Hello Pro-Choice!!

[atlantabiolab]

You are overlooking the fact that the consequences of unwanted and defective babies cost society more than reducing populations by abortion.

And you have fallen for a great socialistic mindtrap. Instead of man being beholden to himself only, and all his actions, his responsibility, your assertion turns the individual into "cattle" of the state, who's value is only what he/she can provide to the "society", with all rights boiling down to cost/benefit analyses. If you can be shown to be costly in some statistical analysis, then you have lost your claim to life, liberty, property, etc.

You are a hodge-podge of conflicting ideas.

 

[Shak]

Have you ever been raped? Without "experiencing" it, how can you know its wrong?

LAME.

 

[Shak]

what are the benefits of bringing more unwanted babies into this world?

 

[atlantabiolab]

In previous wars thousands of black men (and white men) gave their lives to defend the lives of Americans, some of whom didn't consider those same black men worthy of life at all. What's your point?
You serve your country defending people's freedom, and that freedom includes the right to do things you don't necessarily agree with.

Your argument falters in using "freedom" synonomously with "rights". There are freedoms which would be deleterious to others, such as the "freedom" to enslave black men, or the "freedom" to rape women. Rights imply freedom, but define the limits of freedom. The argument boils down to rights and not freedom.

 

[atlantabiolab]

what are the benefits of bringing more unwanted babies into this world?

What was the benefit of bringing you into the world?

What cost/benefit analysis was performed to show that you were worthy of life?

 

[hellboy]

What was the benefit of bringing you into the world?

What cost/benefit analysis was performed to show that you were worthy of life?

Why do you think this is about cost? The decision to have an abortion is a personal decision made by individuals. I can guarantee you that the folks who get abortions are not congratulating themselves on saving the state a few extra bucks by having one less mouth to feed.

 

[atlantabiolab]

You can't assume that making abortion illegal will eliminate abortion. It will only criminalize it and make it more dangerous to those that get them.

Laws against murder, theft, rape, embezzlement, bribery, etc. don't prevent them from happening do they? Should we discard them too?

 

[Dial_tone]

And you have fallen for a great socialistic mindtrap. Instead of man being beholden to himself only, and all his actions, his responsibility, your assertion turns the individual into "cattle" of the state, who's value is only what he/she can provide to the "society", with all rights boiling down to cost/benefit analyses. If you can be shown to be costly in some statistical analysis, then you have lost your claim to life, liberty, property, etc.

You are a hodge-podge of conflicting ideas.

The "nitpicking with the semantics" response I've come to expect from you. So exchange the word freedom for rights and I still stand by my response to his statement. Soldiers defend our rights to do what we choose, within the law. Abortion isn't illegal...whether he agrees with it or not doesn't change his job function.

 

[hellboy]

Laws against murder, theft, rape, embezzlement, bribery, etc. don't prevent them from happening do they? Should we discard them too?

Not at all. These are crimes that hurt other people. These are crimes that deny citizens of their rights. These are crimes that cost the taxpayers money everyday.

An early trimester abortion is not a crime against anyone. Partial birth abortions are certainly arguable. But making them illegal will not solve the problem - it will only make it worse. This is not an issue of "Is abortion right or wrong." In a perfect world there would be no need for it. But since it aint perfect we have to deal with it.

 

[Shak]

Why do you think this is about cost? The decision to have an abortion is a personal decision made by individuals. I can guarantee you that the folks who get abortions are not congratulating themselves on saving the state a few extra bucks by having one less mouth to feed.

exactly.


i wasn't an unplanned accident whose mother planned on giving me away. there are a lot of women who chose to have abortions because they don't want a baby. if they were to give birth, they still wouldn't want the baby.

what about those four boys that were just found starving to death in the home of their foster parents. the 19 year old weighed 40 pounds. what a great life this kid is having, huh? good thing the mother decided to give birth to him instead of having an abortion so that he could be brutally abused in foster homes.

what about the mother's whose health/lives are in jeopardy...then whose rights are at stake?