For Tatyana and others.

[Big_Joe]

I have a bunch of gear that has been kicking around with me for awhile now. I don't have any real suspicion of it's sterility but I would like to be sure. I have thought of running it in a pressure cooker and sterilize it but I have no idea what that will do to the potency. My next idea is to just pasteurize it by heating it to 185-190 degrees for twenty minutes. This should be easier on the compounds in the gear then the sterilizing method but one never knows.

Now the reason I am doing this is I bought a bunch of test prop for a good price. But then found out I react to test prop badly. If I cut it down with more oil I don't get the reaction. So I bought some sterile oil, at least they say it's sterile, to cut it with. But I really don't trust the sterility of this oil and would like to do something to improve my chances of not getting an abscess, I have had one they are no fun. I could add some BA but that also increases the pain factor.

What do you think Tatyana and anybody else that cares to comment. And it's not just test prop. I'm making my own little cocktail of test prop, tren A and tren E along with Test E. The test E is not in the mix but added in the syringe.

So what's your ideas about this safety issue?

 

[AAP]

If you ever have suspicions of sterility it is better to err on the side of caution than risk.

Get some more gear that you know is good.

You realizing that mixing all that in the little combo is going to call for a high level of BA right? You can't add one amount of BA for the entire thing but rather, each is going to require its own and the sum adds up. Which is why Sust has more BA than Enan, Cyp or Prop.

Factor in that you have two esters with short lives in there, prop & tren A, the shorter the life, the higher amount of BA that is need to stabilize it.

Personally I would say pick two things and stick with them. Test prop and EQ, Tren and Test E, etc..

 

[bw1]

If you ever have suspicions of sterility it is better to err on the side of caution than risk.

Get some more gear that you know is good.

You realizing that mixing all that in the little combo is going to call for a high level of BA right? You can't add one amount of BA for the entire thing but rather, each is going to require its own and the sum adds up. Which is why Sust has more BA than Enan, Cyp or Prop.

Factor in that you have two esters with short lives in there, prop & tren A, the shorter the life, the higher amount of BA that is need to stabilize it.

Personally I would say pick two things and stick with them. Test prop and EQ, Tren and Test E, etc..

+1

 

[needtogetaas]

If you ever have suspicions of sterility it is better to err on the side of caution than risk.

Get some more gear that you know is good.

You realizing that mixing all that in the little combo is going to call for a high level of BA right? You can't add one amount of BA for the entire thing but rather, each is going to require its own and the sum adds up. Which is why Sust has more BA than Enan, Cyp or Prop.

Factor in that you have two esters with short lives in there, prop & tren A, the shorter the life, the higher amount of BA that is need to stabilize it.

Personally I would say pick two things and stick with them. Test prop and EQ, Tren and Test E, etc..

+2

 

[Big_Joe]

All the oil that has gear I have used before and have had no sterility problems. But I react badly to test prop. Can't walk after one injection. I have a bunch of this gear and with the climate what it is I would much rather find a way to use the large stash that I have then put my self at risk another way. The only thing I question is the "sterile oil" I bought to dilute the tren A and test prop gear, it's 100mg per ml each. The "sterile oil" is the only thing that doesn't have BA in it already.

But all this might be mute. I tried a half ml about 1/2 inch under the skin of my glute to see how I would react. So far no swelling and no pain. If I would have done this with the tren A test prop mix it would hurt like hell and be swollen and red from the prop. I know I've tried that one before.

I have some BA but the point is to reduce the pain of injection, BA doesn't have that effect.

Just to be clear I'm not home brewing, I'm doing the same thing one does when they put two or more compounds in the same syringe. The only difference being I'm doing it in a vial for convenience.

If I have a problem I will post on the forum and let you all chastise me for it ;-}

And just for those folks that are unfortunate enough to get an abscess. I had some different gear about two years ago and got an abscess in my leg. I went to the doctor and told them I had a board with a nail shoved into my leg while taking down a barn. (There are lots of barns where I live. ) The doctor had no problem believing me and gave me antibiotics for it with no more questions. I was buffed with veins popping out in my arms and the doc didn't even question me about AAS. So that's a story you can use when you go to a doctor. One other thing I do is never give them my real name. They always want my SSN but I tell them I have been the victim of identity theft and don't give that out anymore. I then show them the money and say I will pay up front for treatment. As soon as they smell the money it's no problem.

 

[Nelson Montana]

First of all Tatty is a natty.

Secondly, don't look for bargains when buying gear. If you have a bad reaction, or suspect something isn't right, throw it away.

 

[eddymerckx]

+2

+3 ...plus what nelson said--bargain gear?? you are putting a substance directly into your body--past all the body's major defense mechanisms and the only thing you are left with is an immune response-----assuming contamination is the only problem.....what if the stuff is drain cleaner???? Know your source and do not bargain shop.

 

[enacer420nj]

+3 ...plus what nelson said--bargain gear?? you are putting a substance directly into your body--past all the body's major defense mechanisms and the only thing you are left with is an immune response-----assuming contamination is the only problem.....what if the stuff is drain cleaner???? Know your source and do not bargain shop.

+4 lol
Health aint worth saving 20 per bottle or having to question sterility issues... Last time I bought something that was boxed nicely and was supposed to be "like pharm grade" had some shit floating in it. Im done with UGLs unless its someone that has been around and has a good reputation with people I trust...fuck these fly by night places and know your references...people that say shit is top notch might be the same people profiting off of it.

 

[Big_Joe]

This is good gear. I bought it from a guy a couple of years or more ago ( I'm sure if I said the name you'd know right away who it was that was selling it ). I had sold a couple of houses and was flush with cash so I stocked up on a lot of things. I have been using this gear for a couple of years now. The only thing that gives me any problems is the test prop, and I have have more then I am willing to throw out. It's common for some people to react to test prop. Nothing else gives me a problem.

Right now is a very bad time to try and buy gear, because of the arrest factor and the price is very high right now. I am just using what I have and I hope that the craze of putting people in jail will blow over after the Olympics. Just look at what has happened to this forum. In the past it was fairly common for sellers to be open on the forum and now it's don't even think about a source.

Also the test I did with a 1/2ml one inch in my glute is giving me no problem at all so I think I have solved the problem. It's odd because I have used Nile sus and Omnadren and have no problem with the prop in those. But when I use more the 50mg it hurts like a bitch. So I guess the solution is don't use more then 50mg at a time.

And the reason I called out for Tatyana is she has medical background. She understands the difference between pasteurizing and sterilizing, or at least I think she does. Using BA to sterilize something is the home brewers method. It's not the best. Running something through an autoclave, or a pressure cooker, kills everything, well except for some viruses but BA doesn't kill them either, so it's much nicer on your body to not over do the BA. Yes it's used as a preservative but I don't want to use more of it. And the reality is there was probably more then enough BA in the thirty ML of gear I added to the ten ml of oil to have a high enough percentage of BA to preserve the new mix. What my question was really about was what's good enough pasteurization or sterilization? And does gear break down under high heat and pressure? If it does then you don't want to autoclave, or pressure cook.