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gh question?

needsize

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just curious if anyone knows the answer to this...
as bodybuilders, we generally take gh in the morning, afternoon, or twice a day at both times. But it looks like when Docs prescibe it, they prescribe it before bed...I work with a kid who is on 6iu a day, given to him at his bedtime...
so why are we taking it at different times then people on scripts?
 
GH shuts down natty production, for a few hours and you produce gh as you sleep

but you only produce about 1iu while you sleep so if you shoot 5iu obviously its still going to be much more.

I've heard a lot of talk of using large doses prior to bedtime, but I haven't heard a decent rationale for it. Not saying it's not out there - I just haven't heard it. I can't imagine it would be more compelling than the PWO justification - where all your receptors are thirsty, and your skeletal muscle will be likely to soak up every bit of it, as opposed to letting some of it go to your smooth muscle (which has tons of IGF-1 receptors).
 
my thoughts would be you do all your growing when you are sleeping, so it would make sense to have gh active in your system at that point
 
The only reason i can think of why bodybuilders take it morning and afternoon is due to cortisol levels. At 8am and 2pm thats their peak so if fat loss would be the goal, shooting at that time makes sense. However taking it at night does seem intresting?

Was the guy you work subscirbed it (just because) or did actually need it?
 
the kid is really undersized for his age, so its prescribed for that
 
its really hard to find a clinic to get Growth perscribed ot you I have heard....

thats why the influx during the 80s and 90s and connection between us and aids patients
 
Faizakafez said:
gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - shuts down natty production, for a few hours and you produce gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - as you sleep

but you only produce about 1iu while you sleep so if you shoot 5iu obviously its still going to be much more.

I've heard a lot of talk of using large doses prior to bedtime, but I haven't heard a decent rationale for it. Not saying it's not out there - I just haven't heard it. I can't imagine it would be more compelling than the PWO justification - where all your receptors are thirsty, and your skeletal muscle will be likely to soak up every bit of it, as opposed to letting some of it go to your smooth muscle (which has tons of IGF-1 receptors).

So PWO is the best time to inject hgh? I have been doing it every morning but i will switch to pwo.
 
I've read so many convincing arguments on both sides of this issue that I've come to the conclusion that nobody really knows how to take it best. Not trying to be a smartass here, it's just a fact.
 
mattdan said:
I've read so many convincing arguments on both sides of this issue that I've come to the conclusion that nobody really knows how to take it best. Not trying to be a smartass here, it's just a fact.

I agree, thats why I wanted to ask...
 
needsize said:
I agree, thats why I wanted to ask...

Yep, I understand. I didn't make my point very well. I mean I've read articles from people I consider authorities that disagree.

Since there is SO much disagreement on the subject, I've just formed the opinion that it must not make a huge amount of difference. If someone can't come up with an end-all opinion that convinces the majority, then it must just not make a huge difference.

I used to order gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - straight from the manufacturer in china and I had sources that bought up aids patients supplies. I did my share, I experimented myself and it just didn't make a difference when I took it.

I'd also add that I took it both on and off gear so I could isloate it.

My final decision was that since there was so much disagreement that I'd just split my doses and cover all bases.
 
Well it's been several years since I researched it. Here are two articles about this subject, both by MD's that specialize in the field.

Both say evening injections are best.

Dosage

The most common dose is one unit of HGH taken daily in the evening, close to bedtime, although the time of day is probably not that important as long as daily doses are taken at approximately the same time of day. See detailed directions on filling the syringe below. The minimum cost effective dose for benefit is one unit daily for at least 4 consecutive days per week. Based on many years of experience, a 4-day schedule has been found to be the minimum dosing to achieve cost effective benefit.

Some patients take 1.5 or 2 units daily for added benefit at higher cost. More than 2 units daily are not recommended and may cause side effects. Syringes used to add diluent can hold a total of 3 mL and the syringes used for injection hold a total of 1 mL.

Alternate Dosing Option

Some patients choose to administer half the daily dose of HGH at bedtime and half on arising in the morning. There have been anecdotal reports of slightly increased benefit with the same total daily dose, although added benefit is doubtful and the number of injections is doubled.

If you decide to split your daily doses, taking half at night and half in the morning, you will need twice as many syringes. If you desire to use this twice-daily dosing option, please let us know and we will ship the additional number of syringes needed with no charge.


Evening versus morning injections of growth hormone (GH) in GH- deficient patients: effects on 24-hour patterns of circulating hormones and metabolites
JO Jorgensen, N Moller, T Lauritzen, KG Alberti, H Orskov and JS Christiansen
Second University Clinic of Internal Medicine, Aarhus Kommunehospital, Denmark.
Since serum GH in normal subjects displays a circadian variation with a major and consistent surge after the onset of sleep we examined whether the time of GH administration in GH-deficient patients had any impact on its action. Eight GH-deficient patients all underwent 3 4-week study schedules in random order: 1) evening (2000 h) sc GH injections, 2) morning (0800 h) sc GH injections, and 3) no GH administration. At the end of each period the patients were admitted to hospital for 24-h measurements of hormones and metabolites. For comparison, 10 age- and sex-matched healthy untreated subjects were hospitalized once under identical conditions. Mean (+/- SE) GH availability, i.e. the area under the curve (AUC; micrograms per L/12 h) for 12 h after injection was significantly greater after evening injection than after morning injections [83.3 +/- 25.4 (evening) vs. 46.0 +/- 10.6 (morning); P less than 0.01]. This might be due to higher skin and sc temperatures when in bed. The 2000-0800 h AUC after evening injection was similar to the corresponding AUC in the reference group. Mean 24-h serum insulin-like growth factor-I levels (micrograms per L) were similar after evening (189.8 +/- 2) and morning (179.5 +/- 5.3) injections (P = 0.8), but the latter displayed a circadian variation suggesting that a steady state had not been reached. Both were significantly lower than the stable reference value (248.4 +/- 3.6 micrograms/L). Blood glucose profiles after morning and evening GH did not differ from that of the reference group, whereas blood glucose decreased when the patients received no GH (P less than 0.01). Daytime (0800-2400 h) insulin levels were increased after morning injections (P less than 0.05). Nighttime levels of lipid intermediates were below normal in the untreated state and after morning injection (P less than 0.05), whereas nighttime blood alanine tended to be above normal after morning GH injection (P = 0.08). Highly significant inverse relationships between circadian lipid intermediates and both blood alanine and lactate concentrations were observed in the reference group and in the patients after evening injections. These relationships disappeared after morning injections. We conclude that the metabolic effects of sc GH injections are clearly influenced by the time of administration and that the closest similarity to normal hormone and metabolite patterns and relationships is reached by GH injection in the evening in GH-deficient patients.
 
There was a study done that said taking more than 2IU's per was a waste due to the fact that the liver that uses the GH excreate IGF-1 can only process that amount at a time. So that is why the recomendation to take some before bed and again upon waking up. Saying that, I am amazed by the results I have seen from some that use the 8+IU's PWO 3 times/week. Since we all have different chemistry that leaves trial and error method. Depending on the individuals age and desired results. Different regimines have to be examined. If one is looking for fat loss and lean muscle development with anti aging than the 4IU's per day would be the choice. However if one is younger and looking for good lean muscle and some fat loss than they would choose the 3x/week routine. There are several reasons for what time injections would be done. One is the lethargic feeling that GH gives you. So some rather enjoy it just before going to bed due to the deep sleep that is realized. The PWO is another choice that has benifits for obvious reasons. The life of GH in the body is extremely low. Then there is the morning group and mid afternoon group.
I would suggest that you try each one and then stick with the one that you felt gave you the best results!
Sorry I can't be more diffinitive than that.
 
thanks bro, awesome info
 
I could be wrong but I don't think supps for boosting GH work.
 
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