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Gaining Mass/ Bulking up on Anavar

DANIEDOLL

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Hey ladies, I am new & have been lurking on this site for a while now. Luv the site & have learned a lot from reading all your posts. I am 5'5 & 113 now & have been working out/ lifting for 2 years now. I am going to try out Anavar (Oxafort) from Loeffler, 5 mg cut in half 2.5/ 2 day for 6 weeks. I decided to do this to increase my strength at the gym to lift more & also hope to gain a few pounds while increasing protein & carbs. Most of the info I have seen talks about losing weight or leaning out on Anavar. If I increase the protein & carbs while lifting more on Anavar will I realistically gain a bit more weight or puff up more? Any advice would be appreciated but, only constructive ones, lol! Help me bulk up ladies :)
 
Yes, you can gain muscle on Anavar. Men don't typically "bulk" with Anavar becasue of 1) it's cost, they need 30-50mg a day and 2) it is a slow, quality gain. You won't gain mass amounts of weight on it, but that is good! One someone your size, gaining 5-10lbs muscle will be a dramatic change.

I have taken Anavar several times, and when my diet is awesome, I get great results. Diet is going to be the number one thing here, then training, and of course, rest is important too. :) Make sure you train hard inthe gym, but give your body the time to recover.

Diet should be VERY high in protein. I always aim for 1.5-2g per lb of bodyweight. Don't always hit it, but at least it forces me to aim high and that way I am sure to get in enough. Keep your diet clean. Even though you are bulking, keep the carbs clean, complex and kinda high since you are bulking.

Good luck!
 
DANIEDOLL said:
Hey ladies, I am new & have been lurking on this site for a while now. Luv the site & have learned a lot from reading all your posts. I am 5'5 & 113 now & have been working out/ lifting for 2 years now. I am going to try out Anavar (Oxafort) from Loeffler, 5 mg cut in half 2.5/ 2 day for 6 weeks. I decided to do this to increase my strength at the gym to lift more & also hope to gain a few pounds while increasing protein & carbs. Most of the info I have seen talks about losing weight or leaning out on Anavar. If I increase the protein & carbs while lifting more on Anavar will I realistically gain a bit more weight or puff up more? Any advice would be appreciated but, only constructive ones, lol! Help me bulk up ladies :)

I never felt anavar would make me bloat (same for my GF) unless I had taken creatine at the same time. It will definitely make you gain some quality mass. How much ? God only knows but not a lot. Even at 10mg it wouldn't be considered a real bulking AAS. Strenght increase will be easy to notice. At 20mg ED I could clearly tell the difference. Imagine you. Just make sure your stuff is legit, which should be the main source of concern with anavar.
 
Thanx for answering my post Daisy Girl : ) I am anxious to get started & will keep you posted on my results! Although I am taking in quite a bit of protein now.. I could bump it up some more. I will definitely take in more complex carbs during the process. Ahhh, a little more muscle would be so nice! This is an amazing ladies forum, I have learned so much. I'll be around ; )
 
Manny, thankfully I am getting it from a good source. Whew... what a task to track some down, lol! Ohhh, can't wait to start my first cycle.
 
Hopefully, you will take this as constructive advice. I sure wish the Sheriff or Spatts were around.

First off, you said you had been training for 2 years? Have you actually reached your natural potential? How have you determined you reached your potential w/o the use of AAS? My advice is to save the AAS for later when you absolutely cannot gain anymore w/o chemical help.

Second, can you post an example of a daily diet? In order to gain quality mass, you have to eat ALOT. Perhaps someone could help you tweak your diet for optimal gains naturally or while you are on Var. The first place one would need to look for either gains or cutting would be DIET. See DaisyGirl's thread on the subject. She is a perfect example of the importance of DIET being the key to body transformation.
 
Takniteasy, you brought up a very good point & maybe some feedback from you guys will help me diet wise. I'm listing an average daily diet which I believe is high in protein, adequate carbs & moderate fat. keep in mind I don't think you guys will consider it to be a so called clean diet. I do throw in some fatty stuff just so I can bulk up a bit. I do that purposely cuz I am the type of person who does gain weight easily, nor do I keep it on easily. I have always been on the thinner side growing up, but, have always had good muscle tone & shape cuz I did ballet for 9 years. I have always had to fight to gain weight & finally did gain a little weight after using weight gainers a few years ago. The heaviest I have ever been is 117 & I liked the way that looked on me & that was when I started to work out & lift weights 2 years ago. I am sure I could alter the diet to try & gain someweight first before taking Anavar & could also work harder in the gym. But, I believe the Anavar will give my body a boost in the right direction & as a result will help take me to the next level. Any advice about the diet below will be appreciated. This is a sample of a daily diet.

Meal 1
2 whole eggs, slice of toast w/ peanut butter, yogurt, weight gainer shake w/ rice milk

Meal 2
whey shake after working out, sometimes I also have some pasta along w/ it

Meal 3
large cold cut sandwhich w/ rice or pasta on the side or chicken w/ pasta or rice... also have a dessert after

Meal 4
Typical snack would be a frozen mini pizza or peanut butter sandwhich

Meal 5
Dinner is usually chicken, fish, steak or hamburger, potato or pasta w/ it & a salad w/ lemon, olive oil, & flaxseed oil as the dressing, then a dessert.

Meal 6
Usually have a 2nd whey shake before bed but, I add ice cream to it.
 
To anyone else posting about her diet, remember she is trying to ADD weight - she is not cutting. Her diet will be higher in carbs than the "typical" diet people post here.

Danie, my diet can is a good example of a clean cutting diet - but al lthat is different between a cutting diet and a bulking diet is the AMOUNT of calories. If you want to add clean lean muslce with minimal fat gain, then the foods need to be clean, unprocessed and simple. Same as a cutting diet, but you'll eat more. :)

Here are my thoughts, I have never really planned a bulking diet for myself, I just eat more of the same foods I normally eat. So if anyone else has better ideas for her, please chime in.

This is your diet copied, my comments in red. :)
Meal 1
2 whole eggs, slice of toast w/ peanut butter, yogurt, weight gainer shake w/ rice milk Lose the toast, lose the weight gainer shake. Have 6 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 1-1.5 cups oatmeal, keep the yogurt IF it is low sugar/carb, otherwise, lose it. Eat a tbsp PB (NATURAL) on a spoon

Meal 2
whey shake after working out, sometimes I also have some pasta along w/ it Keep the Whey Shake, but the pasta I am not sure about - carbs are good after a workout, but usually this is where you want SIMPLE carbs. A better choice would be to add some maltodextrin to the shake. Maltodextrin is easy to find at a supplement store, it is also cheap. NOW makes a good brand.

Meal 3
large cold cut sandwhich w/ rice or pasta on the side or chicken w/ pasta or rice... also have a dessert after
Better off eating a large piece of lean meat (6-8oz), green veggie and a large potato or 1 cup brown rice. Green veggie could be a salad with lots of veggies, olive oil and balsalmic vinegrette

Meal 4
Typical snack would be a frozen mini pizza or peanut butter sandwhich I would definately lose the frozen pizza - processed as hell. I'd add a smaller meal here, maybe 3 oz lean meat, veggies, again Natty PB on a spoon, or put in celery!

Meal 5
Dinner is usually chicken, fish, steak or hamburger, potato or pasta w/ it & a salad w/ lemon, olive oil, & flaxseed oil as the dressing, then a dessert. Dinner looks pretty good - I'd make sure your potato is on the small side (since it is late evening) and shy away from pasta so late. Why so many desserts?

Meal 6
Usually have a 2nd whey shake before bed but, I add ice cream to it. This is where I would have the weight gainer shake, made with water. It should last all night in your body. Ice cream before bed, while maybe soothing, I doubt is good for the waistline.
 
Thanx for the info Daisy. Your feedback is great & I think I'm heading in the right direction w/ it. I know the desserts are a bit much but, I throw them in cuz I don't gain weight easily at all & I figure some xtra calories & fat is o.k for now. Your input was a great help! Does anyone else have any ideas for me or input? C'mon veterans... I know u all have some valuable info to share. : )
 
Danie, extra fat is okay as long as it is the good fats. You did not indicate what you had for dessert, so I can only assume that it would be something with saturated fats, which are a no-no. Such no-no desserts would include ice creams, cakes, cookies, commercially prepared desserts, etc. It would be easy to substitute other clean foods for dessert (my favorite is sweet potatoes:D ). I think the only prepared dessert I use is sugar free puddings which I would make with a couple scoops of whey or soy protein and milk. You could also add Udo's to the pudding and your shakes for extra calories and good fats.

Hope this helps and good luck with the bulking! :)
 
Takniteasy, I luv sweet potatoes too. I should try & get more of those in my diet. Yes, I usually eat crappy desserts, lol. Typical ones would be cookies, fig newtons, ice cream, jello, pound cake. I like the idea about the whey or soy in the pudding. I luv rice or soy milk instead of regular milk.
 
Easy... You might put on fat in the process. You have to watch how you eat and do cardio. Also anavar would cause you to hold water so dont confuse it with muscle.
 
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PhysicalGirl said:
Easy... You might put on fat in the process. You have to watch how you eat and do cardio. Also anavar would cause you to hold water so dont confuse it with muscle.

If you read her threads, you'll see she is okay with a little fat gain. I've talked with Danie (well, emailed) and she knows that it is hard (or, impossible) to gain ONLY muscle - that some fat will come with it.

Anavar also seldom causes water retention. Of course, it is possible, as it is with ANY AAS, but unlikely.
 
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She says she wants to gain weight. She does'nt say that she does'nt mind putting on fat but maybe she does'nt mind.

I am sure that it is possible to gain muscle without putting on fat cause I've done it, it just takes longer.

When I first started training I was not burning any fat and I was putting on muscle but it looked bulky. After that I always tryed to build and burn at the same time. Its just a much slower process.

I also dont just stay in the Gym. I find that you can get a better physique from doing other things like Sprints on a track and various jumping exersices. Rock Climbing and obstacle courses.
 
Actually PhysicalGirl... I don't mind putting a little fat on in the process during the cycle. Daisy is right..I am realistic & know while gaining muscle, I will probably put some fat on which is ok. I am a little too lean for my taste now & would luv to bulk up a bit w/ some muscle & even some fat. Actually I have pretty good muscle tone for my build but, just want to gain more muscle & more weight overall. I am not scared of a little fat. Although, I have never done a cycle before & may get more then I bargained for. I will post & let u guys know how its going during the cycle.
 
I'm not sure what you want the end result to be but I would'nt have thought that you wanted to lose definition.

Just remember if your on AS and you dont do everything right you might put on more fat than you expect.

Also when trying to burn that fat off you will take some muscle with it. Its a slow process.
 
Well, this is my first cycle, so to be honest.. I am not sure what to expect. I will reduce my fat intake once I start, cuz I don't want bloat up or anything. I don't gain weight easy at all & can actually lose it quick, which is nice. Its going to be a trial & error process w/ the AS. I don't mind a little fat while gaining muscle & weight but, bloating is another story. I will know more & will be bale to adjust my diet more as I go along while on the AS. One thing u can be sure of is.. I am not planning to eat all kinds of crap while on the AS. I may throw in a crappy snack once a day or something. But, other then that.. It will be high protein, good amount of complex carbs & a moderate amount of fat, but from nuts, oils things like that. Daisy has been very helpful through her emails to me & pointed me in the right direction. : ) I do appreciate your input though PhysicalGirl.. You brought up a some good points, thanx.
 
You dont gain weight easy but remember AS will slow down your metabolism..

Let us know what changes accured after the cycle is over. You should see a difference if any at all after about 3 weeks depending on your dose.

Everyone reacts different to that stuff. Some girls hair fall out. Some girl get really bad Acne. Some girls voice gets scatchy. Some girls clitoris starts to grow.

And some girls get know side effects at all.!!!
 
PhysicalGirl, I thought there were none of the usual side effects w/ Anavar. For the first cycle I was going to do 5 mg a day which I was told is no big deal. Do you think 2.5 in the morning & 2.5 at night will give some decent results? I have heard that after 3 weeks I could bump it up to 5 mg in morning & 5 at night. I don't think I wanna go that route for the first cycle but, could do that in the next one. Btw, I saw your pic on the other board & u are in amazing shape. Very nice hard body!
 
EVERY steroid has the possibility for side effects. Anavar is mild, quite possibily the mildest out there, but it still has the possibility for side effects. This is why you start low and ramp up slowly. Starting at 2.5-5mg is a good place, stay there for 2 weeks or so, then go up to 5-7.5mg, stay there for a couple weeks, then up to 7.5-10mg. There is little reason for you to go above 10mg, especially if your diet and training are good. And there is also little reason to increase the dose if you are seeing good results.

I have done several cycles of Anavar, the most serious side effect I got was oily skin on my face. I just used a stronger soap, washed my face more often - and all was fine.
 
PhysicalGirl said:
but remember AS will slow down your metabolism..

I have never heard this - where did you get this information? Why would AAS slow your metabolism?

Using AAS responsibily, in conjunction with a smart diet and training program, one will put on muscle which will speed up your metabolism. No AAS is a fat burning pill, but Anavar is one AAS that has shown to have some fat burning effect.
 
I would never go beyond 10 mg! Actually, I was just thinking of doing what u mentioned but, stopping at the 7.5mg. I don't think I should go to 10 mg yet for the first cycle. Will it really make a difference if I increase another half a pill or would it be fine to stop at 7.5? : )
 
Nobody can say for sure - you'll have to see how it affects YOUR body. You should definately notice increased strength and vascularity. If you are seeing results, no need to increase just for the sake of taking more. More is NOT always better. More can equal more chance for sides too.

I would just give yourself a couple weeks at each dose to gauge how things are progessing - don't rush. I bet 7.5 will be fine, just make sure you are eating well, training smart and resting.
 
KEL said:


What makes you think that? Daisy_Girl asks "Where did I get this info.


I think that because of the MEDICAL RESEARCH thats been done!!!

T3 is your main thyroid hormone wich has a LARGE effect on your metabolism. If your T3 level become LOWER your metabolism will slow down. AAS lowers your active T3 levels!!!!

I dont make up STUFF!!!!

READ THIS LINK IF YOU DONT BELEIVE ME!!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8473383&dopt=Abstract
 
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relative impairment (within the normal range) of thyroid function

Doesn't sound like much was found in that study. I'd like to add that thyroid function (disfunction) has been overated.

The simple addition of muscle mass whether with ASS or not is going to help raise the metabolism and that will help a body lean out. :)
 
You must not have read it carefully. Second to last line says:

"
We conclude from our results that high dose androgenic anabolic steroid administration leads to a relative impairment (within the normal range) of thyroid function "


The "SCIENTISTS" came to the CONCLUSION based on the TEST RESULTS.



You find me the RESEARCH LAB TESTS that proves that thyroid Hormone DOES NOT affect metabolism...


Also, I have seen women that took AAS put on more fat.
 
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PhysicalGirl said:
You find me the RESEARCH LAB TESTS that proves that thyroid Hormone DOES NOT affect metabolism...


Also, I have seen women that took AAS put on more fat.

1. basic endocrinology says thyroid Hormone DOES affect metabolism- but you cannot conclude that AAS solely slows your metabolism- one study is NOT proof.

2. Every woman I know that has used AAS has put on fat however they also put on muscle mass and that helps raise their metabolic rate hence aids in fat loss.

As Daisy_Girl said no two bodies are the same when it comes AAS- and I agree with her 100% :)
 
DanielDoll: you will love var - my gf is on it right now and put on some good weight with it. My gf started training with me last year - she was 133 when I got her. She put on 15lbs all natural and then we added var (10mg / day, but it is from Mexico, so..) - she is right now at 161 and going strong (at 5'8").

Couple of points - bb is harder then rocket science, because my rocket is different from yours -:) so
1) Var does cause a little bloat for her - but do not adjust the diet - it is just water retention, you will drop that when you come off
2) Keep your protein and fat high - you need fat not to waste protein - if you want to get more scientific, get some flaxeed oil or some Udo oil to add to your shakes - you will love that stuff
3) Keep your carbs clean, but that means different things for different people - check how your body reacts. I love brown rice, but I get fat on potatos. My gf prefers fruits, etc.. but clearly stay away from starches and high glycemic ones

Good luck and keep your calories high and take your measurements every week.
 
PhysicalGirl said:



I think that because of the MEDICAL RESEARCH thats been done!!!

AAS lowers your active T3 levels!!!!

I dont make up STUFF!!!!

READ THIS LINK IF YOU DONT BELEIVE ME!!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8473383&dopt=Abstract

WHOA PG this is a discussion board, people are going to ask you about your statements, that's what makes it a discussion. 13 exclamation marks makes me think you feel you're being personally attacked but nothing could be further from the truth.

We're just sharing info and discussing fitness related topics. I for one appreciate your input but I'd also like to hear rebuttal and clarification from others.
 
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"TBG, total T4, and total T3 were significantly (P < 0.001) decreased, whereas basal TSH and free T4 were not significantly different from the values of the other 8 without androgenic steroids."

Quoted from that abstract. The fact that TSH and fT4 were not affected suggests that there was little if any effect on metabolism.

Both estrogens and androgens can alter T3 uptake and total T4 because of changes in TBG (in opposite directions), but have no overall effect on T7 or FTI, or thyroid metabolism per se. There are a number of variables to consider when evaluating thyroid function. Before the authors or anyone else could conclude that the effect of AAS (1200 mg/wk in this case), via their effects on thyroid function had any effect on metabolism would be to measure it directly in a metabolic chamber. To conclude from these results that AAS decreases metabolism is like saying the moon is made of cheese because it looks like there are holes in it when viewed with the naked eye.

If anything androgens or AAS increase metabolic rate because of their positive effects on protein synthesis. If you look at the transsexual lit, women to men trannys lose fat and add muscle when put on test.

Having said all of this, I'll take a look at the lit and see if anyone has measured metabolic rate as a function of AAS treatment, but given the fact that the most recent studies show a decrease in fat mass and increase in muscle mass during treatment, that would suggest that AAS do not decrease metabolism in general.

W6
 
Here's what I found.

Generally an increase in BMR and effects of AAS appear to be via TBG. So, despite changes in lab values, there does not appear to be a negative effect on BMR.

Lovejoy, J C; Bray, G A; Bourgeois, M O; Macchiavelli, R; Rood, J C; Greeson, C; Partington, C

Exogenous androgens influence body composition and regional body fat distribution in obese postmenopausal women--a clinical research center study.

The Journal of clinical endocrinology and metabolism. vol. 81, no. 6 (1996 Jun): 2198-203.

Abdominal fat distribution is influenced by androgen levels in both men and women. The purpose of this study was to assess the effects on fat distribution of administering nandrolone decanoate (ND; an anabolic steroid with weak androgenic activity) or spironolactone (SP; an antiandrogen) in obese postmenopausal women. The design was a randomized, placebo-controlled, 9-month trial with simultaneous calorie restriction for weight loss. Women in all three groups lost comparable amounts of weight, but the ND-treated women gained lean mass relative to the other two groups (P < 0.0005) and lost more body fat than women in the SP group (P < 0.01). The resting metabolic rate also increased slightly in the ND group. ND treatment produced a gain in visceral fat, as determined by computed tomography scan, and a relatively greater loss of sc abdominal fat. SP-treated women lost significantly less sc fat than the other two groups. Serum cholesterol decreased in the placebo group, but increased slightly in the other two groups (significant for SP vs. placebo, P < 0.05). High density lipoprotein cholesterol decreased significantly in the ND-treated women. There were no significant changes in fasting glucose or insulin sensitivity. We conclude that administration of exogenous androgens modulates body composition in obese postmenopausal women and independently affects visceral and sc abdominal fat.


Welle, S; Jozefowicz, R; Forbes, G; Griggs, R C

Effect of testosterone on metabolic rate and body composition in normal men and men with muscular dystrophy.

The Journal of clinical endocrinology and metabolism. vol. 74, no. 2 (1992 Feb): 332-5.

We have examined the effect of testosterone enanthate injections (3 mg/kg.week, im) on the basal metabolic rate (BMR) estimated by indirect calorimetry and on lean body mass (LBM) estimated by 40K counting in four normal men and nine men with muscular dystrophy. Testosterone treatment increased plasma testosterone levels in all subjects (3-fold mean elevation). BMR increased significantly after 3 months of testosterone treatment (mean, 10%; P less than 0.01; 13% mean increase in the men with muscular dystrophy and 7% mean increase in the normal subjects). BMR remained elevated (mean increase, 9%) after 12 months of testosterone treatment in four men with muscular dystrophy. LBM also was significantly higher after 3 months of treatment (mean, 10%; P less than 0.01) and remained elevated at 12 months. The percent increase in LBM was similar in men with muscular dystrophy (+10%) and normal men (+11%). When BMR was adjusted for the increase in LBM by linear regression, the men with muscular dystrophy had an increase in adjusted BMR after 3 months of testosterone treatment (mean increase, 7%), but not after 12 months. The normal men did not have an increase in adjusted BMR. Testosterone treatment for 12 months slightly reduced body fat, whereas there was an increase in body fat in subjects with muscular dystrophy who were treated with placebo for 12 months. We conclude that there is a significant increase in BMR associated with pharmacological testosterone treatment, which for the most part is explained by the increase in LBM. However, in men with muscular dystrophy, there is a small hypermetabolic effect of testosterone beyond that explained by increased LBM.


Alen, M; Rahkila, P; Reinila, M; Vihko, R

Androgenic-anabolic steroid effects on serum thyroid, pituitary and steroid hormones in athletes.

The American journal of sports medicine. vol. 15, no. 4 (1987 Jul-Aug): 357-61.

Endocrine responses in seven power athletes were investigated during a 12 week strength training period, when the athletes were taking high doses of androgenic-anabolic steroids, and during the 13 weeks following drug withdrawal. During the use of steroids significant decreases (P less than 0.05 to 0.001) in the serum concentrations of thyroid stimulating hormone, thyroxine, triidothyronine, free thyroxine, and thyroid hormone-binding globulin (TBG) were found, whereas the value of triidothyronine uptake increased (P less than 0.001). In relation to the changes in the thyroid function parameters measured, we suggest that the primary target of androgen action was TBG biosynthesis. In five of the seven subjects, serum concentrations of growth hormone increased at some point of the study 5 to 60-fold. Because of the use of exogenous testosterone, serum testosterone concentration tended to increase. This increase was associated with a corresponding increase (P less than 0.001) in serum estradiol. Furthermore, there were major decreases in serum LH (P less than 0.01) and FSH (P less than 0.01) concentrations, and testicular testosterone production was therefore decreased. This was characterized by a very low serum testosterone concentration (5.1 +/- 1.8 nmol/l) 4 weeks following drug withdrawal. Cessation of drug use resulted in return of all the variables measured to the initial values, except for serum testosterone, which was at a low level (14.6 +/- 8.8 nmol/l) 9 weeks after drug withdrawal, indicating prolonged impairment of testicular endocrine function. No consistent changes were found in the eight control athletes.
 
Excellent posts W6. It is always nice to see lots of research, as well as anecdotal evidence, to help understand things.

Everybody is differnt. I have found for ME that AAS hasn't made me gain fat - except when my diet is off, which would happen with or without AAS. Diet is the primary factor for gaining muscle or fat as well as losing muscle or fat. And honestly, I feel that AAS has helped my metabolism by increasing my LBW.
 
AAS are nothing more than nutrient repartitioning agents. They simply redirect nutrients toward lean vs fat assuming enough protein and adequate mechanical stimulus, and it is the additional lean that likely contributes in large part to the increase in RMR (the two are highly correlated), but there is also an effect on energy consumption as a function of protein synthesis (increased cellular respiration and activity).

I remember a buddy of mine back in the 80's, a wirey guy who went on a low dose of OX and Deca, started growing like something out of a science fiction movie. Ahhhh, that first cycle. Anyhow he was putting on a pound a week and getting leaner as he went on, funny thing was that even sitting still, he would sweat and ventilate more. No problems with blood pressure or anything else, just the effects of increased cellular metabolism. He was consuming more O2 and thus more calories as a function of his cycle. Didn't understand the concept back then, but it makes sense now.

W6
 
Danie, I am new to this message board but i came across your post....i am also going to be going on anavar in the next month. i have been lifting about 5 years now- post baby- and can not seem to get above 115 lbs ( I am 5'4"). i would really like to know how it is going for you and how you tweaked your diet to keep up with the massive amounts of protein needed to bulk.
 
KEL said:


1. basic endocrinology says thyroid Hormone DOES affect metabolism- but you cannot conclude that AAS solely slows your metabolism- one study is NOT proof.

2. Every woman I know that has used AAS has put on fat however they also put on muscle mass and that helps raise their metabolic rate hence aids in fat loss.

As Daisy_Girl said no two bodies are the same when it comes AAS- and I agree with her 100% :)



There are more STUDIES WITH THE SAME CONCLUSION. I'm not going to hand them all to you.


If you did your research you would also know EXACTLY HOW it lowers the effects of normal T3 levels.

Also. I'm sure it effects men different than women.

Its also says this in most steroid books published. Go and get one and read it.
 
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wilson6 said:
AAS are nothing more than nutrient repartitioning agents. They simply redirect nutrients toward lean vs fat assuming enough protein and adequate mechanical stimulus, and it is the additional lean that likely contributes in large part to the increase in RMR (the two are highly correlated), but there is also an effect on energy consumption as a function of protein synthesis (increased cellular respiration and activity).


If thats ALL it is than how do you explane Virilization in women from a Male sex hormones like AAS?????
 
Personally, I think you should leave the chemicals alone, unless you really, really want to grow a dick. :)
 
pacific - MW is a f* moron. a) nobody asked his opinion b) he a 150lb guy who will probably try to get to 155 by doing a Drol cycle -:) c) look at his sig - what is he doing on the hard core board anyways.

Cheers and good luck w/your traning.
 
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