Given how many abortion doctors are killed (not that many)...

[mrplunkey]

Those are actually the usual situations in which late term abortions occur. They aren't treated like "regular" abortions, they are extreme situations.

For some reason, a lot of people prefer to imagine women and doctors being so callous as to be comfortable with third trimester abortions.

But that's the other misconception around late term abortions. For truly qualified cases, it's not hard to find a local physician who will perform the procedure.

Guys like Tiller felt a lot of heat because they didn't necessarily apply those higher standards. First of all, just think about this -- how many ambulance admissions were done into his clinic? The mother's life was in danger wasn't it? So he's done an estimated 60,000 late term abortions in his clinic and every patient was ambulatory enough to simply drive in and walk through the door?

Another thing that got Tiller into trouble was how he did his consults. In Kansas, you're supposed to get an independent second opinion before performing the procedure. One of his sources of opinion (as I understand it) worked out of his office part of the time. That's hardly independent. Those laws were established so there would be checks and balances into the process and it does appear Tiller tried to circumvent them on at least one occasion.

 

[javaguru]

But that's the other misconception around late term abortions. For truly qualified cases, it's not hard to find a local physician who will perform the procedure.

Guys like Tiller felt a lot of heat because they didn't necessarily apply those higher standards. First of all, just think about this -- how many ambulance admissions were done into his clinic? The mother's life was in danger wasn't it? So he's done an estimated 60,000 late term abortions in his clinic and every patient was ambulatory enough to simply drive in and walk through the door?

Another thing that got Tiller into trouble was how he did his consults. In Kansas, you're supposed to get an independent second opinion before performing the procedure. One of his sources of opinion (as I understand it) worked out of his office part of the time. That's hardly independent. Those laws were established so there would be checks and balances into the process and it does appear Tiller tried to circumvent them on at least one occasion.

How many times was Dr. Tiller sanctioned for violations or sued for malpractice? Does the statute require an independent outside consultation? I've always found it interesting the Repubs pay lip service to personal responsibility and decisions but they insist on telling people how to live their lives and who they can marry or have sex with...

Dr. Tiller was a second generation physician and former Navy Flight Surgeon. As I understand it, he initially refused to do abortions in his early practice, until a woman he refused to treat died from complications related to her pregnancy.

 

[redsamurai]

As I understand it, he initially refused to do abortions in his early practice, until a woman he refused to treat died from complications related to her pregnancy.

wow.

 

[javaguru]

wow.

He was a Christian man, an usher at his church, killed while performing his duty. He had already been shot twice by fundamentalist christian terrorists but would not be intimidated. He was truly a brave and principled man. While I support and defended the right of cowards like O'Reilly and Hannity to call him whatever they wanted...he was an honorable man. People may disagree with him but you have to respect someone with honor and principle.

 

[mrplunkey]

How many times was Dr. Tiller sanctioned for violations or sued for malpractice? Does the statute require an independent outside consultation?

It was the independent outside consulation that was always a little sketchy. The medical referral business is seldom a clean industry anyway, but there are definitely right and wrong ways to setup referral networks.

 

[javaguru]

It was the independent outside consulation that was always a little sketchy. The medical referral business is seldom a clean industry anyway, but there are definitely right and wrong ways to setup referral networks.

Once everyone is a government employee everything will run smoothly in medicine, trust in hope and change...

 

[redsamurai]

I really now feel alot more terrible for that doctor.

 

[javaguru]

I really now feel alot more terrible for that doctor.

Apparently, there was a massive attendance for his funeral.

I think this a good lesson for the average American to embrace reason and not follow political ideology like a religion. O'Reilly makes millions on emotional appeals and wedge issues. A testament to how easily the "average American" is manipulated by appealing to the lowest of the low that don't know any better thanks to our shitty public education system.

 

[samoth]

Not what I was saying at all. All I was saying is the I don't want my tax-dollars going to pay for other peoples' kids when they see babies as a means to support themselves. I would rather my tax dollars go for birtch-control and medically safe abortions for those who haven't figured out how to use condoms.

And I'm sure that most taxpayers didnt want their tax-dollars paying for you and your (numerous) children when you were on food stamps.

Who decides which kid needs to be aborted or which potential mother needs to be sterilized? (This is what the lawyer-types call the slippery slope argument.)

Should your kids have been taken from you or euthanized as soon as you needed public assistance? Should the government have investigated your marriage and decided that your ex was a sociopath and then prevented the two of you from procreating?

 

[javaguru]

And I'm sure that most taxpayers didnt want their tax-dollars paying for you and your (numerous) children when you were on food stamps.

Who decides which kid needs to be aborted or which potential mother needs to be sterilized? (This is what the lawyer-types call the slippery slope argument.)

Should your kids have been taken from you or euthanized as soon as you needed public assistance? Should the government have investigated your marriage and decided that your ex was a sociopath and then prevented the two of you from procreating?

There is a difference between a mother deciding she doesn't want to give birth to a child that will die within minute or suffer from traumatic birth defects after being born and sterilization/eugenics. Samoot...I'm surprised that I'm arguing this with you?