Hanoi Jane - Is all this true??

[the nature boy]

A group of POWs which included a Col. Larry Carrigan were brought out to visit with Fonda. According to fonda walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Many of the POW's were listed as missing in action so to identify themselves to American authorities, they each wrote their Social Security numbers on small pieces of paper and slipped them to Fonda as she greeted them. To their horror, after Fonda finished meeting them, she turned to the North Vietnamese commanding officer and handed him the POW's pieces of paper. In the beatings that followed, three American POW's died and Col. Carrigan nearly died.

I wouldn't piss on jane fonda if she was on fire..

where did you get this story from?

 

[Prometheus]

where did you get this story from?

see the link posted above.........

 

[RyanH]

Ryan,

I think that we are arguing two issues here. Do I hate Jane Fonda for opposing the war in Vietnam, even speaking out nationally about it? No. I do, however have complete disdain for the fact that she actively took part in concealing the torture and killing that the Vietnamese were inflicting upon POW's. I firmly believe that hundreds of POW's would have come home years earlier if not for the efforts of Hanoi Jane.

I don't necessarily agree in our involvment in Vietnam, but I think that Jane Fonda is just as guilty of war crimes as the officers of the Viet Kong. Draft dodgers did nothing to further the suffering and death of American soldiers, doctors, nurses, priests, and missionaries. That is where the difference lies, and that is way Jane Fonda is one of the most dispicable Americans I have ever seen.

Bigguns--
The story is false. While Ms. Fonda did indeed go to Vietnam she is not responsible for any deaths by handing ANYTHING over to the Vietnamese. I found several accounts on the internet refuting this outrageous story circulating, and further, where is the proof? Remember, innocent until proven guilty is an American hallmark.....This is only an extremist plot to destroy Ms. Fonda's restored reputation.
Ryan.
Here is one account:

By David Emery

Email rumors blending fact and fiction about Jane Fonda's activities as an anti-war protester during the 1970s have reopened old wounds for Vietnam veterans and inspired a new round of recriminations for things the actress did long ago, and things she never did.

The rumors (see next page) center around Fonda's tour of North Vietnam in 1972, during which she cozied up to the enemy, posing for photo ops with communist troops and broadcasting anti-American propaganda over Radio Hanoi.

During the same trip she participated in a staged press conference with American POWs, the purpose of which was to demonstrate that they were not being mistreated by their captors. Years later when the released POWs described the torture and degradation they really did suffer at the hands of the North Vietnamese, Fonda called them "hypocrites and liars."

Those facts are not under dispute. Fonda's behavior at that time, considered treasonous by some, earned her the nickname "Hanoi Jane" among the veterans and POWs of the Vietnam War, some of whom hate her to this day.

Since the '70s Fonda has revamped her image several times over, rededicating herself to her acting career, becoming a fitness guru in the early '80s, and marrying billionaire Ted Turner in 1991. In 1988 she delivered a televised apology to Vietnam veterans and their families, a gesture that didn't mollify everyone but established some distance between the new Fonda and old Fonda, whose actions, she finally admitted, had been "thoughtless and careless."

As the '90s progressed Fonda's past was less frequently brought up as an issue and seemed to dwindle in importance – until this year, that is, when Barbara Walters chose to honor the actress in a TV special called "A Celebration: 100 Years of Great Women." The announcement of the program – which aired in April 1999 and did honor Jane Fonda – prompted an instant outcry from veterans and ex-POWs, many of whom vented their indignation via the Internet. Angry recriminations were posted in newsgroups, published in newsletters and on Web pages, and shared by email.

Apparently bits and pieces of these texts, along with a few shameless fabrications, were cobbled together by persons unknown to create the "Hanoi Jane" diatribe which still circulates today. Parts of it are true and parts of it are false.

 

[Steroid_Virgin]

Another infamous deed of Fonda is the naming of her son, Troy. Fonda returned to Vietnam shortly after the war ended in 1975, with her small son, to attend a special service being held in her honor. Fonda was still a recognized idol and hero to the Communist regime from her earlier years of sending money, food and moral support to the North Vietnamese. But the ceremony, it turned out, was not just to recognize and honor Fonda for her love of the Communists. Her newborn son was formally christened and named for the Communist hero Nguyen Van Troi. Troi was a Viet Cong Sapper who was executed by the South Vietnamese in 1963 for attempting to assassinate U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara. Immediately after the christening ceremony, the baby developed a serious case of bronchitis, according to reports. The Vietnamese and Fonda panicked and called for a Russian doctor. The child was treated and Fonda and her child returned to the United States.

 

[Steroid_Virgin]

Fonda's actions stirred up a firestorm in America, prompting nationwide demands that she be tried for treason. David Hoffman, a former POW who was shot down over North Vietnam in 1971, said that he had been tortured because of Fonda's visit to Hanoi. "The torture resulted in a permanent injury that plagues me to this day," says Hoffman, who suffers a disfigured arm inflicted by brutal communist guards at the POW camp known as the "Zoo." "When Jane Fonda turned up, she asked that some of us come out and talk with her," he recalled bitterly. "No one wanted to. The guards got very upset, because they sensed the propaganda value of a famous American war protestor proving how well they were treating us. "A couple of guards came to my cell and ordered me out. I resisted, and they got violently angry. My arm had been broken when I was shot down, and the Vietnamese broke it a second time. It had not healed well, and they knew it caused me great pain. "They twisted it. Excruciating pain ripped through my body. "Still I resisted and they got more violent, hitting me and shouting, 'You must go!' I knew there was a limit to which I could push them before they might actually kill me. "I was dragged out to see Fonda. I decided to play the role. I knew if I didn't, not only would I suffer - but the other guys would be tortured or beaten or worse. "When I saw Fonda and heard her antiwar rhetoric, I was almost sick to my stomach. She called us criminals and murderers.

 

[Steroid_Virgin]

That there was a consistent pro-Communist, anti-American, propaganda theme to virtually everything uttered by Fonda in her broadcasts from Hanoi, that Fonda's statements reveal a clear intent to aid the North Vietnamese and injure the United States, cannot be disputed.

 

[RyanH]

Finally, instead of focusing on Ms. Fonda's irrelevant past, why not focus on what she has done over the last couple of decades?

Ms. Fonda has been a staunch defender of a woman's right to privacy/right to choose; she has also been a major advocate for assisting teen mothers and women with cancer.

the good that one does should always outweigh the bad. Unfortunately, Ms. Fonda's critics live not only in the past but with misguided anger as well.

I'm finished responding to these harsh attacks on Ms. Fonda's character. Enjoy the assault as it will get you no where---Ms. Fonda will continue to be remembered as both a faithful public servant and as a fine actress.

carry on...

Ryan.

 

[decem]

I'm finished responding to these harsh attacks on Ms. Fonda's character.

you are such a sissy.

 

[bigguns7]

Bigguns--
The story is false. While Ms. Fonda did indeed go to Vietnam she is not responsible for any deaths by handing ANYTHING over to the Vietnamese. I found several accounts on the internet refuting this outrageous story circulating, and further, where is the proof? Remember, innocent until proven guilty is an American hallmark.....This is only an extremist plot to destroy Ms. Fonda's restored reputation.
Ryan.
Here is one account:

By David Emery

Email rumors blending fact and fiction about Jane Fonda's activities as an anti-war protester during the 1970s have reopened old wounds for Vietnam veterans and inspired a new round of recriminations for things the actress did long ago, and things she never did.

The rumors (see next page) center around Fonda's tour of North Vietnam in 1972, during which she cozied up to the enemy, posing for photo ops with communist troops and broadcasting anti-American propaganda over Radio Hanoi.

During the same trip she participated in a staged press conference with American POWs, the purpose of which was to demonstrate that they were not being mistreated by their captors. Years later when the released POWs described the torture and degradation they really did suffer at the hands of the North Vietnamese, Fonda called them "hypocrites and liars."

Those facts are not under dispute. Fonda's behavior at that time, considered treasonous by some, earned her the nickname "Hanoi Jane" among the veterans and POWs of the Vietnam War, some of whom hate her to this day.

Since the '70s Fonda has revamped her image several times over, rededicating herself to her acting career, becoming a fitness guru in the early '80s, and marrying billionaire Ted Turner in 1991. In 1988 she delivered a televised apology to Vietnam veterans and their families, a gesture that didn't mollify everyone but established some distance between the new Fonda and old Fonda, whose actions, she finally admitted, had been "thoughtless and careless."

As the '90s progressed Fonda's past was less frequently brought up as an issue and seemed to dwindle in importance – until this year, that is, when Barbara Walters chose to honor the actress in a TV special called "A Celebration: 100 Years of Great Women." The announcement of the program – which aired in April 1999 and did honor Jane Fonda – prompted an instant outcry from veterans and ex-POWs, many of whom vented their indignation via the Internet. Angry recriminations were posted in newsgroups, published in newsletters and on Web pages, and shared by email.

Apparently bits and pieces of these texts, along with a few shameless fabrications, were cobbled together by persons unknown to create the "Hanoi Jane" diatribe which still circulates today. Parts of it are true and parts of it are false.

You ask for proof, and then you post this? Why do you preach about proof and then post a story written from another editiorial slant? I guess the only "proof" we have is the words of the POW's who were there, and I truly don't see why they would lie.

Hanoi Jane used her celebrity to actively deny POW's the rights they deserved. Ryan, you are the most concerned member on this board when it comes to protecting those who are denied rights, and punishing organizinations and people who break the laws, especially relating to crimes against humanity.

This is nothing but double-talk on your part, and you should be willing to admit that. Treating prisoners of war improperly is just as deplorable an act as treating homosexuals, blacks, or Jews improperly. You would stand up against any person who furthered that kind of cause, so why don't you stand up against Jane Fonda?

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Jane Fonda reflects the best of America----Americans dissenting against their government when their government does stupid things....i.e. getting involved in Vietnam.

You're missing the point, (shocker!)

She wasn't dissenting against the government. She was dissenting against the soldiers who had no part in the decision to start the war, and were only there under orders.

Jane will be remembered as Hanoi Jane, whether she likes it or not.