Forma Vs Clomid Mods and Reps Read

[Texas Monster]

Hey All,

Been reading a lot about PCT lately.

Now in needtos post about holistic PCT he claims that there is no need to take clomid if you take forma during PCT because forma acts as a natural phytoserm as well.

In reading some other posts ( the one about the truth about nolva) Nelson was saying that what can be said about Nolva can be said about clomid as well.

It seems like there is a split between Needto and the NTBM reps out there when it comes to PCT as outline below.

NTBM rep PCT
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Forma
DAA
PCT+UNLEASHED

NEEDtos PCT
Forma
DAA
PCT+Unleashed
Need2slin

So what is the deal with this? Is it just preference whether or not to run clomid in your PCT?

Who has done the PCT without clomid?

Chime in Looking to get Needto and the Reps to talk it out on this thread.

 

[LOVEOZ]

I not long completed my first cycle of test.cyp 10 weeks. I didn't use clomid. my pct consisted of unleashed, post,forma and used hcgen during my cycle. I felt good.no bloods, although no loss of libido. No depression.

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[needtogetaas]

pct done with hcg and clomid first test 1
pct done with forma-stanzol and phytoserm-347 in test 2

Argument over thank you

 

[needtogetaas]

The above blood test were given to me by a new member who has no clue what was going on. He pm'ed me asking for help after a ccyle. Said he had done pct with hcg and clomid and was not recovered. I told him do 4 weeks of phytoserm and forma-stanzol and the results were off the charts test levels above 750 that is insane... I have other blood test proving all the advice i give...

The reason you will see some reps and some people saying you have to use clomid or nolva is they just cant let go of the past. they just cant wrap their head around the fact that something else really can and does work. They have seen " you must use a serum" for so damn long they just cant let go of it. Or they just dont have the balls to speak the truth maybe.. When I know something works I say it works and I dont give a flying fuck who likes it or not. It works tough shit if you don't want to except it. I dont blame people for wanting to play it safe though.. Their playing it safe witht he advice they give. trying to not rock the boat or something maybe.. Well I love rocking the boat its my life. Changing the status, proving the masses wrong I live for it.

 

[needtogetaas]

I will make sure the man who had these test done post in this thread too. and I will make sure we get lots more and post them all in this thread too.

 

[Nelson Montana]

The above blood test were given to me by a new member who has no clue what was going on. He pm'ed me asking for help after a ccyle. Said he had done pct with hcg and clomid and was not recovered. I told him do 4 weeks of phytoserm and forma-stanzol and the results were off the charts test levels above 750 that is insane... I have other blood test proving all the advice i give...

The reason you will see some reps and some people saying you have to use clomid or nolva is they just cant let go of the past. they just cant wrap their head around the fact that something else really can and does work. They have seen " you must use a serum" for so damn long they just cant let go of it. Or they just dont have the balls to speak the truth maybe.. When I know something works I say it works and I dont give a flying fuck who likes it or not. It works tough shit if you don't want to except it. I dont blame people for wanting to play it safe though.. Their playing it safe witht he advice they give. trying to not rock the boat or something maybe.. Well I love rocking the boat its my life. Changing the status, proving the masses wrong I live for it.

+1 ^^^^^^. And Needto is always one to say, if clomid works for you...great! But adding this and that will still help.

Hey, It doesn't take money out of our pockets if someone wants to use clomid. But more and more, guys are realizing they can recover better without clomid, so why use it? And why recommend it?

 

[Andreas Munzer]

needtogetass covered this nicely

you can get forma stanzol over at the mrsupps website

nothing like a harmless plug right

 

[Texas Monster]

Needto how do you feel about adding Triptorelin to PCT?

So the PCT would look like this.
Forma starting 1st week after last pin lasting 6 weeks
PCT+Unleashed starting 2 weeks after last pin
Phytoserms 347 starting 2 weeks after last pin
DAA starting 2 weeks after last pin
1x100mcg Triptorelin shot 3 weeks after last pin.

 

[RickRock13]

I use Clomid and Formastanozol both in PCT, and I have seriously considered dropping the Clomid on a future cycle. With all the great OTC supplements we have like unleashed, post cycle, Formastanozol, HCGenerate, phytoserms, and DAA I think the days of the SERM could be coming to an end

 

[callmejay]

I will make sure the man who had these test done post in this thread too. and I will make sure we get lots more and post them all in this thread too.

Love seeing the bloodwork, thanks for sharing. Those levels are through the roof.

OP, Forma is definitely powerful stuff and has loads of research behind it. You can't go wrong using FS.

Needto, since there's a 6 month gap between those tests, do you know if he was still running the forma and phyto when the tests were taken or was the bloodwork done well after he had recovered using forma and phyto?

I would be very interested to hear what his PCT was with HCG and Clomid - what dosages, duration, and when he started.

Looking forward to the rest of the samples you'll be posting, needto.

 

[needtogetaas]

Needto how do you feel about adding Triptorelin to PCT?

So the PCT would look like this.
Forma starting 1st week after last pin lasting 6 weeks
PCT+Unleashed starting 2 weeks after last pin
Phytoserms 347 starting 2 weeks after last pin
DAA starting 2 weeks after last pin
1x100mcg Triptorelin shot 3 weeks after last pin.

I dont think you will find a single person anywhere on any forum or anywhere in the world who would say Peptides are not a good add to any pct. No effect on the HPTA recovery at all yet added muscle growth, recovery, and or preservation. What the fucks not to love about that? chemicalneed.com is the best place to get peptides though and if they don't sell it then you don't really need it. Triptorelin as a peptide its self has never impressed me at all. GHRP-2 and smeriline are my favorites

 

[needtogetaas]

Love seeing the bloodwork, thanks for sharing. Those levels are through the roof.

OP, Forma is definitely powerful stuff and has loads of research behind it. You can't go wrong using FS.

Needto, since there's a 6 month gap between those tests, do you know if he was still running the forma and phyto when the tests were taken or was the bloodwork done well after he had recovered using forma and phyto?

I would be very interested to hear what his PCT was with HCG and Clomid - what dosages, duration, and when he started.

Looking forward to the rest of the samples you'll be posting, needto.

His first pct was done doing the traditional old stile pct. End cycle then do 10 days of hcg 1000ius every other day for ten days. Once this is done start clomid ( almost exactly 2 weeks after cycle is over) and run it 4-6 weeks. 200mg ed week 1, 100mg ed week 2, 75mg ed week 3 , 50mg ed week 4-5-6 if he went that long...

He then got the blood test done about 2 weeks after that pct was over. He then proceeded to go to a butt load of doctors, endo's and shit for a wile and took what they gave him. After this did not work he went on to try natural products and advice given by many people on other forums. This I assume went on for almost a year before he came across our awesome family here at elitefitness and thus of course found yours truly. At which time I told him it had been so long I thought all he really needed was phyto and forma... Looking over all he had told me I knew this would do the trick..

He came back 4 weeks later with " Hey you think I should get more phyto and forma check out my test results now" My reply was Holy shit man please give me your test results.... Which reminds me I need to hunt this guy down I owe him a bottle of phytoserm-347 for allowing me the right to use his results... letting me use his info.. thank you my friend if you are reading this...and please contact me again.

 

[needtogetaas]

I meant 6 months not a year sorry

 

[stevesmi]

without peptides added to my last couple cycles I don't know where I'd be.. they are awesome to use on my rats

chemical need has the best quality period

 

[Blaster22]

Steve, can you outlay the peptides you ran and when/where you ran them?