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but what is the point about too much sugar? there's gotta be one. or why do so many people say weight gainers suck, they put too much sugar inside or don't drink any juice, too much sugar, and the like?
is there really NO negative aspect about sugar?
 
skinnyfromtoptobottom said:
but what is the point about too much sugar? there's gotta be one. or why do so many people say weight gainers suck, they put too much sugar inside or don't drink any juice, too much sugar, and the like?
is there really NO negative aspect about sugar?

Please, do your research, there is a SEARCH button on top of this page....it can help you.

Sugar will refill muscle glycogen and spike insuline to shuttle glucose and some of that protein into the muscle; thus, creating a state of anabolism after a catabolic workout. Weight gainers "suck" because you're buying the wrong ones.

Mr.X
 
MR X: I'm very interested in your theory. But I'd like to point you to the following thread:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=185324&highlight=amino+acids

In it a Dr Eric Serrano, M.D. and Jeff Stout suggest:
"taken before training high doses of the branched chain family along with some very specific other amino acids, plays an elaborate trick by flooding the blood with free fatty acids to prevent muscle break down long before it is supposed to begin. As a result an alternative fuel source is available for use (FFA) and muscle fibers you have worked hard to earn are spared that function"
Also:
"In a study at the University of Texas, volunteers performed a training bout consisting of: 10 sets x 8 reps of leg presses at 80% of their maximum and 8 sets x 8 reps of leg-press extensions at 80% of their maximum. The entire leg workout took about 50 minutes and the sets included all warm-ups.

Those volunteers who swallowed some EAA cocktail (6 grams, or 6000 mg. of essential amino acids plus 35 grams of sucrose), significantly increased blood levels of their amino acids. The increased total net phenylalanine, an indicator of muscle protein gain, by 158%, when the EAAs were taken before training.

So, in this study, it's clear that an essential amino acid cocktail has greater effects on protein synthesis when it's consumed before training versus after training"

I do have my doubts about the article but it does seem to make scientific sense.

Also your theory is reliant on the Amino tabs being broken down extremely quickly. I doubt they would be entering my vessels for a good hour after my workout, so why the rush to consume before the last 2 sets?
With this in mind the consumption of Aminos prior to workout seems a more viable option than post workout. Post workout I would say you're better off with the quick digesting whey/dextrose option?
Let me know your opinions.
P.
 
PANTS said:
MR X: I'm very interested in your theory. But I'd like to point you to the following thread:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=185324&highlight=amino+acids

In it a Dr Eric Serrano, M.D. and Jeff Stout suggest:
"taken before training high doses of the branched chain family along with some very specific other amino acids, plays an elaborate trick by flooding the blood with free fatty acids to prevent muscle break down long before it is supposed to begin. As a result an alternative fuel source is available for use (FFA) and muscle fibers you have worked hard to earn are spared that function"
Also:
"In a study at the University of Texas, volunteers performed a training bout consisting of: 10 sets x 8 reps of leg presses at 80% of their maximum and 8 sets x 8 reps of leg-press extensions at 80% of their maximum. The entire leg workout took about 50 minutes and the sets included all warm-ups.

Those volunteers who swallowed some EAA cocktail (6 grams, or 6000 mg. of essential amino acids plus 35 grams of sucrose), significantly increased blood levels of their amino acids. The increased total net phenylalanine, an indicator of muscle protein gain, by 158%, when the EAAs were taken before training.

So, in this study, it's clear that an essential amino acid cocktail has greater effects on protein synthesis when it's consumed before training versus after training"

I do have my doubts about the article but it does seem to make scientific sense.

Also your theory is reliant on the Amino tabs being broken down extremely quickly. I doubt they would be entering my vessels for a good hour after my workout, so why the rush to consume before the last 2 sets?
With this in mind the consumption of Aminos prior to workout seems a more viable option than post workout. Post workout I would say you're better off with the quick digesting whey/dextrose option?
Let me know your opinions.
P.

That is why you take liquid amino acids on a nearly empty stomach, to increase absorption. Most people will use the pre-workout BCAA as FUEL during the workout; thus, not using muscle glycogen. In turn, when post workout carbs are consumed: #1) no anabolism will happen #2)potential fat-gain is possible

The whole point to this is that liquid aminos are the best, but even the caps (filled w/ POWDER) can digest fairly quickly.

Mr.X
 
So just to conclude:
Any Aminos taken prior to workout will be used as fuel.
>Are you saying Serrano & Stout are wrong?
Also:
One should consume 2g of Aminos at the end of the workout,
followed by 4g immediately post workout.
> Does this not vary according to Body weight?
>The 6g grams in total, are these All aminos or just Essential Amino Acids?
> Can these be the tablet form or do they have to be liquid?

P.
 
One should consume 2g of Aminos at the end of the workout,
followed by 4g immediately post workout.
> Does this not vary according to Body weight?
at time, but it's mostly based on 180lbs.-220lbs.
>The 6g grams in total, are these All aminos or just Essential Amino Acids?
ALL aminos of course
> Can these be the tablet form or do they have to be liquid?
liquid only

Mr.X
 
Can you recommend a good Liquid Amino source, or are we talking any good Whey powder which is high in Amino's?
Thanx again,
P
 
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