Food For Thought...From a Pro

[Tryn2]

What I dont understand is all the BS that is chatted on this board in the anabolic and training forums. I mean why not outline how to get to be one of those guys ? Diet, Training, aas use. I dont get it, I mean I know you can't follow it word for word and gentics and yadadaidida everyones different. I think that is a SILLY cop-out!!! But You could be on here for years and all you can do is ask questions and get some answers. But who's answering the questions ? I see advice flow from guys on here and they really are not all that impressive. I think there should be very lengthly reports on this board on how to be a bodybuilder. I mean Ok so ARNOLD's book isnt right because of his gentics....fine so what is right ??? I know it has many factors but there isnt really many clear answers on this board. Like of those top national guys you talk about what do there routines look like ?? Are they the same now as when they started ? Whats different ? There aas use, you say you know, post it up....There diets , what do they eat, when, how much, what changes ? Are they powerlifters ? Bodybuilders ? Powerbuilders ? Everyones different but there has to be some fundemental building blocks. Maybe if you clued us in on some of their details alot of it may work for guys who really want to know and who give 110% and want to find out the damn TRUTH !!!! Sometimes I think this board even though people here dog magazines the answers are kind of hidden. There is not enough about what works for the top guys as I like. I like the board but if you have the answers why not give us an inside look into these so called national guys, do it with a fine toothe comb. I think it would be much appreciated by the members......I think the training aspect of it is way, way short of being very helpful....So there are many ways, What do they do for there workouts, sets,reps,frequency, rest periods, break periods, rep it out or forced reps ? Rest pause.....Come on throw us a bone...!!!!!!!

 

[Tryn2]

Look Im not downing it so bad, Im trying to make it better. I have talked with many on here who agree....

 

[pitbullstl]

Everyones different but there has to be some fundemental building blocks. Maybe if you clued us in on some of their details alot of it may work for guys who really want to know and who give 110% and want to find out the damn TRUTH ...!!!!!!!

Seek and ye shall find. The fundamnetals haven't changed in years, maybe adapted over time, and that comes with new discoveries. But the bottom line is right there in the first post, and all over this board. Training, Diet, Recovery, AAS, oh yeah and GENETICS. You have to trial and error this shit to death (ie:supplementation, training, etc..to find out what works for you) but the bottom line is STICK TO THE BASICS. If I had a nickel for every guy I know that followed the strictest of diets, training programs, plenty of rest, and was sauced to the gills, but yet still never achieved the look he was going for..................well, I'd have a lot of nickels.

As much as people do not want to hear this..........if it ain't gonna happen....it ain't gonna happen.

 

[Beachbum1546]

The bottom line here concerning roid use is that it is not how much you use, but rather how many androgen receptors you are born with.

Some people can take a little bit of juice and simply explode. I know a former pro BBer who never took more than 400mg test and 400mg weekly from his teenage years, to the time he won the nationals, to all his competitions. when he came back to compete in teh Masters O a couple years ago, he had not touched juice in about 5 years and he still did the same cycle with GH thrown in the last three weeks and he gained 22 pounds of muscle in five months. I think we know what three weeks of GH will do. Nothing.

Paul Baker here in Ft Lauderdale, IFBB pro, take 600mg test cyp weekly year around. This dude easily weighs 320 pounds off season.

is there any way to know how receptive you are to steroids without taking them? is there a test to find out how many androgen receptors one has?

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

Seek and ye shall find. The fundamnetals haven't changed in years, maybe adapted over time, and that comes with new discoveries. But the bottom line is right there in the first post, and all over this board. Training, Diet, Recovery, AAS, oh yeah and GENETICS. You have to trial and error this shit to death (ie:supplementation, training, etc..to find out what works for you) but the bottom line is STICK TO THE BASICS. If I had a nickel for every guy I know that followed the strictest of diets, training programs, plenty of rest, and was sauced to the gills, but yet still never achieved the look he was going for..................well, I'd have a lot of nickels.

As much as people do not want to hear this..........if it ain't gonna happen....it ain't gonna happen.

Really true, if you've been on gear for X years and it's really not doing "it" for you, then stop! If you're THAT frustrated with yourself I'll bet gear has about 10% of the reason you look the way you do, so stop the gear and figure out your real reason for not looking good, diet, train, genet, rest etc. You can still diet, train, rest, and rely on your own genetics to get a decent body. By no means should anyone on this board rest on one persons comments or recommendations...In my original post, I said I need to sleep more! Obviously my bro doesn't take as much gear as I, but he def. has better genetics than I. It doesn't matter if Dorian Yates, Chris Cormier, Jay Cutler, Ronnie C. , Craig Titus, King Kamali all Post their EXACT bodybuilding secrets....ITS all about what works best for YOU...this is something I've recently learned and i haven't been on gear very long fortunately to abuse it to extremes like many up here have. It's late and I'm not even sure what I wrote makes 2 cents of shit to anyone, but i tried

 

[AAP]

is there any way to know how receptive you are to steroids without taking them? is there a test to find out how many androgen receptors one has?

Not that I know of. But there are some people that are just born to be big. Some people are born to respond very well to muscle stimulus (training) others are born to respond very well to chemical enhancement (roiding). You find these people look like an average gym body builder and then just blow up crazy when on the juice. Levrone is an example of this.

Then you have people that simply have to take extreme amounts of AAS to build size. Franco Santeriollo or however you spell his name (from the cybergenics ad) is one of these. Ultimate Warrior (aka Anabolic Warrior) is another. Some people have to hit the 5 gram mark weekly to see growth enough to place them over the amateur level.

 

[KA-BAR]

I know many pro's use a ton of shit but not all of them. One guy that i know who is a genetic freak only uses 500mg of test, 400mg deca and a few other odds like clen a shit. He has never touched HGH or slin. You would not bel him if you saw him. I want to post his website badly but I am sure he does not want me talking about him in here.

 

[Makavelli]

I agree with Ulter. I've trained lots of BB's and the ones that competed at the national level all used around 2 grams a week, and a couple up to 5 grams a week. I remember years ago when that Dorian cycle post came out I thought it was total BS. Now I know differently. If you're not going to compete use lower dosages, but if you'e a competitor then you'll have to go higher unless you're a genetic freak like Dugdale. On a side note I really like Dugdale's physique. I wish him the best in the pros. He's always on Mayhem and is a great person.

 

[Ulter]

Tryn2

That used to go on here all the time. This board was filled with pros and those who train and advise them on steroids. All the "secrets" were posted here regularly by people like E2. Those people are gone now and no one will take their place. Mainly because of the great job George has done promoting his board has driven them away because it's too high profile. The other reason is, you don't want to know what most of them use. If an E2 pro cycle was posted for someone here now there would be 300 people that would get on the thread and say, "that's insane" "no one needs that much" "you'll die doing that" "OMG slim shady have you lost your mind".
The pro-type cycles and contest preps don't fly here anymore because there was a shift in the board from hard core weight trainers and competitors to guys who just want to impress the bitches. As soon as they heard "you only need 500mg/wk" and the rest is training and diet they all rallied behind that, like they knew what they were talking about. As more newbies came and felt relieved that they didn't have to use high doses to impress the bitches it became "the right way" to cycle.
The thing about the pros, not the top pros, that cycle a gram +/- is that they do that ALL YEAR and then bump it up a little 12 weeks out.

Let me clarify something though. There is nothing wrong with the way the board has evolved and I am not an old schooler who thinks steroids are only for those who compete. Steroids make you look better and feel better and if you want to use them to get laid go for it. If you want to use them for a better quality of life, do it. But understand that you're greatly restricted in taking a casual approach as to the size you'll ever gain. You will never look like the pros if you don't live their life, like Dugdale told Detroit.

 

[LVTitan]

excellent post ulter. "gotta spread karma before bowing down to ulter again"