Found my sons roids - Advice please

[Headholio]

This morning I found 2 bottles of epistane, a bottle of erase pro, and a bottle of Revolution PCT.

He is 18, still in high school.
Football is over, but he is really into lifting. Which is good.
I think he has decided to not play college football, so his lifting is just for bodybuilding and or health purposes.

He got caught the first time with a prohormone about 6 months ago. . Full bottle in his room. I threw it away and gave him the lecture about how he doesn't need it, it will screw him up later in life, his natural levels are high enough, too young, bla bla bla.

It seems that he is going to do it whether I approve or not. What is even more troubling , is that he seems not too smart about what he is doing.

For example, the epi doesn't aromatize right? Does it even make sense to do erase with it? And, the Revolution PCT contains the same ingredient as Erase! So it would be a double dose of AI with epi. Is that wrong or what?

At this point, what does this kid need? Parents have to eventually realize that kids don't always do what they are told. Should I switch from prison warden to educator mode? How would you handle it?

 

[zwhit]

he's too young. I'd be worried about his health to go the educator route. he'll probably think you don't know wtf you're talking about and disregard your advice anyway

I don't know. it's a tough spot

 

[Jbranken]

The ai's r def unnecessary. Epi is basically an ai with benefits. I'd make him talk to some TRT guys who made the same bad decisions he is making. Maybe it will become more real, thinking of injecting for the rest of his life

 

[mstiles87]

I know what stack he bought just curious is it the ibe epi? Needless to say I think you should go into educator mode and talk to him about it. But if he really wants something get home some animal stak all natty there and he will see some gains but 18 is too young even for epi. I think it would be harsh to come down on him cause we all get enticed by quick gains and we are all guilty of being sucked into the advertisement hype. Educate him and keep the epi for yourself lol.

 

[Strongbow]

This morning I found 2 bottles of epistane, a bottle of erase pro, and a bottle of Revolution PCT.

He is 18, still in high school.
Football is over, but he is really into lifting. Which is good.
I think he has decided to not play college football, so his lifting is just for bodybuilding and or health purposes.

He got caught the first time with a prohormone about 6 months ago. . Full bottle in his room. I threw it away and gave him the lecture about how he doesn't need it, it will screw him up later in life, his natural levels are high enough, too young, bla bla bla.

It seems that he is going to do it whether I approve or not. What is even more troubling , is that he seems not too smart about what he is doing.

For example, the epi doesn't aromatize right? Does it even make sense to do erase with it? And, the Revolution PCT contains the same ingredient as Erase! So it would be a double dose of AI with epi. Is that wrong or what?

At this point, what does this kid need? Parents have to eventually realize that kids don't always do what they are told. Should I switch from prison warden to educator mode? How would you handle it?

He's 18 and most of that shit is so bunk that he wont notice any benefits unless he bought some reputable epi. Warn him and leave it alone. Hes not pushing needles yet so be proud of that. Its prolly just a phase and it will pass when it gets to expensive and the results arent astounding to him.

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[Headholio]

I had been suspecting he has been on for a while. He is pretty big and buff for 18. And strong. And pretty damn moody but its hard to know what "normal" moodiness is for an 18 year old.

I was thinking if I explained to him just how misguided this cycle plan was, it might get him thinking that if he does want to juice, he at least better get more educated about it.

Yes IBE Epi which came from PHF supplemnts which hosts the prohormone forum dot com. I checked that site out and it says for 18 and older. So they are basically marketing prohormones to kids.

 

[Strongbow]

I had been suspecting he has been on for a while. He is pretty big and buff for 18. And strong. And pretty damn moody but its hard to know what "normal" moodiness is for an 18 year old.

I was thinking if I explained to him just how misguided this cycle plan was, it might get him thinking that if he does want to juice, he at least better get more educated about it.

Yes IBE Epi which came from PHF supplemnts which hosts the prohormone forum dot com. I checked that site out and it says for 18 and older. So they are basically marketing prohormones to kids.

Shit bro they give pain injections to kids so that they can play on friday night I hope youre not completely surprised. Honestly lotsbof kids at my sons school joose its not uncommon. With the advances in PCT its not a death sentence or a life of infertility
Just discuss it tell him your concerns and honestly stay out of it its only gonna make shit bad between you especially if youre doing it too
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[bigbassturd]

Definitely be the prison warden. It isn't your job to be his friend.

Not going to tell you how to raise your kid, but if you're worried about his long term health, do everything you can to make him forget about using hormones for at least a few more years.

He's 18 and knows everything already, so whatever you try to tell him to 'educate' him is going to be wasted hot air, and he's gonna do whatever hus buddies or some prohormone site tells him to do anyways.

 

[shirlene29]

there of teenagers that joose at my gym, i think its sad really
these kids are pushed for scholarships ...if they're not brains they're brawn ya know?

I have teenage daughters so its a little different but they get into their heads insanely bad dieting..."but mom you diet!" right...and I'm 35 with no reproductive future I'm worried about.
the ONLY thing that has worked with my girls with them being teenagers is playing the "friend" card with obvious limits..
I would suggest going over what you've found and explaining why it might not be such a hot idea and probably a waste of money..I agree and disagree with SB on this..yeah it may not ef up his hormones or have a very neglible effect but his liver could be a different bag of cats

dumping lots of anything on your liver is generally ill advised

I'd go over whats legit, whats safe, whats readily over the counter and give him the "I hope you do whats best for your body because its the only one you've got speech" and tell him, look I think you're trying to double up on AI's here...Im not sure this stane is legit..I think there are better ways to go about this until you've at least reached brain maturity (25) if not muscle maturity (late twenties)



it could be worse though, he could have 6 kids and be pushing needles...or doing really bad drugs

love him and be his friend with some boundaries


teenagers are tough man..Im just glad my girls don't do HALF the shit I did at their ages

 

[BigLP]

I remember being 18 very clearly since I am only 21. It is going to be near impossible to get him to stop doing it because if you take it away he will get it again and keep it at school or a friends house or somewhere you wont be able to get it. I know I wish I had someone to talk me through proper diet and discipline to make gains a few years ago so maybe tell him you will help him reach his goals without that and show him what hard work is.

 

[Dial_tone]

I would educate yourself if you aren't already. Sit him down and overwhelm with questions phrased in a way that make it clear YOU are educated on the subject but he is not. Let him know that not only is he too young he has no idea wtf he is messing with.

 

[Headholio]

Shit bro they give pain injections to kids so that they can play on friday night I hope youre not completely surprised. Honestly lotsbof kids at my sons school joose its not uncommon. With the advances in PCT its not a death sentence or a life of infertility
Just discuss it tell him your concerns and honestly stay out of it its only gonna make shit bad between you especially if youre doing it too
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When you say stay out of it, do you mean give him his stuff back? It's almost $200 worth, and I wonder where he got the dough.

I'm not doing any juice, and have been clean for almost my whole life, so I'm not being hypocritical to tell him no. On the other hand, I completely understand his temptation to do it, especially to keep up with kids he plays against in football. But now that FB is over, I have a lot less understanding about it.

I know back when I was his age, we were told about how that stuff makes you sterile and bald and shinks the johnson etc. Kids know better now. The typical hysterical scare tactics don't work, and its hard to come up with something that sounds truthful and convincing enough to make him think twice about it.
On the other hand, the old "If I catch you one more time I'll kick your ass" routine definitely doesn't work.

 

[stevesmi]

first off its a shame ... I chose not to use steroids when i was his age for several reasons.. its all about being educated and understanding how the body works, at his age he just doesn't get it and hell people older don't get it either.

if you really want my advice i would get a few guys on here to call him up and talk to him one on one and educate him on why he should hold off on any type of hormones until he is older. lets face it 18 year olds aren't gonna listen to their dad on anything, but hearing it from some juiceheads who know their shit and did not touch steroids until they were much older would really wake him up. not through scaring him but through overwhelming him with information where he would be like "damn i really don't know what i'm doing here and i should definately wait till i am older"

i do high school weightlifting judging so i deal with these kids all the time, they can be reached if you know how to talk to them and if he is serious about lifting then he will listen close to what a juicehead has to say... if he just wants to listen to his friends and ignore everyone else than he is unreachable and there isn't much you can do here..

maybe a guy like gladiator can talk to him who used when he was that age and now has low T in his early 20's. and also a couple guys who waited till they were much older so he gets a full perspective on things

really he should be preparing for college and worrying about that right now, bodybuilding especially if he isn't even gonna play any college sports should be way down on the list right now.. i mean yeah workout a few times a week to stay in good shape but using steroids and having the crazy dedication many of us on here have is not gonna fly for a college student who is gonna be busy writing papers and studying.. he is not gonna be able to stay consistent in the gym for the next 4 years so steroids are not even necessary.

 

[wootoom]

I didn't even know what roids were at 18

 

[LiftLearnLove]

im 25 when I was 18 I got caught with alot of hash.. my mam and dad went bonkers and threatened to kick me out of the house if I ever got caught again..

Play hard ball and say its your house your rules dont bring drugs into your house or your out on your ass..

Throw away the epi do not give it back if hes doin that shit now he'll be on injections in no time by 21 he should be smart enough to realise hes too young

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ okay so he kicks him out and he gets his own place and does whatever he wants.. how does that solve the issue?

i was out of my parents house at 19 and got an apartment, but that didn't mean i went out and did steroids or drugs or whatever. i think its a mistake to tell a kid you are out of my house IF....... cause the guy is gonna be out of high school in a few months and go off to college anyway. its not like he is 13, the guy is 18 and about to leave anyway .. see my point?

an 18 year old is NOT the same as a 12 or 13 year old as to how you should approach them. we were all that age at one time so look back at yourselves and remember how things were back then. a lot of what you did was based on the friends you had. i will bet anything that this kid got his steroids from his buddies at school (or at the very least got the idea in his head from them) ...

and in a year he will be getting a lot more ideas from his idiot frat friends in college (things like paying someone to do their term papers, getting hookers, going to spring break 1000 miles away and banging random chicks, getting wasted, adderall or whatever that shit is called that college kids are taking nowadays to focus harder) . its all about making the right decisions on who you hang out with, the parent has no control over that except to instill good morals into their kids. and even in that case a lot of kids still fall into the wrong crowd.. the kid needs some role models ASAP he can want to follow, hell all 18 year olds need that. otherwise they will follow what their idiot friends tell them who don't know shit either

 

[digimon7068]

he's too young. I'd be worried about his health to go the educator route. he'll probably think you don't know wtf you're talking about and disregard your advice anyway

I don't know. it's a tough spot

bah! take his shit (for your own personal use)...replace it with fake shit...two birds...one stone...problem solved!!

 

[zwhit]

bah! take his shit (for your own personal use)...replace it with fake shit...two birds...one stone...problem solved!!

win

 

[noodles1010]

Whenever I was doing something stupid growing up, my parents let me know that they knew what I was doing, what I was up to, and what was going to happen and said its up to you... You're 18. Except when it came to my health. No one wants to see their kids doing stupid shit that puts them at risk.
Take him to get his levels checked and and SHOW him how high his levels are and that it's a waste to take ph and shit that will suppress that. Telling isnt always enough. Give him some test infusion, daa, shit that won't hurt him. He's gonna do it anyway. Control it with shit that won't hurt him. Get him some c4 and n2amp, some test infusion and creatine nitrate. Tell him u know he's gonna do shit anyway but atleast you can show him the right way so his health isn't at risk. Yes you're enabling him a little, but with supplements. IMO your protecting him by guiding him and at least he won't be lying to u

 

[Aplopez8]

Just be happy your son is a big buff 18 year old most likely fking mad bitches ..

 

[SinisterUproar]

This morning I found 2 bottles of epistane, a bottle of erase pro, and a bottle of Revolution PCT.

He is 18, still in high school.
Football is over, but he is really into lifting. Which is good.
I think he has decided to not play college football, so his lifting is just for bodybuilding and or health purposes.

He got caught the first time with a prohormone about 6 months ago. . Full bottle in his room. I threw it away and gave him the lecture about how he doesn't need it, it will screw him up later in life, his natural levels are high enough, too young, bla bla bla.

It seems that he is going to do it whether I approve or not. What is even more troubling , is that he seems not too smart about what he is doing.

For example, the epi doesn't aromatize right? Does it even make sense to do erase with it? And, the Revolution PCT contains the same ingredient as Erase! So it would be a double dose of AI with epi. Is that wrong or what?

At this point, what does this kid need? Parents have to eventually realize that kids don't always do what they are told. Should I switch from prison warden to educator mode? How would you handle it?

Bro there are a lot worse things he could be doing. He's 18 and he's into lifting, that's great. The epistane is SUPER mild as far as any pro hormone or steroid goes. Not saying let it go but I would sit him down and talk to him about what exactly he is doing to his body, and that it's really
Not that important to be the biggest and baddest. And not too mention he could completely ruin his sex drive. How would he like all those muscles then when he tries to bang the cheerleader and he can't get it up and the next day the whole school knows. Being the "prison warden" will NOT help.

 

[Strongbow]

When you say stay out of it, do you mean give him his stuff back? It's almost $200 worth, and I wonder where he got the dough.

I'm not doing any juice, and have been clean for almost my whole life, so I'm not being hypocritical to tell him no. On the other hand, I completely understand his temptation to do it, especially to keep up with kids he plays against in football. But now that FB is over, I have a lot less understanding about it.

I know back when I was his age, we were told about how that stuff makes you sterile and bald and shinks the johnson etc. Kids know better now. The typical hysterical scare tactics don't work, and its hard to come up with something that sounds truthful and convincing enough to make him think twice about it.
On the other hand, the old "If I catch you one more time I'll kick your ass" routine definitely doesn't work.

Dude I'm not saying pretend like you don't know, maybe just the preassure of him knowing that you know may help. I am saying DO NOT take a hard line with this. All this ullshit about my house and putting your foot down will get you no where really quick. Being a hot headed dictator may be what some of these joose heads think you should do, but I garuntee you they do not have kids or kids old enough to be facing an issue like this. You my friend are at the cross roads, whre you become the enemy or the allied. The allied will support and try his best to reason. The allied will listen and not judge, only express his concers in a reasonable way. At the end of the day the allied may not be on board with the joosing, but will still have an open channel of communication. The enemy stomps his foot, loses any control of the situation and in the end he's pushing needles and telling you to fuck off. Honestly he's pushing needles in the end anyways, but at least you can communicate with him and monitor his well being. I've been there, my oldest was a defensive back in college, he joosed openly and we had many coversations about it. Started when he was 17, lived with his mother so it was hard for me to have a lot of influence at the time. Now he is done with football so the joosing has stoped and the kid is the picture of a healthy in shape soon to be 24 year old. There is light at the end of the tunnel, but all the bullshit horror stories of early death and not being able to have kids or having a short pecker are bullshit myths, and he is prolly smart enough to know it. Talk to him with facts and tell him how to properly do PCT so that there is no long term damage and in the end you'll see it's just a phase and a lot of teen athletes go through it.

 

[JV]

If the kids 18, he can do what he wants, but hes still under your roof, and should respect your opinion.
But I must ask.. I see almost everyone on here saying taking AAS when young is "stupid and detrimental". But does anyone have any real proof of that? I know of many kids out there that started VERY young, and are stronger than most members on here. Im assuming they will continue to get stronger. Now-a-days everyone's hopping on HRT/TRT anyways. So whats the difference? Is it just jealousy that they didn't start younger? Because all I hear is how BAD it is for you, yet nothing to back those claims up...

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ hmmmm.. i put up a poll about a year ago and 95% of people on this forum are NOT on HRT. that was actually higher than i thought it would be. most guys still cycle beleive it or not.

where are these kids that are so strong anyway? I officiate both high school football and weightlifting and they are fucking skinny as hell to me. i mean i'm sure to their peers/people there age they are huge as you put it. but give me a break they are JUST KIDS DUDE!!! maybe there might be 1 or 2 guys i have looked at in all my years doing this and said "damn that 18 year old is huge" but 99% of them don't have the muscle development yet, their arms are skinny.. chests are skinny.. the strongest dudes I have run in to and the guys who tear it up bodybuilding are all in their 30's, 40s and yes even 50's. you are mis-informed if you think teens are even the same class.

i've seen some of these kids with their shitty attitudes who think they are the shit. but for the most part thankfully most are humble and know they are still learning about their bodies.

no one is saying its bad to weightlift and play sports. we are saying its bad to fuck with hormones. there is a huge difference. how does that make me or anyone else jealous? i started lifting at 15 and that was huge for the progress I have today. had i started at 25 or 30 i would not be anywhere near where I am today. its not when you start juicing, its when you start lifting. unfortunately kids seem to think to lift they MUST juice. and thats not the truth at all.. as males we make hormones and there is no need to add more when you are still a kid period

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mQ7A7tsuOI <<< here is one of those kids we are jealous of.. he is jacked!!! no base and jumping on juice for a year straight and still looks skinny as hell.. but according to him his friends are all asking if he is on steroids. its all about perspective and yes his peers his age all think he is ripped.

 

[Headholio]

I would educate yourself if you aren't already. Sit him down and overwhelm with questions phrased in a way that make it clear YOU are educated on the subject but he is not. Let him know that not only is he too young he has no idea wtf he is messing with.

Good comment.

A lot of good thoughts here. Thanks everyone.

 

[Headholio]

its all about making the right decisions on who you hang out with, the parent has no control over that except to instill good morals into their kids. and even in that case a lot of kids still fall into the wrong crowd.. the kid needs some role models ASAP he can want to follow, hell all 18 year olds need that. otherwise they will follow what their idiot friends tell them who don't know shit either

Very true. A lot of parents, including myself, probably aren't strong enough role models because they just don't communicate enough.

I know with my son these days, talking to him just turns into a lecture. Its hard to have a back and forth conversation. He says "yeah, uh huh", wating for me to stop talking so he can leave.

That makes it easy to blow off the conversation all together. But if you can't talk to him, you can still talk at him, and hope something sinks in I guess.

 

[Headholio]

Give him some test infusion, daa, shit that won't hurt him. He's gonna do it anyway. Control it with shit that won't hurt him. Get him some c4 and n2amp, some test infusion and creatine nitrate. Tell him u know he's gonna do shit anyway but atleast you can show him the right way so his health isn't at risk. Yes you're enabling him a little, but with supplements. IMO your protecting him by guiding him and at least he won't be lying to u

I was giving him test boosters etc for a while, and I thought he would be happy with that. I spend a lot of money on all the supps he wants to take. Then he quit asking for the test boosters, like Unleashed or DAA, and I suspected that he quit because he switched over to AAS. Unfortunately he doesn't even know that he needs that kind of stuff even more if he is using AAS. Definitely needs some education.

 

[Headholio]

Just be happy your son is a big buff 18 year old most likely fking mad bitches ..

Yeah, its cool he's into lifting like his dad. My older son never got into it much. And he's totally into diet and nutrition too. He doesn't drink as much as his friends, which now think might also because of the roids.

 

[stevesmi]

Good comment.

A lot of good thoughts here. Thanks everyone.

cool hope it all works out. seems like you got your answers

gonna close this down then cause I'm sure you don't want your personal biz being debated for 100 pages.. if you want me to re-open it let me know and I will