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got a child support statement in the mail....

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you know what's on it? it's full o' big fat zero's. kinda hard to provide for my daughter with THAT.... thanks, mom. disappear like a fart in the wind. like keyser soze. deadbeat parents piss me off....:kaioken:
 
the lady doesnt have to pay anything?
 
the lady doesnt have to pay anything?
oh, she's spose to. she got herself fired from work. but the bish won't chip in for a damn thing. i can't get her to reimburse me for her half of a $4 prescription for my daughter. she says she doesn't have to cuz i didn't "submit the paperwork" to her within 30 days. whatever. karma's gonna catch up to her. the real karma.
 
she shouldnt have to pitch in for anything other then pay the required payment monthly/weekly however you have it set up...if she is missing payments then she is having debt adding up... if she got fired then she will have unemplyment and you are still entitled to that..call your case worker.. when she does start workign again you will get her tax return this year if she has anythign coming back..
 
she shouldnt have to pitch in for anything other then pay the required payment monthly/weekly however you have it set up...if she is missing payments then she is having debt adding up... if she got fired then she will have unemplyment and you are still entitled to that..call your case worker.. when she does start workign again you will get her tax return this year if she has anythign coming back..
other than her monthly amount, she has to reimburse me for any out-of-pocket expenses.... 50% of prescriptions, doctor visit co-pays, etc.... nada. total wipeout. she just ignores the stuff i send her....
 
this is somethign that was agreed to thru court? if so keep your reciepts and give them to your case worker..if its somethign between just you and her then you are screwed
 
this is somethign that was agreed to thru court? if so keep your reciepts and give them to your case worker..if its somethign between just you and her then you are screwed
it's in the divorce decree. my lawyer has sent her a bill, too. she just ignores that as well....
 
Good luck dude. My brothers ex wife still owes him over 10k. Had you or I owed that much we'd be in prison. She moves on a regular so when social services catches her and revokes her license she just moves again. He has been getting her tax returns for a while but its pennies on the dollar. And every time he walks into the social services office he see's the same dead beat dad poster.

Now here is the clincher. She was MIA for 5 yrs! Shows up one day with a lawyer and decides she wants full custody. Needless to say after 40k in lawyers fee's and 2-3 yrs later. She gets X amount of weekends and 2-3 weeks in the summer. All that after NOT adhering to the judges orders that she had to maintain a set visitation schedule. Oh did i mention he had to live with my parents for 3 years in order to pay for the lawyer? And lets not forget the fact that she has remarried once and has had several "live in" boyfriends that the kids are subject to when they visit. The horror stories are fucking endless! Now when she decides to pay one month or he gets her tax return its like a small bonus for him.

Point is, she is not going to pay you. Live your life so it does not involve her as much as humanly possible. Be thankful you have your kids more than her. Karma is a bitch. It WILL come and bite her in the ass, Ive seen it happen for years and years with the same dumb c*nt. And when it does everyone knows why..........
 
As elite andy said, thank your lucky stars you have your kid.

Mine were taken from me for NO REASON with NO HOPE OF EVER EVER EVER getting them back again.

Now I will have to pay an ungodly amount of money for kids that I can't see or rescue from their abusive situation.

Just pay the money and enjoy the fact that you can parent your daughter unencumbered by an unfit parent. It will hurt her that her mother isn't there, true. But there are far worse situations that could hurt her more.

THERE IS NO JUSTICE.
 
Good luck dude. My brothers ex wife still owes him over 10k. Had you or I owed that much we'd be in prison. She moves on a regular so when social services catches her and revokes her license she just moves again. He has been getting her tax returns for a while but its pennies on the dollar. And every time he walks into the social services office he see's the same dead beat dad poster.

Now here is the clincher. She was MIA for 5 yrs! Shows up one day with a lawyer and decides she wants full custody. Needless to say after 40k in lawyers fee's and 2-3 yrs later. She gets X amount of weekends and 2-3 weeks in the summer. All that after NOT adhering to the judges orders that she had to maintain a set visitation schedule. Oh did i mention he had to live with my parents for 3 years in order to pay for the lawyer? And lets not forget the fact that she has remarried once and has had several "live in" boyfriends that the kids are subject to when they visit. The horror stories are fucking endless! Now when she decides to pay one month or he gets her tax return its like a small bonus for him.

Point is, she is not going to pay you. Live your life so it does not involve her as much as humanly possible. Be thankful you have your kids more than her. Karma is a bitch. It WILL come and bite her in the ass, Ive seen it happen for years and years with the same dumb c*nt. And when it does everyone knows why..........
dude. unfortunately, i gotta budget like the child support doesn't exist. like you said, when it does come, gotta pretend it's a bonus or something, kinda makes me feel like a turd for celebrating, but whatever. i celebrate by taking my daughter out to eat. can't really do that otherwise....
 
oh, she's spose to. she got herself fired from work. but the bish won't chip in for a damn thing. i can't get her to reimburse me for her half of a $4 prescription for my daughter. she says she doesn't have to cuz i didn't "submit the paperwork" to her within 30 days. whatever. karma's gonna catch up to her. the real karma.
if the situation was reversed, if SHE was supposed to get child support from YOU...don't you think she would be tawkin' to her lawyer? well,. what are YOU waiting on???? :confused:
 
if the situation was reversed, if SHE was supposed to get child support from YOU...don't you think she would be tawkin' to her lawyer? well,. what are YOU waiting on???? :confused:

Actually he doesn't need a lawyer to file an enforcement motion. It would cost him about 30$ filing fee and fill out the paperwork, attach a copy of the divorce decree and the receipts that you sent her asking for the court to force her to pay, or impress sanctions on her for non-payment.

No reason to waste money on a lawyer for something so simple.

Hell, my ex has been hammering my ass pro-se for over 3 years now, didn't matter how good my attorneys were or how ILLEGAL what he was doing was.

Something like this is a slam dunk simple. He just needs to go to the court house and ask the staff there to walk him through the process to file and ENFORCEMENT MOTION. It's really simple. Chances are you won't get the money right away but eventually yes, they will impose sanctions, ie - garnish income tax or some such. If you do this yourself then you won't have to worry about giving the money that was supposed to go to your kid to the lawyer for legal fees.
 
Actually he doesn't need a lawyer to file an enforcement motion. It would cost him about 30$ filing fee and fill out the paperwork, attach a copy of the divorce decree and the receipts that you sent her asking for the court to force her to pay, or impress sanctions on her for non-payment.

No reason to waste money on a lawyer for something so simple.

Hell, my ex has been hammering my ass pro-se for over 3 years now, didn't matter how good my attorneys were or how ILLEGAL what he was doing was.

Something like this is a slam dunk simple. He just needs to go to the court house and ask the staff there to walk him through the process to file and ENFORCEMENT MOTION. It's really simple. Chances are you won't get the money right away but eventually yes, they will impose sanctions, ie - garnish income tax or some such. If you do this yourself then you won't have to worry about giving the money that was supposed to go to your kid to the lawyer for legal fees.
tks for the correction.

even easier!!

if her prima donna ass was about to get locked up i bet she'd come up with the cash very quickly? :mad:
 
tks for the correction.

even easier!!

if her prima donna ass was about to get locked up i bet she'd come up with the cash very quickly? :mad:

Thats the problem dude. She will not get locked up. Not in the lib society we live in! Just like i said, bro's ex owes thousands! and she has never not once ever set foot inside a jail!
 
tks for the correction.

even easier!!

if her prima donna ass was about to get locked up i bet she'd come up with the cash very quickly? :mad:

Kids have been getting beaten out of child support by parents of BOTH genders for a very long time, nothing new bout that sadly enough.

Me, I get to pay RANSOM...

*sigh*

Now I truly know what it feels like to be a "father".

It's really sad when kids are trapped in such shitty situations, but believe me when I tell you, it could be far worse.

He should:

1. go down to the court house and file the enforcement motion. He doesn't even have to type, could hand write it. Pay the 30$ dollar filing fee. He may not even have to appear and argue. The facts are simple. He will most likely get awarded the order to enforce. Then if she still doesn't pay after 60 days/so he can file again and ask for sanctions ie garnishment of her income tax refund. He may or may not be awarded this but it will only cost another 30 bucks as opposed to 30K if he goes through a lawyer.

2. hug his child every day and every night and tell her/show her how much he loves her because he STILL CAN.

Lot of us don't have that luxury.
 
dude. unfortunately, i gotta budget like the child support doesn't exist. like you said, when it does come, gotta pretend it's a bonus or something, kinda makes me feel like a turd for celebrating, but whatever. i celebrate by taking my daughter out to eat. can't really do that otherwise....

What?!? Screw that! DO NOT feel like a turd! Raising a child on your own is damn expensive!
 
And as a PS - regardless of how messed up the mother is for whatever it is that she is doing either directly or indirectly to the child never EVER badmouth her to the child or allow any friend/family to badmouth the mother to the child. This will cause TREMENDOUS STRESS AND EMOTIONAL HARM to a young child. When that child is old enough they will realize the truth in their own good time.

This goes for both mothers and fathers.

Believe you me, I know how strong the urge is to let the child know what a douche the other parent is. It will serve NO USEFULL PURPOSE, but will only do harm to THE CHILD.
 
What?!? Screw that! DO NOT feel like a turd! Raising a child on your own is damn expensive!

Many women have been doing this since the dawn of time...

When my children were with me and their father either flat out didn't pay or tried to fudge numbers and withhold his corporate income tax returns to artificially reduce the amount of support he paid us my kids never knew why I couldn't afford things or why I had to work so many hours or why we needed food stamps to eat. All they knew is that "I couldn't afford it."

Now they are told that I am a selfish evil whore and they don't want to see me "because I haven't paid child support"... even when I WAS PAYING it.

So I said, "Fuck him... he ain't getting a dime."

Bottom line is my girls will NEVER SEE A PENNY of the money I will have to give their father.

*sigh*

I STILL have to pay it....

Like many MANY other men and women in this country.

C'est La Vie.
 
And as a PS - regardless of how messed up the mother is for whatever it is that she is doing either directly or indirectly to the child never EVER badmouth her to the child or allow any friend/family to badmouth the mother to the child. This will cause TREMENDOUS STRESS AND EMOTIONAL HARM to a young child. When that child is old enough they will realize the truth in their own good time.

This goes for both mothers and fathers.

Believe you me, I know how strong the urge is to let the child know what a douche the other parent is. It will serve NO USEFULL PURPOSE, but will only do harm to THE CHILD.
sometimes i just can't help it. i always figured she would appreciate me telling the truth to her rather than sugar-coating things. she wonders why her mother isn't around. i can't explain things any better than the truth, can i? it is what is it, right?
 
What?!? Screw that! DO NOT feel like a turd! Raising a child on your own is damn expensive!

The alternative is not having a child to raise? Didn't you know going into childbitrh that it wasn't a puppy? Of course it's expensive, but what price can you put on raising a child and seeing them suceed? I just got a second job and worked more hours, in those days you didn't get a chance to whine like a girl you just had to do what you had to do. The mother ALWAYS got custody and she controlled when and if you saw the kids. And if you didn't pay the sheriff would stop your ass and you would spend time in the local lockup until you figured out how to shit some cash.

The parent that had custody is damn lucky and that is that.
 
Thats the problem dude. She will not get locked up. Not in the lib society we live in! Just like i said, bro's ex owes thousands! and she has never not once ever set foot inside a jail!
she sure as heck won't get locked up or forced to pay up if you do NOTHING about it!

grow a pair, for chrissake, and get your ass down to the court house!
 
she sure as heck won't get locked up or forced to pay up if you do NOTHING about it!

grow a pair, for chrissake, and get your ass down to the court house!

what? bitching on a forum won't get me anywhere? why has god forsaken meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?????????
 
i am also totally baffled by this revelation
i have to file a motion to enforce, for the arrearage. yes, i said arrearage. and i also have to file a motion to modify, for the custody arrangement. according to it now, the ex gets visitation about half the time.... something she hasn't used in a while. my daughter hasn't spent an overnight there since august. why should i take less in CS because of a vapor visitation schedule?
 
i have to file a motion to enforce, for the arrearage. yes, i said arrearage. and i also have to file a motion to modify, for the custody arrangement. according to it now, the ex gets visitation about half the time.... something she hasn't used in a while. my daughter hasn't spent an overnight there since august. why should i take less in CS because of a vapor visitation schedule?

You are correct.

It always amazes me when a parent won't even TRY to play an active role in parenting their child... I have fought tooth and nail/spent ungodly amounts of money just for the ability to text my kids and now I got nothing except a FAT bill that I HAVE to pay whether I like it or not. No kids... just a bill.

Just love your daughter, don't badmouth her mother, when the child asks why her mother isn't there, tell the child THE TRUTH, "YOU DONT KNOW" then give her a hug and keep telling her every minute of every day that you love her and will ALWAYS love her and will never EVER stop loving her no matter what.

One day the child will realize that her mother dropped the ball. Whether her mother ever pulls her head out of her ass and tried to rectify the situation is not on you, that is ON HER. I know it makes you angry that you are put in this situation but if the mother does come around (meaning she gets her shit together) then do what you can to FACILITATE the relationship.

You read that last part right.

Your issues with the mother should be secondary to the child needing to have a relationship with the other parent. NO ONE WILL EVER TAKE YOUR PLACE. Be secure in that knowledge and don't ever let any hint of insecurity cause your judgment to be clouded.
 
you need to contact the state and let them do the collecting for you.. that way now or later she will pay, right from the paycheck..

or no drivers license..
 
And as a PS - regardless of how messed up the mother is for whatever it is that she is doing either directly or indirectly to the child never EVER badmouth her to the child or allow any friend/family to badmouth the mother to the child. This will cause TREMENDOUS STRESS AND EMOTIONAL HARM to a young child. When that child is old enough they will realize the truth in their own good time.

This goes for both mothers and fathers.

Believe you me, I know how strong the urge is to let the child know what a douche the other parent is. It will serve NO USEFULL PURPOSE, but will only do harm to THE CHILD.

He doesn't badmouth the mother, although, I understand this is common.
He ACTUALLY has tried VERY HARD to repair the mother/daughter relationship. Daughter has never really been able to get along with the mother. JFN2 paid for his daughter and the mother to go to a psychologist... over and over again with hopes of the relationship being prepared. Mom didn't even show for the appointments. The biggest fights I have ever known of JFN2 having with his wife(post-divorce)were all because he would try to get mom to spend time with the daughter.
Mom won't spend time with the daughter because daughter REFUSES to be around mom's new creepy boyfriend(creepy enough to have criminal records to back up how creepy he is..)
So, mom hasn't seen the daughter since Christmas. And even then only for a couple of hours. They were at my house. Mom spent the time talking about the new sound system she bought for creepy boyfriend.
Daughter looked like she wanted to vomit. Prolly because she didn't really get much from mom as far as gifts or TIME.
You are correct about how things usually go about parents "badmouthing" the other parent post-divorce, however, JFN is an exception to this rule.
 
Just pay the money and enjoy the fact that you can parent your daughter unencumbered by an unfit parent. It will hurt her that her mother isn't there, true. But there are far worse situations that could hurt her more.

So what you're saying - Women shouldn't have to pay child support. Men should be happy "they have a kid". If you're a man with child support, pay the fuck up.

Double Standards, I love it!!

r
 
man, bro, I am really sorry. And thanks to someone you have your daughter with you or at least in your life, I think I would die if I could not see my children, not physically, but emotionally. BM is a testament to the condition of emotional human endurance.
 
So what you're saying - Women shouldn't have to pay child support. Men should be happy "they have a kid". If you're a man with child support, pay the fuck up.

Double Standards, I love it!!

r
dood, your "logic" baffles me sometimes... :worried:
 
He doesn't badmouth the mother, although, I understand this is common.
He ACTUALLY has tried VERY HARD to repair the mother/daughter relationship. Daughter has never really been able to get along with the mother. JFN2 paid for his daughter and the mother to go to a psychologist... over and over again with hopes of the relationship being prepared. Mom didn't even show for the appointments. The biggest fights I have ever known of JFN2 having with his wife(post-divorce)were all because he would try to get mom to spend time with the daughter.
Mom won't spend time with the daughter because daughter REFUSES to be around mom's new creepy boyfriend(creepy enough to have criminal records to back up how creepy he is..)
So, mom hasn't seen the daughter since Christmas. And even then only for a couple of hours. They were at my house. Mom spent the time talking about the new sound system she bought for creepy boyfriend.
Daughter looked like she wanted to vomit. Prolly because she didn't really get much from mom as far as gifts or TIME.
You are correct about how things usually go about parents "badmouthing" the other parent post-divorce, however, JFN is an exception to this rule.
it's hard not to bad mouth her. i just don't have anything good that i can say, really. is there a difference? maybe, i should just keep my mouth shut....
 
As elite andy said, thank your lucky stars you have your kid.

Mine were taken from me for NO REASON with NO HOPE OF EVER EVER EVER getting them back again.

Now I will have to pay an ungodly amount of money for kids that I can't see or rescue from their abusive situation.

Just pay the money and enjoy the fact that you can parent your daughter unencumbered by an unfit parent. It will hurt her that her mother isn't there, true. But there are far worse situations that could hurt her more.

THERE IS NO JUSTICE.
When will you fuckers learn not to get BM started on kids?
 
it's hard not to bad mouth her. i just don't have anything good that i can say, really. is there a difference? maybe, i should just keep my mouth shut....

You do a much better job than I have,lately.
I should have been on ur side from the start .... but it was hard to not be on her side. She was my best friend for years and wasn't like this. I thought she was just going through a bad faze. I always thought she would return to reality.
Well, it's been over 2 years.
I only hear from her if she wants money or to stash shit at my house. Now, since I am having all of these strange charges pop up on my debit card and getting bills from doctors I have never heard of... I think it's time to change my locks since she still has a key.
I have not heard from her since the day after the reporters started calling about her(was that a month ago?).
This isn't a faze. It's a life change.
I am dealing with a ton of hurt and anger.
I'm sure you are,2...... but you are just keeping your mouth shut. I am venting to everyone willing to listen .... except for your daughter. She knows whats going on. She doesn't need to hear about it from us.
 
You do a much better job than I have,lately.
I should have been on ur side from the start .... but it was hard to not be on her side. She was my best friend for years and wasn't like this. I thought she was just going through a bad faze. I always thought she would return to reality.
Well, it's been over 2 years.
I only hear from her if she wants money or to stash shit at my house. Now, since I am having all of these strange charges pop up on my debit card and getting bills from doctors I have never heard of... I think it's time to change my locks since she still has a key.
I have not heard from her since the day after the reporters started calling about her(was that a month ago?).
This isn't a faze. It's a life change.
I am dealing with a ton of hurt and anger.
I'm sure you are,2...... but you are just keeping your mouth shut. I am venting to everyone willing to listen .... except for your daughter. She knows whats going on. She doesn't need to hear about it from us.
naw, she has enough to deal with, ya know.... i still think that there is SOME good in her. i can't help but think that. the person i fell in love with has GOT to be in there somewhere, right? all i want is for her to wake up and come home....
 
naw, she has enough to deal with, ya know.... i still think that there is SOME good in her. i can't help but think that. the person i fell in love with has GOT to be in there somewhere, right? all i want is for her to wake up and come home....

I know. And this is why u rawk. She is taking a big, steamy shit on EVERYONE(her daughter, friends, family) and she has been just getting worse. We have all put up with a TON. Besides you, I stuck around to deal with more of her shit than even her own parents would tolerate. I still have love/and a little hope for her because this is sooooo OPPOSITE of the girl we all knew before but maybe my own jadedness is starting to cloud my feelings about her. I would LOVE for her to get over this, whatever "this" is ....... but my hope is almost gone.
Ur being a real trooper.
 
I know. And this is why u rawk. She is taking a big, steamy shit on EVERYONE(her daughter, friends, family) and she has been just getting worse. We have all put up with a TON. Besides you, I stuck around to deal with more of her shit than even her own parents would tolerate. I still have love/and a little hope for her because this is sooooo OPPOSITE of the girl we all knew before but maybe my own jadedness is starting to cloud my feelings about her. I would LOVE for her to get over this, whatever "this" is ....... but my hope is almost gone.
Ur being a real trooper.
man, just buy me some walmart panties. thong panties. the bigget you can find. it will remind me of her....
 
man, just buy me some walmart panties. thong panties. the bigget you can find. it will remind me of her....

lol. DUDE! She still has some clothes at my house. Have not seen any panties but she's got some bras here ..... Walmart bras.
Next time you come over, they are all yours. You deserve them more than me. Sure, she's fucked me over but u were with her for like 18 years or whatever. U stood tha test of time. That deserves Walmart bras ....
 
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He doesn't badmouth the mother, although, I understand this is common.
He ACTUALLY has tried VERY HARD to repair the mother/daughter relationship. Daughter has never really been able to get along with the mother. JFN2 paid for his daughter and the mother to go to a psychologist... over and over again with hopes of the relationship being prepared. Mom didn't even show for the appointments. The biggest fights I have ever known of JFN2 having with his wife(post-divorce)were all because he would try to get mom to spend time with the daughter.
Mom won't spend time with the daughter because daughter REFUSES to be around mom's new creepy boyfriend(creepy enough to have criminal records to back up how creepy he is..)
So, mom hasn't seen the daughter since Christmas. And even then only for a couple of hours. They were at my house. Mom spent the time talking about the new sound system she bought for creepy boyfriend.
Daughter looked like she wanted to vomit. Prolly because she didn't really get much from mom as far as gifts or TIME.
You are correct about how things usually go about parents "badmouthing" the other parent post-divorce, however, JFN is an exception to this rule.

I don't know him from Adam. I was just giving some advice prophylactically. As a divorced parent, one that was married to a douche of epic proportions (I'd only met one woman personally who had a worse exhusband than mine. He killed their children.) I was only trying to help him NOT make the same mistakes that I and every other parent who'd been through a painfull divorce has most likely made at one time or another.

Nothing more and nothing less.

I feel for him and his child. It's truly sad when ANYONE (male or female) can't get their shit together and be a fucking parent, just get over the fact that the marriage didn't work out and move on with their adult life while co-parenting children from separate households. Doesn't matter if the mother or the father is the one that gets fucked - the child ALWAYS gets fucked.

:(
 
it's hard not to bad mouth her. i just don't have anything good that i can say, really. is there a difference? maybe, i should just keep my mouth shut....

Actually there is a TREMENDOUS difference between having nothing nice to say and pointing out the obvious negatives.

Keeping quiet works many times but when a child flat out corners you and asks why mom is this way or dad is that way, THE ONLY ANSWER that should come from the parent's mouth is, "I DONT KNOW."

This way you:

1. are being honest (being no one can EVER be in another person's head).

2. aren't hurting the child by saying something negative about the other parent.

My children told me last year (when I voluntarily apologized if I had said things about their spermdonor that hurt their feelings) that they REALLY appreciated the apology and they felt closer to me because I said I was sorry and recognized I did something wrong - that I could put my feelings aside and see their feelings. They all told me that they ALWAYS felt badly when either I or he would say ANYTHING negative about the other, whether it was true or not was irrelevant to them. It hurt them just the same.
 
I don't know him from Adam. I was just giving some advice prophylactically. As a divorced parent, one that was married to a douche of epic proportions (I'd only met one woman personally who had a worse exhusband than me. He killed their children.) I was only trying to help him NOT make the same mistakes that I and every other parent who'd been through a painfull divorce has most likely made at one time or another.

Nothing more and nothing less.

I feel for him and his child. It's truly sad when ANYONE (male or female) can't get their shit together and be a fucking parent, just get over the fact that the marriage didn't work out and move on with their adult life while co-parenting children from separate households. Doesn't matter if the mother or the father is the one that gets fucked - the child ALWAYS gets fucked.

:(

Agreed.
Its just really sad. There is soooo much going on with his daughter that we are not mentioning on the forum.
Some really tough stuff that would be hard for anyone to deal with, especially at her age.
It just makes me sad to see this girl not have the mother she NEEDS, especially now.
It sucks to know that my best friend is gone,well, gone crazy. She was the best friend I have EVER had. She was the maid of honor at my wedding. We have been attached at the hip for YEARS.
We have been through a lot together. Now, it's like she's dead or something. Plus, even though I know what happened to her isn't my fault, I feel guilt. I keep wondering if I could have done more to help her(TOTALLY NOT RATIONAL guilt, but still there).
And JFN2, well, he's dealing with it all better than the rest of us. But it's gotta be hard.
 
You can't BEGIN to realize how well I understand.

I have FOUR DAUGHTERS that have been literally emotionally, physically and spiritually destroyed.... all the money and fight in the world and I couldn't do a FUCKING THING to save them. Now it is too late and all I can do is pretend I am not dead on the inside.

He doesn't have to put it all out here. I understand 100% from THIS end of it...

All I can say is that she has a good parent - mother or father isn't what is most important for the child right now. Right now what matters is that she has AT LEAST ONE GOOD PARENT THAT CARES.

My children have NO ONE...

I have faith that if he has come this far (paying for the shrink TRYING to fix the relationship) then he is most likely an EXCELLENT PARENT and will figure out what to do next one way or another. We aren't 100% responsible for how our children turn out. At the end of the day we can only do our best and the rest will be up to them.
 
You can't BEGIN to realize how well I understand.

I have FOUR DAUGHTERS that have been literally emotionally, physically and spiritually destroyed.... all the money and fight in the world and I couldn't do a FUCKING THING to save them. Now it is too late and all I can do is pretend I am not dead on the inside.

He doesn't have to put it all out here. I understand 100% from THIS end of it...

All I can say is that she has a good parent - mother or father isn't what is most important for the child right now. Right now what matters is that she has AT LEAST ONE GOOD PARENT THAT CARES.

My children have NO ONE...

I have faith that if he has come this far (paying for the shrink TRYING to fix the relationship) then he is most likely an EXCELLENT PARENT and will figure out what to do next one way or another. We aren't 100% responsible for how our children turn out. At the end of the day we can only do our best and the rest will be up to them.

Agreed, again.
I honestly can't say I understand(from experience) what you and JFN are dealing with. I can imagine, but I understand that only "living it" can give the truest understanding.
I do, however, feel bad for your kids and JFN's daughter.
I CAN say that I have a deep understanding of the importance of good parents.
I had a really bad mother until I was 8. Then, I had no parents or family at all, until I was almost 12.
I really admire that you fight so hard for your kids. After I lost my family and had NOone, I wished someone would have been fighting to save me or help me. I didn't have that. I just had social services shipping me all around the state... never knowing where I was going. A car would just show up and my few belongings would be stuffed into a trashbag. Nobody tried to fight for me.
I got lucky. I was rescued by some great people. But those few years seemed to have lasted forever.
I admire your fight. And I'm sure knowing that you DO fight makes your kids feel better.
 
Agreed, again.
I honestly can't say I understand(from experience) what you and JFN are dealing with. I can imagine, but I understand that only "living it" can give the truest understanding.
I do, however, feel bad for your kids and JFN's daughter.
I CAN say that I have a deep understanding of the importance of good parents.
I had a really bad mother until I was 8. Then, I had no parents or family at all, until I was almost 12.
I really admire that you fight so hard for your kids. After I lost my family and had NOone, I wished someone would have been fighting to save me or help me. I didn't have that. I just had social services shipping me all around the state... never knowing where I was going. A car would just show up and my few belongings would be stuffed into a trashbag. Nobody tried to fight for me.
I got lucky. I was rescued by some great people. But those few years seemed to have lasted forever.
I admire your fight. And I'm sure knowing that you DO fight makes your kids feel better.

I got your PM and now my heart is doubly breaking for JFN and his daughter... I wish I could say that I believe "there is a greater plan" but that seems hollow when one is in the middle of hell.

I fought as hard as I could, Myway, for as long as I could but I can't fight anymore. It is just throwing money and effort out the window and makes my kids' situation worse.

So now all I want is an accurate accounting of income (up till now the court had imputed an income to me that I never made and my ex was allowed to lie about his artificially reducing it) and I will just send the check. No more texts, emails, IM's or packages of cookies. I was told that I was a tired old whore who is cheating on her perverted old husband, that my cookies make them sick, just STFU and die but don't forget to send that check before I do...

So I will quietly fade away, but keep sending that check.

Nothing more I can do.

I'm so sorry that you had to grow up like that. I fought for 9 nine years and have bankrupted two families (me AND my sister). My sister's family has been greatly affected as has mine.

ENOUGH.

My children are no longer babies that need a mother's guidance so I need to just accept that that time in my life is over - their childhood is forever gone and there is nothing I can do to get it back. Now all I can do is move ahead for myself and my husband and make the most of my life. If they ever come to me my life will be an real example that they had been lied to all these years. If they do not then my life will still be a great example of what one can do to live through hell and be well regardless.

I wish you and JFN nothing but happiness and good things. We all get knocked down, that's not what makes us special. That's "just life." What makes a person special is when they keep getting back up.

I'm not quitting by any stretch. I am just choosing to change my focus.
 
JFN, move to wa state, they go after support pretty hard. They'll track her ass down and take the money out of her check before she sees it, even if she's outta state.
I've had custody of my kid for about 11 years, but only took CS for about a year. I was tired of hearing the bitch crying. And the less I hear her, the better.
Count yourself lucky if the X stays away!
 
I would take sole custody with NO CONTACT from my ex and not a dime of support over my situation any day of the week. And I DID live it from the other end so I can accurately express my druthers.

I took care of four kids with NO SUPPORT from my ex WITH the additional expenses of feeding lawyers TRYING to maintain custody and I would give my LIFE if I could just go back to that time. Little did I know how much worse it was from THIS end.

But as I said so many times before, regardless of who gets fucked (mother or father - custody or support) the child(ren) ALWAYS GET FUCKED.

If ya'll only knew how close I come DAILY to going postal on the entire planet....

I know how hard it is for the parents out there forced to support their kids on their own. It's doubly insulting when that parent TRIES to do the right thing by facilitating a relationship between their kid(s) and the other parent. Believe me, I know. I lived it too.

Just count your blessings that you have your kid(s). Only expend the energy that you WANT TO going after the money. If it costs YOUR KID too much (either your time/frustration/money) then just leave it be. Use that energy instead to parent your kid(s) and let the other parent be held accountable at end of days when your child(ren) are old enough to ask that other parent on their own why they made the choices they made. You just go about YOUR LIFE WITH YOUR KID... leave that other parent to their misery.
 
thank god i have no kids.
the thought of my kids hanging out with douchebag boyfriends on my exs visits would drive me to murder.
 
I got your PM and now my heart is doubly breaking for JFN and his daughter... I wish I could say that I believe "there is a greater plan" but that seems hollow when one is in the middle of hell.

I fought as hard as I could, Myway, for as long as I could but I can't fight anymore. It is just throwing money and effort out the window and makes my kids' situation worse.

So now all I want is an accurate accounting of income (up till now the court had imputed an income to me that I never made and my ex was allowed to lie about his artificially reducing it) and I will just send the check. No more texts, emails, IM's or packages of cookies. I was told that I was a tired old whore who is cheating on her perverted old husband, that my cookies make them sick, just STFU and die but don't forget to send that check before I do...

So I will quietly fade away, but keep sending that check.

Nothing more I can do.

I'm so sorry that you had to grow up like that. I fought for 9 nine years and have bankrupted two families (me AND my sister). My sister's family has been greatly affected as has mine.

ENOUGH.

My children are no longer babies that need a mother's guidance so I need to just accept that that time in my life is over - their childhood is forever gone and there is nothing I can do to get it back. Now all I can do is move ahead for myself and my husband and make the most of my life. If they ever come to me my life will be an real example that they had been lied to all these years. If they do not then my life will still be a great example of what one can do to live through hell and be well regardless.

I wish you and JFN nothing but happiness and good things. We all get knocked down, that's not what makes us special. That's "just life." What makes a person special is when they keep getting back up.

I'm not quitting by any stretch. I am just choosing to change my focus.

My heart goes out to you.
I agree with what you said about how getting knocked down by life isn't what makes people special. You are SOOO right. EVERYONE has a story.
"LIFE" happens to everyone. What matters is what we do with it.
Struggle shouldn't beat us down. It is best when we can become stronger from struggle.
True, I have many, many stories(but like I said, everyone has a story..)but my stories are what make me REALLY appreciate all of the wonderful people and experiences I have had the gift of enjoying.
Anywayz, don't want to take up your entire day.
It sounds like you have the right idea about your life concerning your children. I have NEVER known of children in such situations not seeking their lost family members as soon as they are old enough and able. Just this last year I was reunited with my 2 younger brothers... after 20 years.. but I never forgot about them. I thought about them almost every single day. Even children that hate their parents get questions and other unfinished things in the mind and heart that MUST be satisfied. Until then, just take care of yourself. That's what they would want.
 
thank god i have no kids.
the thought of my kids hanging out with douchebag boyfriends on my exs visits would drive me to murder.

Trust me when I tell you that there are far worse things than that. And you will have to find a way NOT TO kill EVERYONE AROUND YOU because the seething hatred you feel is all consuming. Why does EVERYONE ELSE get to go trick-or-treating? go on easter egg hunts? go to a ballgame? have to be called to the principal's office because their kid did something good/not-so-good? Get to put pics of their kids on the internet? Get to hug their kid at night and make them breakfast in the morning?

Why is EVERYONE ALLOWED THIS HAPPINESS?.... and then there are those that are afforded this privilige every fucking day and they go and CHOOSE to fuck it up by drinking, doing drugs, hanging with low-lives and making every excuse in the book but won't go by their kids' house and pick them up to take them for a bike ride or a walk to the parK.... you know, something that doesn't cost a penny but is PRICELESS to both that child AND that parent?

If I could find the answers to these questions, I'd be the smartest motherfucker alive.... wouldn't I?

But I can't and honestly, I am done trying. All I can do is say, "I don't know."

.... because I don't.

I just say, "I don't know.", go about my business by TRYING to live a positive life.

Some days I do better than others.... in the end all I can do is TRY.
 
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