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Hanoi Jane - Is all this true??

decem

New member
I received the following email for the first time about a year or two ago.. and someone just sent it to me again.. maybe you've seen it.. maybe not.. it's so hard to believe shit that people write or send over the internet.. including this.. what do you guys think? is there any truth to it?



SUBJECT: HANOI JANE
Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century." Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.

During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned, fed, clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.

At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not answer me.

This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget..."100 years of great women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.
 
I hate Jane Fonda's guts, I always have. But then again I was bred that way by family members who served. She is the farthest thing from an American (besides Bill Mahr) that I have ever seen.
 
Jane Fonda reflects the best of America----Americans dissenting against their government when their government does stupid things....i.e. getting involved in Vietnam.

I applaud Jane Fonda's years of public service to our nation.

Ryan.
 
RyanH said:
Jane Fonda reflects the best of America----Americans dissenting against their government when their government does stupid things....i.e. getting involved in Vietnam.

I applaud Jane Fonda's years of public service to our nation.

Ryan.


this stupid bitch "dissented" against the fucking people that fight to protect your freedom to post the type of fucking bullshit that you just did..

she should be fucking exiled.. and so should you..
 
ok, the question here is:

is she any better or worse than those who protested, avoided the draft by going to canada, or burned thier draft cards?
 
dgreenhill said:


talk about being brainwashed. You really think that Vietnam was protecting "our" freedom...lol

What a moron!!!


(excerpt from the article linked to above)

Whether the war was right or wrong, those who risked (and gave) their lives fighting it deserve respect, and for Fonda to brand men who were held captive and tortured as "liars" and "hypocrites" (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary) in order to defend her political views was and is unpardonable.
 
dgreenhill said:


talk about being brainwashed. You really think that Vietnam was protecting "our" freedom...lol

What a moron!!!



either way goatfucker.. the men called upon to fight for our country did so with honor.. they did so for their country.. they died for their country.. i'm sure this is a hard concept to grasp from a boy of your immaturity and cowardice.. but some people give a fuck about america.. and serve to protect it.. its values.. its culture.. and even fucking morons like you.. even if that means fighting for her when their approval/agreement of such military actions has been called into question..
 
dgreenhill said:



Where did I say that they didn't? You are reading to much into it. Vietnam was propagada pure and simple-it was wrong for us to be there.

To say that they were fighting for "our" freedom was the bullshit propaganda that these mens lives were spent.

That is the point. Decem isn't intelligent enough to see the truth.

Sure it very may well have been 100% bullshit, however these men were betrayed by a fellow American. Intelligence is often a matter of perception. Even if the left spouts impossible rhetoric, I'll still protect their right to do so.
So, at least some of us have an understanding of the word allegiance.
 
RyanH said:
Jane Fonda reflects the best of America----Americans dissenting against their government when their government does stupid things....i.e. getting involved in Vietnam.

I applaud Jane Fonda's years of public service to our nation.

Ryan.

You can like her all you want Ryan, I think putting her arm in your avatar is a bit much though.
 
RyanH said:
Jane Fonda reflects the best of America----Americans dissenting against their government when their government does stupid things....i.e. getting involved in Vietnam.

I applaud Jane Fonda's years of public service to our nation.

Ryan.

This statement proves that the Refreshments were right in their "Banditos" song's line that goes, "because everybody knows the world is full of stupid people". I am sorry to flame you but you deserve it for that statement. No wonder you think Bill Clinton was such a wonderful president. And another thing stop referring to Bill Clinton as President Clinton:: NEWS FLASH:: he is no longer president thanks God.
 
minion.. just noticed your location is guam.. who are you with out there? i went over for a few weeks in '97 or '98.. i was with a marine platoon.. and we went there to train the seabees..

i also have a friend out there right now.. and i need to get a hold of the fucker.. he's a doc.. and i think he's at the naval hospital.. let me know nugga.. maybe you could relay a message for me..

thx yo..



goatfucker.. your ignorance is showing through more and more with each consecutive post on this thead..

lol @ addickt..
 
dgreenhill said:



look at you talk about concept of immaturity and cowardice. you are the one sitting behing a computer calling people goatfucker


lol-go back to History class

Exactly, I completely agree with you. Most anyone with any common sense was against the war in Vietnam, even the best educated. There are draft dodgers from both the Republican and Democratic party who opposed the war by simplying not going.

Jane Fonda's act is no more culpable than the thousands of draft dodgers actions were. This is simply an attempt to attack a woman who has done a great deal for women's issues in our country simply because her critics 1) disagree with her agenda, and 2) because she is a convenient escape goat for a lost "cause."

Your attacks on women are deplorable.

Ryan.
 
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kinda off subject here...

Jane Traitor has a apartment in Atlanta.. she was living in The Fulton Cotton Mill Lofts when I was there about 2 years ago (she was building a house) . She used to stop and talk with my friends wife. When I figured out what kind of car she had. (Infinity SUV) I used to blow a big nasty lungie on the windshield once a week or more.

To dispise someone would not come close to my hatred for what she did. I think we should put her and John Walker together in the same cage and move them to the Veterans Memorial in DC.... let some cracked out Vietnam vets have at them.
 
decem and dgreen - I agree with both of you

Vietnam was a poorly conceived and executed war, and it wasn't worth the life of even one US soldier. It's not unpatriotic to criticize it or the loss of US lives. however, that is not the same as condemning the soldiers, who were following orders, and many of whom were forced to serve. blaming the soldiers for the war is just plain stupid and despicable.

fonda went far beyond criticising the war - she actually SUPPORTED the enemy and used her fame to turn the public against their own soldiers, which was, besides being treasonous, vile and disgusting.

perhaps even worse is ryanh, who has the audacity and insensitivity to support this act even given the benefit of hindsight and historical perspective. that is truly inexcusable.
 
RyanH said:


Exactly, I completely agree with you. Most anyone with any common sense was against the war in Vietnam, even the best educated. There are draft dodgers from both the Republican and Democratic party who opposed the war by simplying not going.

Jane Fonda's act is no more culpable than the thousands of draft dodgers actions were. This is simply an attempt to attack a woman who has done a great deal for women's issues in our country simply because her critics 1) disagree with her agenda, and 2) because she is a convenient escape goat for a lost "cause."

Your attacks on women are deplorable.

Ryan.

Ryan,

I think that we are arguing two issues here. Do I hate Jane Fonda for opposing the war in Vietnam, even speaking out nationally about it? No. I do, however have complete disdain for the fact that she actively took part in concealing the torture and killing that the Vietnamese were inflicting upon POW's. I firmly believe that hundreds of POW's would have come home years earlier if not for the efforts of Hanoi Jane.

I don't necessarily agree in our involvment in Vietnam, but I think that Jane Fonda is just as guilty of war crimes as the officers of the Viet Kong. Draft dodgers did nothing to further the suffering and death of American soldiers, doctors, nurses, priests, and missionaries. That is where the difference lies, and that is way Jane Fonda is one of the most dispicable Americans I have ever seen.
 
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A group of POWs which included a Col. Larry Carrigan were brought out to visit with Fonda. According to fonda walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Many of the POW's were listed as missing in action so to identify themselves to American authorities, they each wrote their Social Security numbers on small pieces of paper and slipped them to Fonda as she greeted them. To their horror, after Fonda finished meeting them, she turned to the North Vietnamese commanding officer and handed him the POW's pieces of paper. In the beatings that followed, three American POW's died and Col. Carrigan nearly died.

I wouldn't piss on jane fonda if she was on fire..
 
Steroid_Virgin said:
A group of POWs which included a Col. Larry Carrigan were brought out to visit with Fonda. According to fonda walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Many of the POW's were listed as missing in action so to identify themselves to American authorities, they each wrote their Social Security numbers on small pieces of paper and slipped them to Fonda as she greeted them. To their horror, after Fonda finished meeting them, she turned to the North Vietnamese commanding officer and handed him the POW's pieces of paper. In the beatings that followed, three American POW's died and Col. Carrigan nearly died.

I wouldn't piss on jane fonda if she was on fire..

where did you get this story from?
 
bigguns7 said:


Ryan,

I think that we are arguing two issues here. Do I hate Jane Fonda for opposing the war in Vietnam, even speaking out nationally about it? No. I do, however have complete disdain for the fact that she actively took part in concealing the torture and killing that the Vietnamese were inflicting upon POW's. I firmly believe that hundreds of POW's would have come home years earlier if not for the efforts of Hanoi Jane.

I don't necessarily agree in our involvment in Vietnam, but I think that Jane Fonda is just as guilty of war crimes as the officers of the Viet Kong. Draft dodgers did nothing to further the suffering and death of American soldiers, doctors, nurses, priests, and missionaries. That is where the difference lies, and that is way Jane Fonda is one of the most dispicable Americans I have ever seen.

Bigguns--
The story is false. While Ms. Fonda did indeed go to Vietnam she is not responsible for any deaths by handing ANYTHING over to the Vietnamese. I found several accounts on the internet refuting this outrageous story circulating, and further, where is the proof? Remember, innocent until proven guilty is an American hallmark.....This is only an extremist plot to destroy Ms. Fonda's restored reputation.
Ryan.
Here is one account:

By David Emery

Email rumors blending fact and fiction about Jane Fonda's activities as an anti-war protester during the 1970s have reopened old wounds for Vietnam veterans and inspired a new round of recriminations for things the actress did long ago, and things she never did.

The rumors (see next page) center around Fonda's tour of North Vietnam in 1972, during which she cozied up to the enemy, posing for photo ops with communist troops and broadcasting anti-American propaganda over Radio Hanoi.

During the same trip she participated in a staged press conference with American POWs, the purpose of which was to demonstrate that they were not being mistreated by their captors. Years later when the released POWs described the torture and degradation they really did suffer at the hands of the North Vietnamese, Fonda called them "hypocrites and liars."

Those facts are not under dispute. Fonda's behavior at that time, considered treasonous by some, earned her the nickname "Hanoi Jane" among the veterans and POWs of the Vietnam War, some of whom hate her to this day.

Since the '70s Fonda has revamped her image several times over, rededicating herself to her acting career, becoming a fitness guru in the early '80s, and marrying billionaire Ted Turner in 1991. In 1988 she delivered a televised apology to Vietnam veterans and their families, a gesture that didn't mollify everyone but established some distance between the new Fonda and old Fonda, whose actions, she finally admitted, had been "thoughtless and careless."

As the '90s progressed Fonda's past was less frequently brought up as an issue and seemed to dwindle in importance – until this year, that is, when Barbara Walters chose to honor the actress in a TV special called "A Celebration: 100 Years of Great Women." The announcement of the program – which aired in April 1999 and did honor Jane Fonda – prompted an instant outcry from veterans and ex-POWs, many of whom vented their indignation via the Internet. Angry recriminations were posted in newsgroups, published in newsletters and on Web pages, and shared by email.

Apparently bits and pieces of these texts, along with a few shameless fabrications, were cobbled together by persons unknown to create the "Hanoi Jane" diatribe which still circulates today. Parts of it are true and parts of it are false.
 
Another infamous deed of Fonda is the naming of her son, Troy. Fonda returned to Vietnam shortly after the war ended in 1975, with her small son, to attend a special service being held in her honor. Fonda was still a recognized idol and hero to the Communist regime from her earlier years of sending money, food and moral support to the North Vietnamese. But the ceremony, it turned out, was not just to recognize and honor Fonda for her love of the Communists. Her newborn son was formally christened and named for the Communist hero Nguyen Van Troi. Troi was a Viet Cong Sapper who was executed by the South Vietnamese in 1963 for attempting to assassinate U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara. Immediately after the christening ceremony, the baby developed a serious case of bronchitis, according to reports. The Vietnamese and Fonda panicked and called for a Russian doctor. The child was treated and Fonda and her child returned to the United States.
 
Fonda's actions stirred up a firestorm in America, prompting nationwide demands that she be tried for treason. David Hoffman, a former POW who was shot down over North Vietnam in 1971, said that he had been tortured because of Fonda's visit to Hanoi. "The torture resulted in a permanent injury that plagues me to this day," says Hoffman, who suffers a disfigured arm inflicted by brutal communist guards at the POW camp known as the "Zoo." "When Jane Fonda turned up, she asked that some of us come out and talk with her," he recalled bitterly. "No one wanted to. The guards got very upset, because they sensed the propaganda value of a famous American war protestor proving how well they were treating us. "A couple of guards came to my cell and ordered me out. I resisted, and they got violently angry. My arm had been broken when I was shot down, and the Vietnamese broke it a second time. It had not healed well, and they knew it caused me great pain. "They twisted it. Excruciating pain ripped through my body. "Still I resisted and they got more violent, hitting me and shouting, 'You must go!' I knew there was a limit to which I could push them before they might actually kill me. "I was dragged out to see Fonda. I decided to play the role. I knew if I didn't, not only would I suffer - but the other guys would be tortured or beaten or worse. "When I saw Fonda and heard her antiwar rhetoric, I was almost sick to my stomach. She called us criminals and murderers.
 
That there was a consistent pro-Communist, anti-American, propaganda theme to virtually everything uttered by Fonda in her broadcasts from Hanoi, that Fonda's statements reveal a clear intent to aid the North Vietnamese and injure the United States, cannot be disputed.
 
Finally, instead of focusing on Ms. Fonda's irrelevant past, why not focus on what she has done over the last couple of decades?

Ms. Fonda has been a staunch defender of a woman's right to privacy/right to choose; she has also been a major advocate for assisting teen mothers and women with cancer.

the good that one does should always outweigh the bad. Unfortunately, Ms. Fonda's critics live not only in the past but with misguided anger as well.

I'm finished responding to these harsh attacks on Ms. Fonda's character. Enjoy the assault as it will get you no where---Ms. Fonda will continue to be remembered as both a faithful public servant and as a fine actress.

carry on...

Ryan.
 
RyanH said:


Bigguns--
The story is false. While Ms. Fonda did indeed go to Vietnam she is not responsible for any deaths by handing ANYTHING over to the Vietnamese. I found several accounts on the internet refuting this outrageous story circulating, and further, where is the proof? Remember, innocent until proven guilty is an American hallmark.....This is only an extremist plot to destroy Ms. Fonda's restored reputation.
Ryan.
Here is one account:

By David Emery

Email rumors blending fact and fiction about Jane Fonda's activities as an anti-war protester during the 1970s have reopened old wounds for Vietnam veterans and inspired a new round of recriminations for things the actress did long ago, and things she never did.

The rumors (see next page) center around Fonda's tour of North Vietnam in 1972, during which she cozied up to the enemy, posing for photo ops with communist troops and broadcasting anti-American propaganda over Radio Hanoi.

During the same trip she participated in a staged press conference with American POWs, the purpose of which was to demonstrate that they were not being mistreated by their captors. Years later when the released POWs described the torture and degradation they really did suffer at the hands of the North Vietnamese, Fonda called them "hypocrites and liars."

Those facts are not under dispute. Fonda's behavior at that time, considered treasonous by some, earned her the nickname "Hanoi Jane" among the veterans and POWs of the Vietnam War, some of whom hate her to this day.

Since the '70s Fonda has revamped her image several times over, rededicating herself to her acting career, becoming a fitness guru in the early '80s, and marrying billionaire Ted Turner in 1991. In 1988 she delivered a televised apology to Vietnam veterans and their families, a gesture that didn't mollify everyone but established some distance between the new Fonda and old Fonda, whose actions, she finally admitted, had been "thoughtless and careless."

As the '90s progressed Fonda's past was less frequently brought up as an issue and seemed to dwindle in importance – until this year, that is, when Barbara Walters chose to honor the actress in a TV special called "A Celebration: 100 Years of Great Women." The announcement of the program – which aired in April 1999 and did honor Jane Fonda – prompted an instant outcry from veterans and ex-POWs, many of whom vented their indignation via the Internet. Angry recriminations were posted in newsgroups, published in newsletters and on Web pages, and shared by email.

Apparently bits and pieces of these texts, along with a few shameless fabrications, were cobbled together by persons unknown to create the "Hanoi Jane" diatribe which still circulates today. Parts of it are true and parts of it are false.

You ask for proof, and then you post this? Why do you preach about proof and then post a story written from another editiorial slant? I guess the only "proof" we have is the words of the POW's who were there, and I truly don't see why they would lie.

Hanoi Jane used her celebrity to actively deny POW's the rights they deserved. Ryan, you are the most concerned member on this board when it comes to protecting those who are denied rights, and punishing organizinations and people who break the laws, especially relating to crimes against humanity.

This is nothing but double-talk on your part, and you should be willing to admit that. Treating prisoners of war improperly is just as deplorable an act as treating homosexuals, blacks, or Jews improperly. You would stand up against any person who furthered that kind of cause, so why don't you stand up against Jane Fonda?
 
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RyanH said:
Jane Fonda reflects the best of America----Americans dissenting against their government when their government does stupid things....i.e. getting involved in Vietnam.


You're missing the point, (shocker!)

She wasn't dissenting against the government. She was dissenting against the soldiers who had no part in the decision to start the war, and were only there under orders.

Jane will be remembered as Hanoi Jane, whether she likes it or not.
 
RyanH said:


Years later when the released POWs described the torture and degradation they really did suffer at the hands of the North Vietnamese, Fonda called them "hypocrites and liars."

Those facts are not under dispute.

Thanks. I could not have said it better myself.
 
dgreenhill said:


this isn't necessary at all. Ryan is entitled to his opinion without childish insults.

Aint that right Wodin?

no.. he said that you and i must stop our war.. he didn't say anything about my war against everyone else.. i shall trudge on..
 
RyanH said:
Jane Fonda reflects the best of America----Americans dissenting against their government when their government does stupid things....i.e. getting involved in Vietnam.

I applaud Jane Fonda's years of public service to our nation.

Ryan.

You have to be kidding. Fonda did what she did because she wanted the Commies to win, plain and simple. She believed in socialist totalitarianism. Whether she still does or not, I don't know...she seems to have embraced capitalism pretty aggressively later in life.

No matter how one felt about the American involvement in Vietnam, it's entirely possible to respect anti-war protesters who do so consistently and out of noble beliefs. Case in point: Joan Baez, who protested against the war but ALSO spoke out against the North Vietnamese government (both during and after the war, when they became the government of the reunited Vietnam) for their lack of regard for human rights.

When asked about the behaviour of the Vietnamese Commies, Fonda once said something to the effect of "I don't criticize socialist governments"

Oh yes, that's the stance of a fine supporter of peace and human rights, a true asset to our nation.
 
RyanH said:
Jane Fonda reflects the best of America----Americans dissenting against their government when their government does stupid things....i.e. getting involved in Vietnam.

I applaud Jane Fonda's years of public service to our nation.

Ryan.

Well that does it. You mother fucker. You are such a piece of shit Ryan. I swear this to you now, if we ever meet (i frequent ATL ) i am going to tear that little pencil you call an arm off and stab you with it.
 
i believe later jane fonda apologized, as if to admit what she did was wrong. the story that people tell me that actually were living and following it was that she was just to stupid to UNDERSTAND what she had REALLY done. she sounds like a piece of shit to me.
 
spongebob said:
i believe later jane fonda apologized, as if to admit what she did was wrong. the story that people tell me that actually were living and following it was that she was just to stupid to UNDERSTAND what she had REALLY done. she sounds like a piece of shit to me.

Word.l
 
RyanH said:
Finally, instead of focusing on Ms. Fonda's irrelevant past, why not focus on what she has done over the last couple of decades?

Ms. Fonda has been a staunch defender of a woman's right to privacy/right to choose; she has also been a major advocate for assisting teen mothers and women with cancer.

the good that one does should always outweigh the bad. Unfortunately, Ms. Fonda's critics live not only in the past but with misguided anger as well.

I'm finished responding to these harsh attacks on Ms. Fonda's character. Enjoy the assault as it will get you no where---Ms. Fonda will continue to be remembered as both a faithful public servant and as a fine actress.

carry on...

Ryan.

Ryan, if what she has done in these past decades that you wish us to focus on is relevant, then certainly what she did before that is just as relevant, if not more so...

Fuck Jane Fonda...this bitch disgusts me whether the slips of paper thing is true or not.
 
spongebob said:
she was just to stupid to UNDERSTAND what she had REALLY done. she sounds like a piece of shit to me.


agreed - she's probably yet another I'm-so-special hollywood type that mistakes being widely known with being important.

still, I don't know of any intelligence requirement in the law against treason - plenty of stupid idiots in prison too dumb to understand the ramifications of their actions - she should be in there with them.
 
RyanH
Finally, instead of focusing on Ms. Fonda's irrelevant past, why not focus on what she has done over the last couple of decades?


Lest you forget Ryan,

"Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."


It would appear that you consider both you and your heros above reproach and not in need of heeding to life's lesson. I believe vanity describes your defense.
 
Check out www.urbanlegends.about.com! The Jane Fonda story is up there on the list of the top 25 -- right next to the one about Walmart allegedly making its employees cough up the money for the US flag flying at the stores.

It's amazing how people can get worked up about haff truths. Half of the Fonda story appears to be true -- but apparently the worse half is not. BTW urban legends is a real interesting site to visit whenever this one is slow or down.
 
The Nature Boy said:
ok, the question here is:

is she any better or worse than those who protested, avoided the draft by going to canada, or burned thier draft cards?

because of her 3 fucking people were beaten to death! what the fuck?
 
p0ink said:


because of her 3 fucking people were beaten to death! what the fuck?

Lets face it.. as long as we contine to hold her to the level of fresh pig shit.. our kids will remember why she is the enemy of humanity.. her and Hillary Clinton.
 
dballer said:


Lets face it.. as long as we contine to hold her to the level of fresh pig shit.. our kids will remember why she is the enemy of humanity.. her and Hillary Clinton.


as vile and nauseating as fonda is, she is Mother Theresa compared to hillary rodham.
 
ryanh,

i bet you are one of those fucked up people that think that communism is a good idea and that the only reason it failed was because we didnt try it. it must have been a real bummer when your old friend, gorvechaf (i have no clue how to spell his name) even announced that communism was a failure and that it was all based on propaganda.
 
p0ink said:
ryanh,

i bet you are one of those fucked up people that think that communism is a good idea and that the only reason it failed was because we didnt try it. it must have been a real bummer when your old friend, gorvechaf (i have no clue how to spell his name) even announced that communism was a failure and that it was all based on propaganda.


there are 3 types of people that support communism:

1) overprivelaged idealists who believe in Utopia.
2) the poor, seeing it as a way to steal from the rich.
3) elitists who think they are superior to everyone else and therefore should be in a position to dictate the lives of the common folk (while naturally not themselves being subject to the same rules because of their superiority).

which one does ryanh fit into? - I'd say 3, but he might just be 1.
 
Prometheus said:



(excerpt from the article linked to above)

Whether the war was right or wrong, those who risked (and gave) their lives fighting it deserve respect, and for Fonda to brand men who were held captive and tortured as "liars" and "hypocrites" (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary) in order to defend her political views was and is unpardonable.

Do they deserve respect, or where they a bunch of stupid tools for going, or were they innocent suckers? I can see if it had anything to with the freedom of the USA as a whole, but shit, this was someplace we didn't belong, we had absolutely no point to being there. After seeing movies like Platoon...if that's how a lot of our soldiers turned out to be, I have mixed thoughts of them being total scumbag pieces of shit, but then of course I also have a great amount of pity and understanding towards them, as some just didn't know better and that's what happened to them, they became monsters.
 
Prometheus said:

Prometheus, did you actually READ the web link you posted? It clearly says that while JF said many fucked up things she did not hand over slips of paper to the VC, therefore she was not responsible for the deaths of POWs in that sense. The Corrigan guy even specifically said the story was false.

That said, she is still a despicable human being and does not deserve to be honored as being a great American. I seriously question Barabara Wlaters' judgement on this one.

JC
 
JC - I did read it, and saw what you're referring to - you're right. guess I was referring to her visiting the enemy, offering support to them, bad-mouthing US soldiers, etc., which is bad enough for me regardless of whether the paper-handing thing is false or not ...
 
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