Hello Pro-Choice!!

[velvett]

Remove the safeguard of abortion and I guarantee the rate of pill and condom usage would rise. Why deprive valid rights, the right to procreate, for the priviledge of some to kill?

In theory I totally agree with you but I doubt as a reality that would happen.

But if you look back in history pre - 1969 - women still got pregnant without planning.

Again - abortion and partial birth abortion are totally different procedures done for different reasons.

 

[hellboy]

Again - abortion and partial birth abortion are totally different procedures done for different reasons.

They really are. And it's the pb abortions that make this such a hard issue to debate with your conscience. The thought of them is hard to stomach. But you know that if you give the 'religious right' a foothold they will take it all away.

 

[IHateBrolies]

Firstly, I don't think it is valid at all to simply claim that abortion is "a personal decision". That is the thesis, and you need to make points to support it.

Secondly, the womens' rights angle is best kept in another argument.

Thirdly, this issue hinges on two major points of variation:
1. definition of a person under the ethics of the state and/or society
2. balance between historically objective and subjective motivation and definition

I differ in opion with atlantabiolab on both. These kinds of differences can usually be reduced to basic arbitraty, preferential or idiological bases. It is really tiring to argue about this issue.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

what about those four boys that were just found starving to death in the home of their foster parents. the 19 year old weighed 40 pounds. what a great life this kid is having, huh? good thing the mother decided to give birth to him instead of having an abortion so that he could be brutally abused in foster homes.

I am not necessarily against abortion, but this (like so many of the arguments) is an appeal to emotion.

Those boys have been found, and will get other opportunities now. Many people have overcome tremendous adversity to accomplish great things. At least these poor kids will now have a chance at that.

If we followed your logic, we would disallow poor people to have kids, because after all, "what kind of life is that?"

Are you in favor of that?

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

You are overlooking the fact that the consequences of unwanted and defective babies cost society more than reducing populations by abortion.

Is societal cost your argument for the worthiness of policy?

You know what would be a huge cost saver? Machine-gunning people over 65. No Social Security, no Medicare to speak of. We'd save $1T annually right there.

Are you for that?

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

it was an interesting sight...all these men, passing a law about a procedure that they could NEVER experience.

This is silly.

Oddly, many legislators have never been murdered either, yet I bet you they are 100% in favor of laws prohitibing murder.

 

[IHateBrolies]

Is societal cost your argument for the worthiness of policy?

You know what would be a huge cost saver? Machine-gunning people over 65. No Social Security, no Medicare to speak of. We'd save $1T annually right there.

Are you for that?

How about just realizing that the good of society can be one of the deciding factors in policymaking, and won't necessarily lead to machine-gunning senior citizens?

 

[Shak]

I am not necessarily against abortion, but this (like so many of the arguments) is an appeal to emotion.

Those boys have been found, and will get other opportunities now. Many people have overcome tremendous adversity to accomplish great things. At least these poor kids will now have a chance at that.

If we followed your logic, we would disallow poor people to have kids, because after all, "what kind of life is that?"

Are you in favor of that?

if a woman does not want to raise a child, i don't think she should be forced to BY LAW into giving birth. like these kids, there are too many unwanted children already in this world that need good, decent homes.

you're not following my logic by saying that poor people shouldn't be allowed to have kids. people that don't want to RAISE children should not be giving BIRTH to children.

a poor family can still raise a child in a loving and caring environment.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

How about just realizing that the good of society can be one of the deciding factors in policymaking, and won't necessarily lead to machine-gunning senior citizens?

2Thick mentioned "cost to society". I just wanted to put his remarks in context.

If you've read the Constitution at all, you'd see that it provides for the safeguard of individual rights, not societal good.

 

[Shak]

This is silly.

Oddly, many legislators have never been murdered either, yet I bet you they are 100% in favor of laws prohitibing murder.

no, this is silly. abortion is a woman's issue. period.