Hcg homework...double check?!

[Mythicalbeing]

Running a long cycle from what read, it would be better for me to start my hcg's at 500iu once a week starting at week 6 out of 15...then finishing with two weeks post at 2500iu a week stacked with which of the following? Anastrazole,clomid, nolva?
Hope you don't mind answereing my question as I am no newbie, and read most if not all the posts here on injecting hcg...which will be my first.

This for my piece of mind...and for the betterment of my body.

Your in the game of life,
and in the game of iron,
Mythical

 

[Americunt]

See I don't know where this 500IU per day thing comes from.... it seems awfully conservative.... it will slightly plump them from a steroid induced atrophy, but it may not help them keep full volume thbroughout a cycle i.e. it may not be equivalent to your natural LH output.

Swale (who claims to be an HRT expert) says 250IU-500IU can be used every day throughout a cycle.

Others claim that you shouldn't use HCG for long durations - but this completely contradicts the advice above. This ultra-conservative advice also fails to take into account HCG's use in medicine, where I understand hypogonadic males are given doses of 4500IU per week for many months!!! But then you will not be fully hypogonadal!

So, the only thing you can do is use your own brain. Conservatism is a smart move considering there is so much disagreement and some theoretical risk of leydig cell damage. I think you should have no probs with 1000-1500IU per week with little breaks here and there. Use your own judgement... 500IU per week is probably better than nothing and better for peace of mind....

So it depends how much you want your balls to function on cycle. How big? 80% normal?

Hope I have helped. You gotta use your judgement on this one. Lots of contradiction on this issue.

PS: get insulin syringes for your HCG - it is much easier to meter the dose. Pre-fill them and stick them in the fridge ready for use.

I can't comment on your other questions.

 

[SpeedFreak5]

I wouldn't use HCG for anymore then 3 weeks at a time. The instructions on the one I buy say three weeks then an equal amount of time off.

This cycle I will be using hcg with nova at the end of my cycle. I going to have a little clomid to, but not the usual 300mg on the first day.

 

[Americunt]

I wouldn't use HCG for anymore then 3 weeks at a time. The instructions on the one I buy say three weeks then an equal amount of time off.

That advice is for WOMEN ONLY.

 

[bicepts101]

That advice is for WOMEN ONLY.

How is that advis for women only?

You have to carefull with HCG as it can be counterproductive. if you use too much it can be suppresive

 

[The Terminator]

How is that advis for women only?

You have to carefull with HCG as it can be counterproductive. if you use too much it can be suppresive

At the wrong time yes...But while you are on you are already heavily suppressed (though it can cause a desensitization to LH...which can be quite counterproductive when trying to restore endogenous test production post cycle...)

 

[Americunt]

How is that advis for women only?

You have to carefull with HCG as it can be counterproductive. if you use too much it can be suppresive

Cos women are the main recipient of HCG. Cos women are the principal customer of HCG. Cos HCG is mostly prescribed to women. The drug is most commonly precribed to women to aid ovulation and thus enhance the chances of pregnancy. 3 weeks from point of last day of period takes you up to the next period.. 3 weeks refers to the menstrual cycle not testicles.

Also, you cannot state that HCG at x dose and at x duration causes suppression. This is still just specualtion. For hypogonadal men, 4500IU per week for durations upto 6 months is practices by some: http://www.cornellurology.com/uro/cornell/infertility/smt/hypogonadotropic.shtml

You are not able to say that long durations of HCG can definately cause suppression. Indeed, Swale has indicated that 250IU-500IU per day throughout a cycle is probably ok. Going on what my own nuts are doing, I also believe that 500IU per day is not toxic. Surely if the balls were overflowing with too much LH analog - they would cease to become plump; or they would prove stubborn to plump.

I think using it at the end of a cycle at 250-1000IU per day for 3 weeks is one way. I think that using up to 1500IU per week during a cycle is ok. This is me being conservative. I have been doing 250IU per day for a month and am about to come-off. I have noticed that using more does cause balls to get larger, but I am opting for the conservative approach just in case!

But none of us know for sure, but commonly repeated advice on HCG is not science fact. It's mostly cyberspace chinese whispers.

 

[bicepts101]

Cos women are the main recipient of HCG. Cos women are the principal customer of HCG. Cos HCG is mostly prescribed to women. The drug is most commonly precribed to women to aid ovulation and thus enhance the chances of pregnancy. 3 weeks from point of last day of period takes you up to the next period.. 3 weeks refers to the menstrual cycle not testicles.

Also, you cannot state that HCG at x dose and at x duration causes suppression. This is still just specualtion. For hypogonadal men, 4500IU per week for durations upto 6 months is practices by some

ok my mistake i thought you were saying only pussies use HCG in 3 week incraments. i missread it.

i never said it will suppress. i said it can.

 

[Mythicalbeing]

Okay....so running Hcg at 1000iu every week, every third day will be better than 500iu a week, this is On Cycle at week 6 of 15. But it's still not high enough to cause all the sides I read about, but should be benefitial enough to get "the boys" in semi working order...My plan for running hcg is to keep my test level up during cycle, then post cycle getting my levels back quickly to minimize gain loss... if I read right Hcg is super at jump starting your system. How am I doing so far?

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Running a long cycle from what read, it would be better for me to start my hcg's at 500iu once a week starting at week 6 out of 15...then finishing with two weeks post at 2500iu a week stacked with which of the following? Anastrazole,clomid, nolva?
Hope you don't mind answereing my question as I am no newbie, and read most if not all the posts here on injecting hcg...which will be my first.

This for my piece of mind...and for the betterment of my body.

Your in the game of life,
and in the game of iron,
Mythical

I would probably look into replacing the Anastrazole with Aromasin... Some people seem to think that Anastrazole will give you an strogen rebound while Aromasin won't. I think I would agree with them.

 

[Mythicalbeing]

Will do BRR...thanks for the advice.

 

[bicepts101]

Re: Re: Hcg homework...double check?!

I would probably look into replacing the Anastrazole with Aromasin... Some people seem to think that Anastrazole will give you an strogen rebound while Aromasin won't. I think I would agree with them.

what about letro?

 

[Tryn2]

This is one thing I dont like about this board. When you read a thred and the answers. It hard to tell whos opinion is better than the others. You have to read a thousand post on one thing to get maybe the right answer. Then when you think you have it its disproved. I wish when you read something it was from someone who you knew knew what they were talking about. So many contradictions around here. Thats why I think I should get a book like dan duchaines or something. I think that would be better money spent then a platinum membership what ya think ?

 

[bicepts101]

This is one thing I dont like about this board. When you read a thred and the answers. It hard to tell whos opinion is better than the others. You have to read a thousand post on one thing to get maybe the right answer. Then when you think you have it its disproved. I wish when you read something it was from someone who you knew knew what they were talking about. So many contradictions around here. Thats why I think I should get a book like dan duchaines or something. I think that would be better money spent then a platinum membership what ya think ?

well thats how it goes buddy. there is always going to a study that contradicts another study. there will always be an opinion that contradicts another opinion. thats life

 

[The Terminator]

Re: Re: Hcg homework...double check?!

Some people seem to think that Anastrazole will give you an strogen rebound while Aromasin won't. I think I would agree with them.

Through what different mechanism (because it is a "suicide inhibitor"? (I don't think I buy that one...)
(Though I am always up to discuss the reasons why one might believe that... )