Formestane- the ultimate Anti-e

[landser]

I was thinking about gyno and such, after watching that video lol, and I was wondering why everyone uses nolva, adex and femare, but not formestane? It, as far as I know, needs to be injected once a week, and completely wipes out estro. Whats the deal?

 

[einstein1905]

I was thinking about gyno and such, after watching that video lol, and I was wondering why everyone uses nolva, adex and femare, but not formestane? It, as far as I know, needs to be injected once a week, and completely wipes out estro. Whats the deal?

If completely wiping out estrogen is your goal, then growing isn't. Stronger AIs are of no benefit to us, since we merely dose our AIs according to the level of estrogen suppression we want, which by the way, is nowhere near full suppression. We use nolva so that we can maintain very high estrogen levjels yet be free from estrogenic sides at the mammary (gyno). Estrogen is very anabolic....we want it above normal levels but not so high as to cause hypertension.....using nolva with a low dose AI is ideal.

 

[Smokescreen]

einstein...check this out. If I plan on doing this for my next bulking cycle, and I know I need estrogen for maximum growth, but then again...I don't want to end up tooooooo bloated and fat. A little is fine...but not to much. And no gyno of course. But I will keep nolva handy just in case. Then what anti-aroma ( If I should use one ) should I use and at what dosage?

500mg's of Enathate Test
6000mg's of EQ
100mg's of Tren ED
10 ius of Slin
8 ius of GH
T3 at only 25mcg for 9 weeks

 

[einstein1905]

einstein...check this out. If I plan on doing this for my next bulking cycle, and I know I need estrogen for maximum growth, but then again...I don't want to end up tooooooo bloated and fat. A little is fine...but not to much. And no gyno of course. But I will keep nolva handy just in case. Then what anti-aroma ( If I should use one ) should I use and at what dosage?

500mg's of Enathate Test
6000mg's of EQ
100mg's of Tren ED
10 ius of Slin
8 ius of GH
T3 at only 25mcg for 9 weeks

I'm not sure if you're one of the people that gets water retention from that dose of GH, but as long as you've been running that dose for a while or have in the past, you'll already know what to expect from that alone (not that this has anything to do with estrogen, but just so you don't attribute all of your bloat to estrogen). You look relatively lean, and 500mg/wk of test is a moderate dose, so I'd say you'd be fine with 0.25mg/day of adex (or .5mg EOD). I personally always use at least .25mg/day of adex and 10mg/day of nolva. I'm at ~9-10% bf usually, and this works well for me at test doses of 500mg-825mg/wk

 

[Whacked]

Ein: HOW are you maintaining healthy lipid levels? AI's KILL them (as you know)

 

[einstein1905]

Ein: HOW are you maintaining healthy lipid levels? AI's KILL them (as you know)

AIs hurt lipid levels when overused.....it's excessively lowered estrogen levels that are damaging to HDL.....not merely the use of AIs. AAS, in general, also lowers HDL, so it's the combination of overusing AIs and the use of AAS that lowers HDL.

Like I said, I never use an AI alone....I always use a low-dose AI with nolva, as nolva increases HDL

 

[Smokescreen]

Nolva increases HDL because it is an estrogen???? If so..then why add an AI for? Your using something (AI) to get rid of estrogen, but then putting it back with Nolvadex? HUH????

 

[einstein1905]

Nolva increases HDL because it is an estrogen???? If so..then why add an AI for? Your using something (AI) to get rid of estrogen, but then putting it back with Nolvadex? HUH????

It's only estrogenic in favorable tissue types (bone and liver), and it's "anti"estrogenic at the mammary....you couldn't ask for more.. The ONLY reason we're using an AI is to just stay away from hypertension due to excessive bloat, and using a low-dose AI will accomplish this

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Nolva increases HDL because it is an estrogen???? If so..then why add an AI for? Your using something (AI) to get rid of estrogen, but then putting it back with Nolvadex? HUH????

yes. its becoming a more common practice. especially when using letro, as it can suppress E to nullity.

though very low doses of nolva or tamox should be used and they have VERY VERY long half lives so keep that in mind when dosing them. nolva initially has an 8-10 day half life with extended use, 14 days and over. so keep it low, you dont need a lot.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

btw- aromasin is much better than formestane which is less selective and weaker.