For those with ADD: Adderall and AS?!

[fbodyguy02]

I was recently diagnosed with ADHD, and have been taking 15mg Adderall XR for the past month or so. My bulking cycle begins in October, but I was wondering if there would be any complications of taking adderall and using gear at the same time?

The only complications I can think of are: decreased appetite, and increased blood pressure.

Should I drop the Adderall while on cycle?

 

[ViperHMS]

I was recently diagnosed with ADHD, and have been taking 15mg Adderall XR for the past month or so. My bulking cycle begins in October, but I was wondering if there would be any complications of taking adderall and using gear at the same time?

The only complications I can think of are: decreased appetite, and increased blood pressure.

Should I drop the Adderall while on cycle?

The hardest part is having an appetite at all. I wouldnt want to take it all week due to that, definately not during a bulking cycle.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Technically, Adderall is not a CNS but that shit made me jump out of my skin.

I'm sorry, but personally, I think ADD is a bullshit diagnosis. Everybody has ADD.

As for ADHD, use the hyperactivity to focus on positive habits. I'll bet the greatest successes were ADHD types. I have it and it's what makes me tick and fuck taking anything that'll change me from being me.

Just my opinion.

 

[dabuffguy]

Technically, Adderall is not a CNS but that shit made me jump out of my skin.

I'm sorry, but personally, I think ADD is a bullshit diagnosis. Everybody has ADD.

As for ADHD, use the hyperactivity to focus on positive habits. I'll bet the greatest successes were ADHD types. I have it and it's what makes me tick and fuck taking anything that'll change me from being me.

Just my opinion.

I did a college paper on ADHD, and it is largely misdiagnosed. Is is real, but real cases are rare. Discipline in creating good habits is what most need, not pills.

Anyone who gives a child an ADD/ADHD diagnosis needs to be smacked upside the head. Usually, if there is a medical issue, ritalin will actually worsen the issue.


As far as taking it with AAS, just stay away from EQ. Anxiety symptoms can be exponentiated on ritalin.

 

[eddymerckx]

Technically, Adderall is not a CNS but that shit made me jump out of my skin.

I'm sorry, but personally, I think ADD is a bullshit diagnosis. Everybody has ADD.

As for ADHD, use the hyperactivity to focus on positive habits. I'll bet the greatest successes were ADHD types. I have it and it's what makes me tick and fuck taking anything that'll change me from being me.

Just my opinion.

I have a PET scan that would say different--before diagnosis and treatment: high school drop-out at 16 and more fights than i care to mention...after treatment--well you know who i am, my collection of degrees and what i do for a living.....so....and any cns puts me to sleep

 

[layinback]

adderall is a mixture of amphetamine resins. amphetamine is a powerful class of stimulant. amphetamines decrease your appetite and
are EXTREMELY catabolic. neither of these characteristics are conducive to bulking or bodybuilding in general.

maybe you should consider a none stimulant alternative such as strattera. straterra has shown efficacy in adults with ADD. strattera
won't eat your hard earned muscle and it won't suppress your appetite.

btw i agree with dabuffguy. adhd and add are real, but rare. unfortunately my sons and i are some of the real and rare cases.
as small children, we had to put the guys on ritalin. when my boys reached their mid teens, they were mature enough to learn
coping skills and the medicine was discontinued. i learned to make my adhd work for me and i have taught my children to do
likewise. i'm 44 and i have boundless energy and creativity. i use it constructively and i have people on the payroll to be attentive
and do *detail work* for me. read the book *DRIVEN TO DISTRACTION*

 

[Nelson Montana]

I have a PET scan that would say different--before diagnosis and treatment: high school drop-out at 16 and more fights than i care to mention...after treatment--well you know who i am, my collection of degrees and what i do for a living.....so....and any cns puts me to sleep

I should clarify. It isn;t that it doesn;t exist. I just think too many doctors are eager to diagnose anything and everything as ADD. And as dabuff said, ritalin is overprescribed and often makes matters worse. I've seen it dozens of times.

Jack LaLAnne is a typical ADHD type and he used it to be a maniac of a physical specimen. I'll bet Da vici and Henry Ford were uber ADHD. Arnold? MEGA ADHD!!!

I'm glad it worked for you eddy, but I don't know the whole story. Lots of kids are fucked up at 16. I'm not sure that's indicative of anything other than being 16. I was a lunatic at 16. I shouldn't be alive, or at least in prison. People can change their world around in many ways.

 

[OMEGA]

adderall is a mixture of amphetamine resins. amphetamine is a powerful class of stimulant. amphetamines decrease your appetite and
are EXTREMELY catabolic. neither of these characteristics are conducive to bulking or bodybuilding in general.

maybe you should consider a none stimulant alternative such as strattera. straterra has shown efficacy in adults with ADD. strattera
won't eat your hard earned muscle and it won't suppress your appetite.

btw i agree with dabuffguy. adhd and add are real, but rare. unfortunately my sons and i are some of the real and rare cases.
as small children, we had to put the guys on ritalin. when my boys reached their mid teens, they were mature enough to learn
coping skills and the medicine was discontinued. i learned to make my adhd work for me and i have taught my children to do
likewise. i'm 44 and i have boundless energy and creativity. i use it constructively and i have people on the payroll to be attentive
and do *detail work* for me. read the book *DRIVEN TO DISTRACTION*

WOW thanks for sharing
interesting info


they just thought I was retarded in school maybe they are right I dunnu

 

[layinback]

WOW thanks for sharing
interesting info


they just thought I was retarded in school maybe they are right I dunnu

me too!!! true story: first grade teacher calls my mom and says, " mrs kennedy,
i think randy is retarded. he won't listen, assaults other children and curses
them." lolololololololololol

historically, me thinks we are in good company.

 

[OMEGA]

LOL I am not joking Same Year for me too HA!

all the way up till Senior year in high school i had some teachers that thought i was retarded and some that saw something

thank GOD and the goodness for the postive ones

they made a huge impact on me.

 

[layinback]

LOL I am not joking Same Year for me too HA!

all the way up till Senior year in high school i had some teachers that thought i was retarded and some that saw something

thank GOD and the goodness for the postive ones

they made a huge impact on me.

i can totally relate. there were a select few who had faith in my abilities
and took time to work with me.

we all have different modalities of learning and mine is a hands on,
do it at my own pace style. when educators put people in a box,
they short circuit the learning process for a great deal of people.
teaching is not effective when it's homogenized.

look at us omega, we are both business owners. we love our work with
its free reign of creativity. being retarded aint that bad!

 

[lookinfit75]

i can totally relate. there were a select few who had faith in my abilities
and took time to work with me.

we all have different modalities of learning and mine is a hands on,
do it at my own pace style. when educators put people in a box,
they short circuit the learning process for a great deal of people.
teaching is not effective when it's homogenized.

look at us omega, we are both business owners. we love our work with
its free reign of creativity. being retarded aint that bad!

+1 I don't know if I qualify as having any of these disorders but I do know that I always marched to the beat of my own drum. Thank God I had a few teachers who let me do things my way because that was really the only way I ever learned. I was labelled an under achiever, what ever that means. I doubt any of the one's who labelled me that get to travel the world as much as I do and love every second of my gig. Who's the under achiever now haha.

 

[ViperHMS]

adderall is a mixture of amphetamine resins.

maybe you should consider a none stimulant alternative such as strattera. straterra has shown efficacy in adults with ADD. strattera
won't eat your hard earned muscle and it won't suppress your appetite.

I believe it is amphetamine SALTS not resins. It is made up of neutral sulfate salts of dextroamphetamine and amphetamine, with the dextro isomer of amphetamine saccharate and d, l-amphetamine aspartate monohydrate.

Strattera I believe is a horrible alternative. I was first started on strattera and I had some sides that I could not deal with and requested that I be taken off of it. Strattera is not a stimulant like Ritalin or Adderall and it works through completely different pathways on the brain.

 

[OMEGA]

Salts

 

[dabuffguy]

WOW thanks for sharing
interesting info


they just thought I was retarded in school maybe they are right I dunnu

They were right.

LMAO, I love you OMEGA.

 

[ViperHMS]

they were right.

Lmao, i love you omega.

lmfao!!!!

 

[OMEGA]

Lol!

 

[halfcenturian]

I did a college paper on ADHD, and it is largely misdiagnosed. Is is real, but real cases are rare. Discipline in creating good habits is what most need, not pills.

Anyone who gives a child an ADD/ADHD diagnosis needs to be smacked upside the head. Usually, if there is a medical issue, ritalin will actually worsen the issue.


As far as taking it with AAS, just stay away from EQ. Anxiety symptoms can be exponentiated on ritalin.

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Your college paper and point of view on ADD / ADHD is erroneous.
My wife works with these kids every day. IT'S REAL.

Misdiagnosed / Over prescribed -- YES.

Kid needs a trip behind the Wood Shed -- PROBABLY.

Not a real affliction, medication worthless -- HORSE SHIT.

Ask Mr. Merckx....

 

[eddymerckx]

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Your college paper and point of view on ADD / ADHD is erroneous.
My wife works with these kids every day. IT'S REAL.

Misdiagnosed / Over prescribed -- YES.

Kid needs a trip behind the Wood Shed -- PROBABLY.

Not a real affliction, medication worthless -- HORSE SHIT.

Ask Mr. Merckx....

what HC said---a college paper? you mean a book report but with a fancy cover. maybe if she did her Neuroscience Ph.D. thesis on it and then a few post-docs and clinical studies, I may listen to her arguments, but otherwise the value of a college paper is limited to whether or not Capt. Ahab wanted to tea bag Moby Dick.

 

[halfcenturian]

me too!!! true story: first grade teacher calls my mom and says, " mrs kennedy,
i think randy is retarded. he won't listen, assaults other children and curses
them." lolololololololololol

historically, me thinks we are in good company.

I agree with you first grade teacher...RETARD!




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[access]

I have a buddy who takes adderall as his pre workout supplement and swears it is the best thing ever. I nearly tried it more than once but decided against.

Some very personal stories in here (thanks for sharing) and seems some conflicting views. I guess that is somewhat at the root of the whole problem with ADD/ADHD not being totally understood by a lot of medical practioners out there and we wll know they tend to write scripts all too easy for just about anything.

 

[eddymerckx]

+1 I don't know if I qualify as having any of these disorders but I do know that I always marched to the beat of my own drum. Thank God I had a few teachers who let me do things my way because that was really the only way I ever learned. I was labelled an under achiever, what ever that means. I doubt any of the one's who labelled me that get to travel the world as much as I do and love every second of my gig. Who's the under achiever now haha.

yea, in the late 70s earlyt 80s they called me a chronic underachiever (add, not adhd)---the school put all of us together into a talented and gifted program--smartest people i ever met....i am the only one (of 6) who is still alive and not done time (knock wood).

 

[eddymerckx]

I have a buddy who takes adderall as his pre workout supplement and swears it is the best thing ever. I nearly tried it more than once but decided against.

Some very personal stories in here (thanks for sharing) and seems some conflicting views. I guess that is somewhat at the root of the whole problem with ADD/ADHD not being totally understood by a lot of medical practioners out there and we wll know they tend to write scripts all too easy for just about anything.

i agree--i was officially diagnosed at 25--and that was after many tests and a PET scan that clearly showed it--that said I agree with layingback--I love ADD--most of the time.

the problem is that the clinical signs are too broad--but PET scans are too expensive--the best way to tell--give them Ritalin, Adderall, Dexedrine--and see if they calm down or stay-up for 3 days.

 

[fbodyguy02]

There are some good points here. My main concern is the health risks of taking adderall while on a cycle (mainly high blood pressure) and ability to consume the nessesary foods to promote muscle growth.

I know for a fact that my appetite is nearly shot after about an hour of taking adderall. Today for example, I totally forgot to eat lunch becuase I was so focused on completing tasks at work. I still made it to the gym though at the end of the day, but almost skipped my workout to go home, eat, and relax.

I just purchased all my goodies for my upcomming bulking cycle and don't want to waste it if I'm going to hinder my gains...

I think I'm going to drop the adderall when I start my bulking...especially since I know my BP will skyrocket since I wil be taking d.bol to kickstart my cycle.

Thanks to everyone who replied to this thread.

 

[Nelson Montana]

i agree--i was officially diagnosed at 25--and that was after many tests and a PET scan that clearly showed it--that said I agree with layingback--I love ADD--most of the time.

the problem is that the clinical signs are too broad--but PET scans are too expensive--the best way to tell--give them Ritalin, Adderall, Dexedrine--and see if they calm down or stay-up for 3 days.

Just a personal note on treating these "disorders" with drugs.

In grade school I was considered hopeless and unable to concentrate because of my ADD and was put in the remedial class. Today, I do writing for corporate CEO's, tycoons, doctors , lawyers and politicians.

I was told I had no musical talent and lacked the focus to learn. Today I play nine instruments and have been featured in Bass Player and Modern Drummer magazine.

I was told I was wild and irresponsible and my child would be reckless and undisaplined. He graduated suma cum laude.

I was kicked out of the school play because I was told I couldn't take direction. I went on to appear in film, stage and TV.

I was told I was too scrawny to ever have any muscle. At age 40 I worked as a body model without ever using a steroids and at age 42 I placed in the NPC Championships after a few short cycles of under 500 mgs a week.


I failed my personal training test. TWICE. Today, I've had over 300 published articles in all the major muscle magazines.

I was told my theories were ridiculous. Today, those same theories are proposed and quoted by the reigning authorities.

I'm not saying this to brag, I'm saying it to show you can turn your life around in many ways. Don't listen to the naysayers. Most of the people that slammed me are fucked up, fat, alcoholics, or have kids who are headed for the slammer.

Who are the people prescribing these drugs? Who are the experts? I dated a psychologist and she was the messed up, dysfunctional person I ever knew. I had one shrink tell me I desperately needed to take anti depressants. Instead, I recorded an album and wrote a book which has sold over 10,000 copies.

Fuck them all. Turn your flaws into strengths.

Drugs have their place. But they should be at the end of the line, not the beginning.

 

[needtogetaas]

Just a personal note on treating these "disorders" with drugs.

In grade school I was considered hopeless and unable to concentrate because of my ADD and was put in the remedial class. Today, I do writing for corporate CEO's, tycoons, doctors , lawyers and politicians.

I was told I had no musical talent and lacked the focus to learn. Today I play nine instruments and have been featured in Bass Player and Modern Drummer magazine.

I was told I was wild and irresponsible and my child would be reckless and undisaplined. He graduated suma cum laude.

I was kicked out of the school play because I was told I couldn't take direction. I went on to appear in film, stage and TV.

I was told I was too scrawny to ever have any muscle. At age 40 I worked as a body model without ever using a steroids and at age 42 I placed in the NPC Championships after a few short cycles of under 500 mgs a week.


I failed my personal training test. TWICE. Today, I've had over 300 published articles in all the major muscle magazines.

I was told my theories were ridiculous. Today, those same theories are proposed and quoted by the reigning authorities.

I'm not saying this to brag, I'm saying it to show you can turn your life around in many ways. Don't listen to the naysayers. Most of the people that slammed me are fucked up, fat, alcoholics, or have kids who are headed for the slammer.

Who are the people prescribing these drugs? Who are the experts? I dated a psychologist and she was the messed up, dysfunctional person I ever knew. I had one shrink tell me I desperately needed to take anti depressants. Instead, I recorded an album and wrote a book which has sold over 10,000 copies.

Fuck them all. Turn your flaws into strengths.

Drugs have their place. But they should be at the end of the line, not the beginning.

yup. I have big time adhd and add myself.

 

[eddymerckx]

There are some good points here. My main concern is the health risks of taking adderall while on a cycle (mainly high blood pressure) and ability to consume the nessesary foods to promote muscle growth.

I know for a fact that my appetite is nearly shot after about an hour of taking adderall. Today for example, I totally forgot to eat lunch becuase I was so focused on completing tasks at work. I still made it to the gym though at the end of the day, but almost skipped my workout to go home, eat, and relax.

I just purchased all my goodies for my upcomming bulking cycle and don't want to waste it if I'm going to hinder my gains...

I think I'm going to drop the adderall when I start my bulking...especially since I know my BP will skyrocket since I wil be taking d.bol to kickstart my cycle.

Thanks to everyone who replied to this thread.

i can take d-bol w/20mg adderall xr 2x a day, but i have to keep the dose <30 or BP is an major issue. the other potential sides are long term and not an issue. it will only hinder if is impact your caloric intake----it kills appetite in some (not me...sadly)