... Now, i really have no idea what is going to happen. The magic's confidence is at an all time high right now. however, the cavs are still a better team in my eyes, and i think they will win the series. These first 2 games were a major wakeup call to them and they will need to step it the fuck up in orlando if they stand a chance.
I don't want/think this will happen, but imagine the nuggets/magic in the finals. at this rate, who knows?? i chose denver vs the cavs with the cavs in 7.. but shit, get ready to experience 2 dam good series right now.
I don't want/think this will happen, but imagine the nuggets/magic in the finals. at this rate, who knows?? i chose denver vs the cavs with the cavs in 7.. but shit, get ready to experience 2 dam good series right now.
JDid23
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yeah dude that is so fucking true... i took the cavs 9 spread. i can't wait to see what it is AT orlando for game 3.. i am going to have to say 1 or 2 for either team. (proly the magic being favored)
redsamurai
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huh?? you did mean "cavs=overrated", right? cause lebron is a freak of nature. The dude is a draft horse. If the cavs don't take the workload off of him, yeah they ain't goin to the finals.
I'm just waiting for the magic to go cold again, which they will. I'm happy we stole one from them while they're "on fire". Hedo and Rashard go cold the series is over. They're a team that can't "grind" points.
JDid23
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it is because of the fact the cavs are a completely different team on the road. they have lost 3 road games all year (1 in the playoffs).. one was to the lakers, and the best one was the last game of the season where they sat james, mo williams, ilgalskus, and another player (can't think of who)
they lost in double OT and the 76ers were going balls out for the win. so in my mind, they have 2 real home losses this year. Yes, the rest were away losses and the magic are a damn good home team so there is the 1.5 spread for you. it goes beyond the fact that orlando won in cleveland. regardless, the spread wouldn't be THAT different. maybe 3 or 4 at the most if the cavs won both games by a considerable amount.
lakers were 2-0 vs the cavs this year (i think 2-0, mighta been 3)
Lambruh
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East vs. West teams only play each other twice a year brah, but ye LA housed the Cavs in the paint both times
For one I agree with you on the fact the Cavs play slightly less enthusiastic on the road, as do all teams. But their still the 2nd best road team in the league right underneath LA.
10 point spread change overnight playing the same team, i've been betting on bodog for awhile, never seen something like that. Hell, in the reg season they had the Kicks +8.5 at Cleveland. This is the ECF against a 59 win team!
I think most of it stems from Cleveland sweeping the previous two teams, they played perfect. Then Vegas figured they would do the same vs Orlando, 1st game was 8, they lost, then Vegas thought "Cavs are going to bounce back big in game 2", nope, then they came to realize Orlando roster up and down is just such a mismatch for the Cavs lineup, especially in transition. Bet you when the series comes back to Cle the spread won't be more than -2.5 Cavs. (and that's assuming they'll tie the series tomorrow)
I honestly think if the Cavs want to win this series they need to play 4 small, 1 big and just sit Z. Not to mention it would be nice if someone could maybe shoot over 30% other than Lebron
Z needs to quit missing threes (hes a damn center) and be more of a center.
he will never be able to take Gasol.
West took a ton of stupid shots. williams and gibson missed a few easy shots.
and Lebron barely made any outside shots.
we should of played szerb more.
cavs need to change up something.
outcoached and outplayed.
he will never be able to take Gasol.
West took a ton of stupid shots. williams and gibson missed a few easy shots.
and Lebron barely made any outside shots.
we should of played szerb more.
cavs need to change up something.
outcoached and outplayed.
Yeah, Cleveland home spreads are jacked.
calveless wonder
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they weren't during the regular season.
orlando is just a major mismatch for them and mo williams isn't playing that well. The lakers and the magic are the two worst teams the cav could play as far as matchups
delonte west and mo williams played fantastic in the regular season, and you had guys like big z, varejeo and joe smith that all played well in their roles. i hate to admit it because i wanted the cavs to lose all season (so lebron says fuck this team and leaves) but they played awesome as a compliment to Lebron
orlando exposes all this teams weaknesses. celtics would have lost in 5 or 6 if KG didn't play
nimbus
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i can't take any of those players seriously. they all look like scrubs right now. I am rooting for the Cavs in the series though. Something about Dwight Howard rubs me the wrong way and i kinda hope he gets injured
wtf, Howard seems like a decent guy. I'd let him babysit my children.
As long as I don't dress them like watermelon they should be ok.
(no racist)
(no racist)
*ebony*
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As long as I don't dress them like watermelon they should be ok.
(no racist)
awe thats so cute!
calveless wonder
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he tipped somebody like 3 bucks on a 80 dollar check. they ragged on him in a bunch in a couple of blogs/news paper articles about his tipping mannerisms
fuck him. hes dumb
but id rather see cleveland lose
calveless wonder
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if you never watched cleveland during the season and this was the first you saw of them, they'd def look like super crappy scrubs
nimbus
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haha yea i watched zero regular season ball.
Him being blaque is no reason not to like the guy.
Seems like a decent darquey. Devout Christian I guess that donates a lot of cash and does a lot of charity work when he can.
That and he elbows a lot of people.
Same problem as the Lakers...lack of a decent bench compared to their opponent.
Well Lakers do have Lamar Odom and Shannon Brown (before that even Ariza was starting off the bench). But its still not enough to match Jr Smith, Birdman, Kleiza and Anthony Carter. Denver has arguably the best bench in the NBA. Especially when they play at home
Good thing you're not famous, people would blog about you leeching off your parents well into your late 20's.
JDid23
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how do you hate dwight howard? from what i have heard/seen he is a really nice, charitable guy and has really helped out orlando both on and off the court... If you want to judge the guy based on the fact he supposedly gave out a 3 dollar tip for an 80 dollar meal, be my guest but i think his actions go a lot further than that
nimbus
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dude is always shoving and elbowing in the paint. I never said anything about his character; I said he rubs he me the wrong way
calveless wonder
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LMAO, i love you
calveless wonder
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lebron + stephen curry/wilson chandler/david lee/nate robinson/danilo gallinari/another free agent > Lebron + the rest of the Crapaliers
freeze my body till next summer!
freeze my body till next summer!
jestro
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KG played? Holy shit, I must have missed it when I went to the bathroom. I thought he was the cheerleader for the playoffs.
calveless wonder
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I was referring to a potential cavs/celtics matchup
sounds like scottie pippen who is well known in chicago as "No Tippin Pippen"
redsamurai
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dude was at the end of his rope. The load he pulled in that series was ridiculous. His jumpshot didn't show up so he was going to the hole all series long and was getting hammered everytime. I think he was just tired. I didn't hear that he didn't shake hands with the magic, that is bad show......but who cares about not showing up for the media questions. If I was him I wouldn't show up for that shit if I could help it, even if we won........it's annoying.
Lambruh
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lol @ this reach
I'd say this ECF was a hard fought series for the Cavs, 4 of 6 games outcomes being by 2-3pts or less. But I guess now that the Cavs lost a playoff series, here come the desperate NYorkers, falling to the classic excuse Lebron has dirt for help, regardless if they won 75+ games. Did the Cavs even lose to the Knicks this year by under 20+ points? We all know Donnie is such a mastermind in moving players and a genious come draft. How many years has it been since Knicks been a top 8 seed? Two unproven rooks, one that looks like he should've went in the 2nd round
It's not like the Cavs have 25 mill coming off cap this summer or anything. Infact I bet as much "help" as Ferry has built around Lebron in the last 2 years, he'll probably just turn off his phone for the summer, not make any moves, sit back and watch Walsh work his oh so beautiful magic
redsamurai
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the only way the knicks even remotely get lebrons interest is if they can land one of the other big free agents. Lebron is NOT going to NY for the crew that they have there now. New Yorkers just don't get that the lure of playing in new york is "played out". Guys don't want to come to new york "just because" anymore.
That being said, I'm not convinced lebron stays either. If the cavs can find a really good big man than he'll stay for sure. But as it stands I don't see him being happy. Playoff time is the litmus test for your team. During the season, yeah the other guys played real well cause the pressure wasn't there. With yet another playoff collapse by his teammates, I wouldn't blame lebron for thinking of leaving. Thankfully however there doesn't seem to be any real place out there that's better. I know lebron has big roots here in his hometown, cause that's where I'm from. His mom is one of my good friends neighbor and he lives behind my gym and sometimes goes there in the offseason to practice 3's.........from how he's talked to everyone he does want to stay. But he also wants championships. The deal with the chinese is interesting. You know that was done so that lebron can make bank with the chinese investors marketing him in china, plus those chinese guys are apparently going to try to get yao to cleveland..........we'll see.
That being said, I'm not convinced lebron stays either. If the cavs can find a really good big man than he'll stay for sure. But as it stands I don't see him being happy. Playoff time is the litmus test for your team. During the season, yeah the other guys played real well cause the pressure wasn't there. With yet another playoff collapse by his teammates, I wouldn't blame lebron for thinking of leaving. Thankfully however there doesn't seem to be any real place out there that's better. I know lebron has big roots here in his hometown, cause that's where I'm from. His mom is one of my good friends neighbor and he lives behind my gym and sometimes goes there in the offseason to practice 3's.........from how he's talked to everyone he does want to stay. But he also wants championships. The deal with the chinese is interesting. You know that was done so that lebron can make bank with the chinese investors marketing him in china, plus those chinese guys are apparently going to try to get yao to cleveland..........we'll see.
calveless wonder
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knicks haven't been a top seed because of isiah's moves and the previous coaching regime. You act like walsh has been in new york for the past decade.it's year 1 of the new regime with D'antoni and walsh...seriously, what the hell do you expect in a year? LOL...
You're seriously going to judge the knicks last season after they traded their best veteran players to make cap room? They would have been a playoff team with randolph and crawford. They overhauled their roster 3 different times last year to posture themselves.
Compare the core to new york to the cavs (minus lebron) and you guys have a bunch of old washed up players. david lee, nate robinson and wilson chandler all were picked after #21 in the 1st round. Guess who lead the league in double doubles last year? Hint: his name wasn't dwight howard.
Have you even seen galinari play before making judgement? I bet you haven't. Dude shot 50% from 3 and 47% from the field while playing with a bulging disc that caused him to play at 60%. the guy is going to be sick and he's only 20. watch his numbers next year.
Barkley said it best (can't believe im saying that). just because they had the best regular season record they didnt have the same grueling schedule as the west so that record was misleading. The cavs were the 4th best team left in the playoffs. They don't have the depth or firepower of the nuggets, lakers or magic.
we'll see bro. new york is calling lebron's name. you're in denial as a cavs fan if you're not at least a little worried. cleveland isn't big enough for him and he'd get a chance to play in a sick system. You really think a complimentary superstar would come to CLEVELAND to play with lebron? Or you think another star (amare, joe johnson, bosh etc) would come to new york to PLAY with lebron? Amare just said last week he wanted to play for the knicks. You put lebron and amare on the same team and its over.
i'll be bumping this thread if he signs, thats for sure
Lambruh
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Even if the Cavs would of swept every playoff series, won the Finals, the NY media still would of been splurging at all ends to find reasons why Lebron is leaving.
66 reg season wins, 10-4 09 playoffs.... "lebron teamates didn't give him enough help in the Magic series, he's leaving"
atleast we have the same ESPN headlines like we did all last summer, Farve returns, Lebron 2010, Mike Vick, etc.. so exciting
66 reg season wins, 10-4 09 playoffs.... "lebron teamates didn't give him enough help in the Magic series, he's leaving"
atleast we have the same ESPN headlines like we did all last summer, Farve returns, Lebron 2010, Mike Vick, etc.. so exciting
MsBeverlyHills
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bad news for the Lakers 
redsamurai
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bad news for the Lakers
not so sure aabout that. The lakers may match up better against the magic than they would have against the cavs. Phil Jackson knows what he's doing, unlike mike brown.......he'll study what the celtics did to Howard and the combination of Bynum, Gasol, Odom....and one other big, can't remember him right now.........those guys will emulate what Kendrick Perkins did to Howard. They may not do quite as well, but they'll do better than what the cavs did. Bynum, Gasol, Odom > Z,Wallace, varajao. And the lakers have tall enough Guards to harrass the Magic 3 point shooters.
I hope people realize that had Mo and West been able to hit those mid range jumpers after getting free from the tall magic guards crashing the 3 pointer..........that series would have been over in 4. Both of those guys were capable of averaging 20 points a game, they just weren't gonna shoot that many 3's over the tall magic guards.........which is what they tried to do all series long.
calveless wonder
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i agree the media eats this shit up and it is alot of speculation but often speculation in sports has at least quite a bit of truth prior to being beaten to death over and over.
However i think if lebron won a championship, especially convincingly, he wouldn't be inclined to leave and it'd be pretty hard to make a case for the latter. there are some people that think he would be MORE likely to leave if he won in cleveland, but i don't buy that one bit. He wants a legacy.....and if he won a championship it'd be a beginning of that legacy.and if he can't win the championship and doesn't have the cast around him he's going to try something different. His supporting cast was exposed this series. Lebron kept them in this series by himself...and a miracle shot.
lets put it this way. if he doesn't sign an extension this summer...
what does that tell you? that he's at least entertainin the thought
redsamurai
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I think either mo or delonte might be collecting unemployment in the next few weeks, along with alot of others. Wally is gone for sure, varajao will on the trading block tommorrow........lotta changes comin for the cavs. Exposed was right.
Lambruh
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Cavs defense was exposed this series, MB didn't adjust accordingly and Pietrus outscoring our whold bench didn't help, but I don't look at it like Lebron kept them in himself.
How I look at it is, game 1, Mo would've made that final shot, Cavs are up 2-0, Magic win game three by 10 series is at 2-1. If Delonte would've let the ball just go out of bounds with 14.1, 3-1. Cavs go home finish them off by 10 in game 5.
It's alot of coulda shoulda woulda, but these are realistic one posession swings that would of changed the whole series. Thats the most upsetting part imo. I don't look at it like it was that big of a upset like some are.
How I look at it is, game 1, Mo would've made that final shot, Cavs are up 2-0, Magic win game three by 10 series is at 2-1. If Delonte would've let the ball just go out of bounds with 14.1, 3-1. Cavs go home finish them off by 10 in game 5.
It's alot of coulda shoulda woulda, but these are realistic one posession swings that would of changed the whole series. Thats the most upsetting part imo. I don't look at it like it was that big of a upset like some are.
calveless wonder
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mo signed a long term extension when he got traded. good luck with that. they won't give up on him.imho he's not he problem although he underperformed
they're going to try to trade expirings....
there's no real free agents this summer so anything would be done through trade..(not that any teams have cap room this year anyways besides the Grizz and the kings lol)
Lambruh
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Varajao won't be on any block goofball, he's a FA this summer and he'll be resigned 100%, young, athletic big who hussles and plays D, perfect under MB's system
calveless wonder
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how were they goin to adjust? They just didn't have the personel. All their bigs are OLD..and can't guard on the perimeter. Varejao sucks. Z, wallace, joe smith...all old as fuck. If they played small ball they would have got destroyed in the paint
redsamurai
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Maybe if varajao hadn't whined after every trip down the floor he could have gotten back in time to help on all those transition 3's the magic were shoving right up the cavs asses. His only talent is rebounding. He's not even that good defensively. If he was blocking shots like Z than that would be one thing. And Mike Brown has to go, you know that right? I mean you saw at the end of games it wasn't even him drawing up plays, it was the assistant. I know he's supposed to be a defensive genius, but where was that genius when his guys for 6 straight mother fucking games were leaving the magic's TIT'S 3 point shooters (turk/lewis) WIDE FUCKING OPEN for 3's...??? What genius is that? What I saw from Van gundy was constant adjustment. The magic were doing things differently from game to game, they had the cavs twisted. Brown just figured that lebron would eventually win them the series and he'd look like a genius for sticking with the gameplan. Fucking pathetic. Same shit happened a couple years ago against the Spurs, no adjustment whatsoever to anything the ohter team was doing. I hate to say it, but if he was getting p'wned by Gundy.....I'm glad we didn't make it to the finals where Zen boy would have had the cavs looking utterly and more than just "mildly" retarded.....
Lambruh
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And i'll be bumping it when Walsh signs a 30yo vet making 15+m
i'm sure Lebron is just drooling to come back and play with a stud like Hughes lmao (another great Donnie move) btw, who benefitted from that trade again? Pretty sure it was the guys who took the celts to 7
no, i'm not worried at all about Lebron leaving, especially to the Knicks.... it's NY media desperation
Lambruh
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Varajao's not good on defense? hense him being nominated by coaches for All-team Defense over any cavs player outside Lebron + 6 man of the year nominations. Block shots like Z?? Z doesn't block shit except on scrubs like Alston's layups and he is 7'3, Andy is 6'11. I'm not quite sure how much NBA you watch but news flash, Howard is ungaurdable, NOBODY blocks his shots, all you can do is try to keep him out of the paint and foul his ass if he gets down low.
jesus though, Mike Brown has to go now too?!?! wamp wamp wamp. He doesn't need to draw up offensive plays, that's why he hired an offensive coach, 90% of coach's don't draw up plays there assistants do. The magic got wide open 3's because you have to double on Dwight, hense why Bron roamed off alston, leaving someone on the perimeter with enough room always, mostly the weak side.
So lets blow up the team, ship out our best bench player + get rid of the COY, cus we lost a series by an overall of what, 9 points?
Cavs have a good front court, the best SF in the league, two good defensive bigs in Andy + Jackson, a solid bench (outside this series) and 4/5 starters under the age of 26.
Why the fuck would you blow up the team when all the Cavs need is a big with a offensive low post threat? God damn, we had the same fucking team as last year and added Williams INSTANTLY going from 45 wins to 66 wins. You take Pau off Lakers and they go to shit, if Cavs can find a gem like they did with Mo and scoop a big the NBA is going to get rolled on.
Expirings this summer:
Wally
Snow
Pavs
Z
Smith
Wright
Kinsey
That's 25m officially off the cap, with 20m alone in Player opts
45 million in cap space this summer, 2 draft picks in assets, Ben's 15m expiring to toss around next season.
It took fuckin Amon Jones to get Mo, talking about blowing up 66 win team + staff with 45m cap space and assets to work with, it don't matter who's in FA's this summer with those numbers
Sorry for going all hard, but It gets old seeing the same panic attacks from Clevelanders talking misery throughout a great season then making ridiculous gestures if they don't go undefeated with 40pt blowouts every game. Yeah it was a let down but it's not the end of a dynasty
redsamurai
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You need to go back to the celtics series and watch Glen Davis and Kendrick Perkins dominate howard. I completely and utterly underestimated those guys, I thought it was Howard just getting exposed as a one dimensional player. Not so. And I'm not even thinking about Howard when I evaluate varajao's performance, from what I"ve seen the whole year he's pretty average. Yeah he hussles, and that does count. But against top tier interior players he's helpless. What's going to happen next year when Boston get's Garnett back? With what we've got now, do you think we make it past either of those two teams? I like Z, but he's also helpless against top tier forwards and centers. He's too banged up to play hard. Wallace is serviceable, but his contract has to be renegotiated or he's got to go. We can get decent stock for Varajao "now"......not later. He's got to be traded for "needs". He's not going to develop into the inside force they thought he would. If you still think he is you're kidding yourself.
yep, pretty much. He got exposed during this series as a coach who rode into town with the best player in the NBA. One of two things happened during this series.........either A) Mike Brown is helpless to make on the fly adjustments to his defensive and offensive schemes (my choice) or B) The cavs players are too stupid to effectively implement those adjustments, even over 6 games. Which do you think it is? Cause it's one or other. For 6 games we watched the magic get open looks "AT WILL". Williams even admitted as much that they were helpless in their scheme to get to those open players. I think you had a coach who was wrapped up in plugging up the paint so badly that he left his players out in deep water when it came time to jump out on the perimeter guards. After two games it was quite obvious that the only way the magic were going to win the series was by posting up at the 3 line. Had we fucked with their rythm early, like the Celtics did......we would have won the series. The Celtics only lost because they didn't have Garnett's scoring, their defense of the magic was right on. We had no injuries so if we had kept the magic to shooting mid range jumpers, which only count for "2" points........we had Lebrons offensive output to easily keep pace with that. We could have lived with hedo, lewis and alston having to settle for running mid range jumpers or driving to the basket. Those guys barely broke a sweat the first 3 games just cherry picking out there on the 3 point line. It set the tone for the whole series. We never made any adjustments, just like in the spurs series. And you still think MB is a great coach? He just got completely outclassed by the MOP....lol
I could live with his inadequacies on the offensive side if he had been able to counter what the magic were doing on the defensive side. He didn't and I suspect really couldn't cause he just ain't that good. That series was a sweep for the magic without lebron's freak shot, remember that.
If z and wallace are finished anyway, than you have to start over at those positions regardless. Varajao is NEVER going to be the go to inside guy. He's never going to be the man even just on the defensive side. He's serviceable, that's all. He's never going to be the rebounding monster that Rodman was, he's just not athletic enough. He's tough for sure, but he's not someone we absolutely need. If we can fill a more dire need by trading him, why not? Delonte needs to go back to the bench, he's not ready to be a starter. Mo either needs to go the bench or the "COACH OF THE YEAR" needs to have a sit down with Lebron and TELL him that Mo is the pointguard, he runs the teams offense. Just like in San Antonio a few years ago, Lebron waves off the point guard, brings the ball up the floor himself.........than holds the ball at the top of the key till there's 7 seconds left on the shot clock. How are you not sick of that? Go look at some tape and count how many passes on average the magic make before taking a shot vs. what the cavs do. As the game winds down to the 4th quarter, that number for the cavs PLUMMETS! Same old shit.........and it's ALL on Mike Brown. If he can't tell Lebron what to do than he has to go. Lebron is not the coach.
Lambruh
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Definitely CAN'T beat them! it's so impossible to get past the old three, it's not like we took them to 7 games down to the last minute with a injured Cavs team last year, 4 cavs being traded onto a new system, no Mo will or Boobie
so might as well fire him because he lost one playoff series because his players were mismatched, the other team made shots and his defense scheme that has been the best all year wasn't effective against a team in four games. Might as well fire Ferry to, just for him hiring such a horrible coach in Brown
makes sense
This series could of been a sweep for the Cavs if two posessions went our way, that's what I remember.
But okay, miserable Cavs fan, lets overexagerate cus things didn't go our way and make it seem like it was a blowout series
lol
So, you want to ship our third best Cav in Z, Ben has to go to now, might as well throw in Joe Smith just cus we lost and he's old to. Varajao is not going to be the all time rebounder like you want him to be. Delonte needs to be benched, for no really good reason at all, Mo needs to be benched also, unless he run's the point even though he's a combo gaurd and plays much better off the ball. Ofcourse, he's probably not going to be efficient to you if he doesn't run the floor like CP3, so might as well bench him now.
And this is what you have starting based on your critisism
Gibson
Sasha
Lebron
Wally
JJ Hickson
coach: John Kuester
This looks solid 2010 season to me
any offseason moves you can come up with? you seem to be ontop of the critisism on "don't do this, don't do that, bench him, fire that guy", but I havn't read one post on you giving input on what moves they should make, trades/free agency/available coaches. Infact, I havn't seen you type one thing positevely this entire thread about the Cavs, the entire time you're just critisizing every little flaw.
How bout some trade scenarios and talk, who would you move for who? I mean you want everyone from a 66 win team that went to the ECF, off the team or benched, who's going to replace them?
lol@Cavs fans self destructing on each other
redsamurai
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it's not that we lost, it's "how" we lost. We got outcoached........this was our year and we got our asses handed to us by a team we had a good chance of beating "IF" our coach would have made concessions with his game plans and made adjustments which either he didn't do or our players were incapable of implimenting. Williams basically said as much....now he may be trying to keep his job, but he basically hinted that their scheme was just woefully insufficient. "We couldn't stop them from getting open looks"........now who's fault is that? Who's fault is it that at the end of the games the cavs revert back to being "witnesses" to lebrons greatness by watching him as he holds the ball at the top of the key? C'mon bro, I'm not making any arguments that haven't been made in droves already. It's just that those arguments were silenced this year because of how well the cavs did during the regular season. But there were alot of basketball analysts who were wondering if the cavs would revert to their old ways under pressure.............and they did. We were watching the same series right? So if you want to keep Brown, we'll see the cavs have another good year next year, get to the playoffs and than lose to either the celtics or the magic "again". Or how about the Bulls? That team worries me too. If things stay as they are we'll have the best player in the league but maybe not even the 3rd best team in the east. I dunno, but I think we would have had a heck of war against the bulls. If they get any better.....
I think that's oversimplifying things a bit.
you want the cavs to be the best team in the NBA? Their current roster may not get them back to the ECF let alone some of those teams in the west that are up and coming. Things move quick in pro sports bro. Lebron is not going to wait forever to win a championship here. So it's not overexaggerating or whining or whatever, it's a realization that the best player in the league who may very well in the end be the best player of all time...........will not flounder his carreer on a team that he doesn't feel is heading in the right direction. We got some old players who are declining and some young players who may not be panning out.
Ben is mulling retirement, just saw that over at ESPN. Z will probably follow suit. They're old bro, no gettin around that.
You're making my point........he's "serviceable". If we can get something for him we could probalby easily replace him. I'm not saying fire sale him for nothin........keep him if we can't get nothin for him in return, but shop him please!!
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too streaky.....we came to that conclusion about boobie and they benched him....same deal. Maybe than he can get his own "DOOOO---nuuttts"....lol
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from what I"ve seen the cavs offense runs much better through Mo.........I mean wouldn't you agree? Lebron is a great passer for sure, but our O runs smoother through Mo. We get more passes in.
dude I never said that was the starting lineup I envisioned. And I think I already said that wally world needs to be shipped out pronto. And OBVIOUSLY I am inferring that we go out and get a tried and true coach, not just going to the assistant.
I have no idea who's available and whatnot and what the cavs overall cap situation is, nor am I going to study it. I know it sounds like cherry picking what I've said, but it's all valid. And alot of it goes back to prior years, I still see them play the same offense in crunch time.......why? It has proven not to work. I don't know what precisely they need to do....but they need to do something. If you remember, the cavs weren't exactly dominating the top tier teams in the league. In fact that magic had us during the season. They did exactly in the playoffs what they did to us in the regular season. You call that good coaching?
If they want this current cast of cavs to help Lebron win a championship, MB or whatever other coach they bring in, should sit lebron for games at a time and force the team to win on their own. And Lebron needs to be checked too. I think MB just is just Lebrons yessman...........just my opinion, I could be wrong. I just don't see a very strong personality in Brown.
Lambruh
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again, with paragraphs and essays of your worrying about other teams, getting back to finals and complaining about Cavs roster/staff up and down, but nothing at all to improve on what you critisize
reminds me of my old man who just started folling the NBA, hopped on the Cavs bandwagon this year, and tries to pull the arm chair coach constantly complaing about the smallest flaws when they'd be up 20+ in the 4th.. Simply because his Browns and Tribe misery rubs off on everything else Cleveland wise. "take Lebron off Turkoglu and put Wally on him, we need some lockdown D!!"
reminds me of my old man who just started folling the NBA, hopped on the Cavs bandwagon this year, and tries to pull the arm chair coach constantly complaing about the smallest flaws when they'd be up 20+ in the 4th.. Simply because his Browns and Tribe misery rubs off on everything else Cleveland wise. "take Lebron off Turkoglu and put Wally on him, we need some lockdown D!!"
KillahBee
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that motherfucker wouldn't be making a dime if it weren't for this business and the media are a hugely integral part of the biz. let's have perspective here - this is entertainment and entertainment only and without the media sports would not exist. plain and simple. i never got on him about dissing the media though, even though that's where his egotistical bread is buttered. not shaking hands with the victors shows no class. I don't give a fuck how hard he tried / fought (fuck, aren't you kinda SUPPOSED to do that shit?!!!!!), that's just plain ol cowardly.
anyway. scoreboard, in the end. nobody can say anything that matters for than the fact that LBJ is spending another offseason without a ring. makes me happy, solely for the reason that a large majority of the bball community handed that motherfucker the "GOD" title before he even set foot on an NBA court. I prefer my peeps to earn their stripes.
Lambruh
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you know your really a fan in misery when you lurk to other teams and their players failures for satisfaction
KB you hit 30 right? To think, Lebron won't probably retire until 2020+, you'll have to blow steam crying about Lebron for another decade, hell bro you'll be over the hill by then taking trips to HRT clinics. NBA = 9 months a year, 90+ months of worry about Lebron failing? All that stress? god damn son
It's alot more satisfying enjoying your team win, rather than having to spend hours worrying if other teams lose because your own team is irrelevant
"lambro blah blah blah ule be suxin LeChokez cack fer 10 yrz" <<---- pre-emptive original
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KB you hit 30 right? To think, Lebron won't probably retire until 2020+, you'll have to blow steam crying about Lebron for another decade, hell bro you'll be over the hill by then taking trips to HRT clinics. NBA = 9 months a year, 90+ months of worry about Lebron failing? All that stress? god damn son
It's alot more satisfying enjoying your team win, rather than having to spend hours worrying if other teams lose because your own team is irrelevant
"lambro blah blah blah ule be suxin LeChokez cack fer 10 yrz" <<---- pre-emptive original
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redsamurai
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are my criticisms baseless? Yes I'm happy the cavs had a great season......and if it weren't for the possibility of lebron skipping town I'd be happy they just made it to the ECF and had such a great regular season. But facts are facts bro, it seems kind of 50/50 right now if Lebron leaves or not. I think the fact of how he left the court after the last game shows the kind of frustrated disappointment that leads to "maybe I can can do this somewhere else".......who knows, I certainly hope not. But the way we went out does not bode well for if Lebron will stay or not. That was not as close of a series as I think you're trying to convince yourself. Any cavs fan worth his salt would be asking the same questions I am.......like how is it for 6 games that the magic's top sharp shooters were getting consistent open 3 point looks? It's inexcusable and we should all be wondering why. Is it personnel or is it coaching........something failed bro, how can you not see that? Of course I have no offers on how to fix it.....well, other than getting a better coach.........I'm not a basketball analyst nor does my life revolve around pro sports. I have no idea who's out there that's better than what we got, but the people who run the cavs organization had better ask themselves that question and make serious efforts to possibly bring in better people. Barkley was absolutely right when he called the cavs the 4th best team in the playoffs......and just maybe even the rockets were better than us. The magic had no one defensively like battier and artest....so now imagine if we'd play the rockets with a healthy Yao, we would have had our hands full. Artest and Battier would definitely have kept Lebron from his 40+ average...........who would have stepped up? I dunno bro, I think you're kidding yourself that this is a dynasty in the making.
I'll say this, if lebron does resign.....you give this current crew "ONE", and just "ONE" more year. Otherwise it's gotta be a firesale.
I'll say this, if lebron does resign.....you give this current crew "ONE", and just "ONE" more year. Otherwise it's gotta be a firesale.
Lambruh
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Samaruai I read about two sentences into your paragraphs then stop because you keep referring back to the same complaints and rants. I mean you wanna talk Cavs, okay cool, the seasons over let's talk about who's available and trades that are realistic to help the team. I can't reply to a bunch of complaining because the Cavs aren't the 92 dream team you think they should be. From page one I could tell your misery runs deep. I understand to a point, but understad this, the reaon why nobody gives a fuck about after the Tribe + Browns losing is because they are expected to lose, now all the sudden a Cleveland team gets this media attention/hype from the Cavs reg season dominance and the Cle fans ride with it setting their expectations to high. It's when you're expected to win, when you truely experience your first hard loss. Leading to this, alot of complaining and finger pointing. Fuck, I lost over 1.3g just in these two weeks sports betting on the Cavs, all you can do is move forward
CW, Knicks are going to get a greedy, offensive only minded all-star that begs for the system to be built around him (Amare does fit that well), then some washed up 01 stud like Mcgrady, all playing oh so well under D'Antoni's great defensive schemes.
Then you're going to pull an Ortiz when you don't get James and say there's no point in overpaying James $___ amount and the teams better off w/o him for the price. Quote me on that
You would think by now New York fans learned that they can't buy a winning teams, regardless Cavs still have more cap space, can offer Lebron more, contract clauses out the ass, while consistantly getting to the playoffs and recently having the best record
This dude just stormed off the court because he's hungry for a ring and didn't get one. How do you think James felt about playing with the Knicks when he was sitting on the bench watching his third string work the Knicks starters in the second halves all four of the games this year? Had to be impressed
CW, Knicks are going to get a greedy, offensive only minded all-star that begs for the system to be built around him (Amare does fit that well), then some washed up 01 stud like Mcgrady, all playing oh so well under D'Antoni's great defensive schemes.
Then you're going to pull an Ortiz when you don't get James and say there's no point in overpaying James $___ amount and the teams better off w/o him for the price. Quote me on that
You would think by now New York fans learned that they can't buy a winning teams, regardless Cavs still have more cap space, can offer Lebron more, contract clauses out the ass, while consistantly getting to the playoffs and recently having the best record
This dude just stormed off the court because he's hungry for a ring and didn't get one. How do you think James felt about playing with the Knicks when he was sitting on the bench watching his third string work the Knicks starters in the second halves all four of the games this year? Had to be impressed
redsamurai
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Ok, let's move forward..........but part of what I'm saying is that to "move forward" we need to address certain glaring issues which I beleive I have characterized. You're the one who knows more about the NBA as a whole than I do........so you tell me what they can do in the offseason. I'm just saying that if the cavs have an opportunity to get something for varajao, for example.......they should take it. The dude isn't going to get much better. ANd I don't like floppers, even they are a cav.
Tell me, are you convinced that lebron won't leave at all or just that he won't go to the knicks? I agree the knicks look dumb for him except if they pick up another huge free agent, like Wade. Lebron might go if he can play with Wade. But who knows what some other team might offer. How can you be so sure he won't go somewhere else?
Tell me, are you convinced that lebron won't leave at all or just that he won't go to the knicks? I agree the knicks look dumb for him except if they pick up another huge free agent, like Wade. Lebron might go if he can play with Wade. But who knows what some other team might offer. How can you be so sure he won't go somewhere else?
redsamurai
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so he finally talks to the media about his loss.........and guess what cap he's wearin? yep........his yankess hat. Nice. I'll "try" not to look too much into that........lol. Fuck me.
calveless wonder
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I read most of what redsam wrote...it was an objective perspective. "no complaining". Just being real.
calveless wonder
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only contracts off the books are wally and eric snow (along with smith, and wright). you guys are shedding about 20 mil in cap space. look it up
from 91 mil to 71 mil. not alot of room to navigate
trade deadline will be your best bet..because you have a few expirings in 09/10. but this summer don't expect alot of moves.
and quoting player options is dumb. they ALWAYS take the player option unless they're severely underpaid or a superstar with a chance to get an even bigger contract. Z and varejao will both tak their options
Lambruh
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I don't need to logon to ESPN trade machine to figure out contracts like your doing, but okay lets get technical since I was off 5m lol
09 summer:
Kinsey - Team opt .85m
Jackson - Not gauranteed .75m
Pav - Not gauranteed 5m
Szcerbiak - 13.7m
Snow - 7.3m
Smith - 1.3
Wright - 1.3
No player opts, do the math
Funny that you saying that about Varajao taking his player opts though
he'll take the opt huh?
like I said previously, keep worrying about that money situation for your knicks bud, seems like that's all your focused on, i'll be focused on the Cavs getting better seasonally while still being the top team to pay him more than the Knicks can ever.
09 summer:
Kinsey - Team opt .85m
Jackson - Not gauranteed .75m
Pav - Not gauranteed 5m
Szcerbiak - 13.7m
Snow - 7.3m
Smith - 1.3
Wright - 1.3
No player opts, do the math
Funny that you saying that about Varajao taking his player opts though
he'll take the opt huh?
like I said previously, keep worrying about that money situation for your knicks bud, seems like that's all your focused on, i'll be focused on the Cavs getting better seasonally while still being the top team to pay him more than the Knicks can ever.
calveless wonder
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haha....alright, you got me on that varajeo thing. but what a fuckin retard. there's like 3 teams under the cap right now that can sign him..and i guarantee they're not goig to overpay for a role player (at best). which means the cavs hold all the leverage.
far as the bron thing, we're just going to keep going back and forth without any conclusion. it's a moot point for both of us until
a.) he resigns this year...which i really doubt he will. I think dwayne wade will be the only one of that big 2010 class that does this summer.
b.) he resigns next year or goes to another team
Like I said many tiems in the previous few months, when the cavs were rolling during the season and looked unstoppable i really thought they were goin to win a championship and that the lebron to NY talk was a bunch of garbage...but now it's just not baseless anymore. he needs help and its up to ferry to give it to him or else
EDIT: I just looked at the source you quoted. it's a blog with no reputable citation.....if you're going to try to throw something in my face, might want it to be a little more concrete
KillahBee
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lolololll. love it
redsamurai
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Lambruh
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a blog? I didn't realize the #1 Cavs sports writer and insider for Cleveland newspaper isn't credible
Cavaliers Insider: Fatigued Ben Wallace ponders retirement, says 'passion' has dwindled Cleveland Cavaliers Basketball NBA News - cleveland.com
I can find multiple more articles on this if you'd like
and in the same "blog" Wallace is considering retirement after this season, possibly another 14m
Like I said earlier, I'm not concened about who's available in FA as much as you are anyways, offseason moves typically happen from sign and trades
redsamurai
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that writer wasn't brian windhorst was it? I went to grade school with that kid, we were pretty decent friends back then.
redsamurai
Banned
I ran into one of my childhood friends father last year and he told me about that.........fucked up apparently. He was a nice easy going kid too, real "non clickish".....he was nice to everybody. I'm glad to hear he's doing better health wise and proffessionaly.
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