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whats up guys? first of all i'd like to thank dylan once more for helping me out in my cycle which has been great so far. much respect to this guy.

now i have this friend that wants to bulk up(and keep as much as possible) but just with orals.i tried to explain him about test and how it should be the base of everything but we just wont listen.so because he doesnt have access to the net he asked me to do a little research for him.the truth is that i found it hard to plan a cycle just with orals so i could use some help.at the moment this is what im thinking :

23 y old 177 pounds 1,73 height 12% bf stats

week 1-4: dbol 40mg/day
week 4-8: anavar 80mg/day
week 4-8: proviron 50mg/day
week 1-8: n2guard
week 1-8: hcgenerate

PCT 8-12 : unleashed/post cycle
daa
forma stanzol
ostra 12.5mg/day (to help keep gains)

-maybe add some milk thistle in cycle ??
-i guess he shouldnt wait 2 weeks for pct like we do when pinning..or should he?

any help would be nice like i said its been hard planning an oral cycle and i dont know if its any good.

cheers
 
aced1 said:
whats up guys? first of all i'd like to thank dylan once more for helping me out in my cycle which has been great so far. much respect to this guy.

now i have this friend that wants to bulk up(and keep as much as possible) but just with orals.i tried to explain him about test and how it should be the base of everything but we just wont listen.so because he doesnt have access to the net he asked me to do a little research for him.the truth is that i found it hard to plan a cycle just with orals so i could use some help.at the moment this is what im thinking :

23 y old 177 pounds 1,73 height 12% bf stats

week 1-4: dbol 40mg/day
week 4-8: anavar 80mg/day
week 4-8: proviron 50mg/day
week 1-8: n2guard
week 1-8: hcgenerate

PCT 8-12 : unleashed/post cycle
daa
forma stanzol
ostra 12.5mg/day (to help keep gains)

-maybe add some milk thistle in cycle ??
-i guess he shouldnt wait 2 weeks for pct like we do when pinning..or should he?

any help would be nice like i said its been hard planning an oral cycle and i dont know if its any good.

cheers
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N2guard is good enough usually for liver support but adding some milk thistle before bed couldn't hurt.
 
That means running a 17aa compound for 8 weeks bro.

Not really a good idea, as var is just as hepatoxic as dbol. His lipids will be so jacked up and he will end up with all kinds of BP sides and liver strain.

If he doesn't want to inject, and he wants keepable gains, just have him run var for 6 weeks at 60/60/60/60/80/80

and start pct the day after his last dose of var.
 
How long has this guy been training? What's his caloric intake?

~EZ
 
bigbassturd said:
That means running a 17aa compound for 8 weeks bro.

Not really a good idea, as var is just as hepatoxic as dbol. His lipids will be so jacked up and he will end up with all kinds of BP sides and liver strain.

If he doesn't want to inject, and he wants keepable gains, just have him run var for 6 weeks at 60/60/60/60/80/80

and start pct the day after his last dose of var.
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so u suggest just var or add some proviron with it?
keep ostra on pct or not?
 
he has been lifting for 6 years, 5 with good trainning and diet. just asked him about his calorie intake he sais he tries to be around 4,500
 
You could throw the proviron in with the var forsure. Osta will fit in nice with the pct but isnt a have to have. No need for milk thistle as n2gaurd will have him covered.
 
If he wants to bulk just go with dbol and save the var for later for a cutting cycle. dbol 4-6 weeks max and 20-30 mg is fine to start with.
 
id add the RS-transaderm buddy to act as a test base and help with the cycle.
id run the cycle for 6 weeks tho not 8 and makesure hes got N2guard running thro cycle.
The osta is an excellent addition to the pct and will help solidify his gains from the cycle.
 
I think you can keep gains from any cycle if done right
 
CLAUDEMONET said:
Use a 8 week tbol cycle i did and it went well!

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Could.u.provide some more info about ur cycle pls? What dosage did u use and what gains did u have?? How.was ur pct and how much of the gains did u keep ??
Thanks in advance
 
What gains did have and how much did u keep?? Did u use smthing else except.hcgenerate and n2g while on?? I think.pct is fine as i.planned it check it out.if u like and tell me...
 
Honestly its was soooo long ago bro...i would say a good 10lbs...all i remember is i gained it mostly in my legs with Dbol...it was weird! There is so many good products out there now, like all of NTBM products...i had HCG and Clomid back then....i used HCG while on as well.
 
Dbol is a steroid just like everything elso i have kept gains on it, my first run i put on 22 lbs and kept 18 of it.
 
ok guys then what would a dbol only cycle look like? anything close to this? :
1-8 dbol 50mg/day
1-8 hcgenerate
1-8 n2g

pct:
9-12 unleashed/post cycle
9-12 daa
9-12 ostra 12,5mg/day

maybe bump up dbol dosage?
 
aced1 said:
ok guys then what would a dbol only cycle look like? anything close to this? :
1-8 dbol 50mg/day
1-8 hcgenerate
1-8 n2g

pct:
9-12 unleashed/post cycle
9-12 daa
9-12 ostra 12,5mg/day

maybe bump up dbol dosage?
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What are you going to give him when he grew moobs? I dont see any A.I. in that list. I would run some arimidex.
Also keeping gains is all about pct, diet and training, If you do the right pct keep eating high protein and train just as hard you can keep a good chunck of the gains even on dbol, people dont understand what water weight is they only look at scale weight thats why when they come off dbol, they say they lost their gains, they forgot that 60% of the "gains" were water weight.
 
RADAR said:
Dbol is a steroid just like everything elso i have kept gains on it, my first run i put on 22 lbs and kept 18 of it.
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Isn't 8 weeks a little long?



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wootoom said:
I have done multiple anavar cycles min 10 weeks...no problems...but I'm a veteran with Var...
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What about dbol?
Isn't dbol 4 weeks, 6 weeks max?


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ok guys first of all thanks to everyone for their answers !
after lots of thinking and talking i decided to tell him to use var because as he told be he wont be able to do another cycle in this year.so i said then you should better have some solid gains without any raise on your bf. still havent decided if it's going to be a 6 week(60-60-60-60-80-80) cycle or a 8 week one(60-60-60-60-60-60-80-80)... what would you suggest? thinking of running some proviron with it as well. 50 or 75mg/day?
 
Id say go for 8 if he can be strict about no drinking and using good support supps for liver/endo.

After w5 check bp and make decision whether he feels good enough to go for 8.

Sent from Canada
 
I am two weeks into a var80/prov75 cycle and am absolutely loving it. I started lean (12% bodyfat as measured by bodpod) and have already had very visible and measurable differences. So I would def recommend the addition of the prov.

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For the record, dbol and Anavar is a stupid cycle to me...why not add Test in instead of Dbol? 2 orals is not healthy for liver.
 
yes i know bro thats why im not going with var+dbol just with a var+proviron cycle. test is not an option cuz like i said in my first post my friend doesnt wanna do injectables as much as i explained him the benefits of them
 
just did a mini research for tbol...would it be better a cycle of tbol on 60mg/day than anavar on 60mg/day ? always considering the gains...
 
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