Fist cycle test e & dbol

[M5_abe]

Ok here it goes i would honestly like some input please and thank you.

I am 22 years old have been training hardcore for the past 2 years and 4 all in total but 2 years of real training, my nutrition is up top>
I am 6 feet tall 215 pounds i am a real strong athlete, bench 365x4 squat 500 in reps< just trying to give u a brief summary about me lol, for the past 5 months i have been at the same weight and and never going up 1 pound i have anywhere from 4500 to 5000 cals a day, i have 8 meals a day with and take protein and a multi vitamin, so im think i reached my Plato, i think that was the call it,

to make a long story short i am training with a professional bodybuilder who was competing in the 1989 to 1992 Mr.olympia and he is guiding me to start my cycle.

For my cycle he suggested me to go on test E and dbol for a first timer
12 weeks of test E start with 1cc then work my way up to 4cc ( split the shots in 2 portions per week)
12 weeks of d-bol start of with 2 10mg pills and work my way up to 5 10mg pills (a day.)
He also told me to take nova 2 weeks after my first shot, 1.5mg a day until my cycle is done in order to prevent any sensitive nipples ects.
after my last shot a couple days later i should take HGC..


Please guys give me your input and tell me what you think.

 

[Goldprospector]

Sounds to me like the olympian does not know shit

 

[M5_abe]

please let me know why?
is it because of the nova during my cycle??? If so he said most people would get sensitive nipples or bitch tits during the cycle and once you get them your a stuck.

 

[EZ_E]

It's because nobody in their right mind would recommend a gram of test a week for a 1st timer or 12 weeks of d-bol for anyone...


~EZ

 

[M5_abe]

Humm then can you guys please give me a good example on how to run this stuff before starting.
What is the proper way to run this stuff.

 

[EZ_E]

At 22 I bet you've reached a plateau because you're training routine has been the same for too long, meaning you're hitting the same BP on the same day and doing the same workout for far too long....the body's 1st instinct is to survive so it will adapt quickly to anything...

A standard 1st cycle of test is usually something like this:

Week 1-10 500mgs (2 shots per week)
MAYBE a d-bol kicker @ the beginning....

However I'd recommend training naturally for a few more years before AAS...

~EZ

 

[M5_abe]

dose thin look like a better cycle???
Weeks 1-12 Test Enanth 250mg every mon/thur so 500mg total a week.
Weeks 1-4 dbol 40mg day
now for the nolva, should i take it during my cycle or after 2 weeks of m last shot and how sould i take it?
as i am going to run HGC a couple days after my last shot of test E.
dose this should good?
btw i bought 200 pills of dbol is that enough for my cycle?

 

[joe d]

week 1-8 20mg dbol ed
week 1-10 .5mg adex eod
week 9-12 50mg clomid ed
week 1-12 3 caps unleashed ed

that covers the cycle

 

[M5_abe]

OK here is a brief summary of what i eat everyday nothing changes.
8:30= half a litter of egg whites with 2 packs of oatmeal.
10:00= protein shake with my multi V's
11:30= 1 whole chicken with 30g of almonds
2:00= 2 can of light flaked tuna with 1 cup of brown rice and a banana after that
3:30= protein shake
5:00= 1 pound of lean stake on the bbq im
8:00= cereal lol
10:00= protein shake then go to sleep.

I think my what i eat is pretty impressive most people don't eat a quarter of what i do a day, my family thinks insane lol..
BUt back to Mr.Joe D i didn't get what you typed i got confused please help further thanks alot.

 

[EZ_E]

dose thin look like a better cycle???
Weeks 1-12 Test Enanth 250mg every mon/thur so 500mg total a week.
Weeks 1-4 dbol 40mg day
now for the nolva, should i take it during my cycle or after 2 weeks of m last shot and how sould i take it?
as i am going to run HGC a couple days after my last shot of test E.
dose this should good?
btw i bought 200 pills of dbol is that enough for my cycle?

This is a pretty standard cycle for a 1st timer, provided you take my previous post into consideration...

If the d-bol is 10 mg's/pill and you take 40 mg's/day then that's 4 pills. 4 x 28 = 112....c'mon bro, simple math here...

You can take the novla and throw it in the toilet with the rest of the shit...

Get som HCGenerate, take 5/day for the last 4-5 weeks...after that use:

Unleashed
Post Cycle
Sustain Alpha

needtobuildmuscle.com


~EZ

 

[M5_abe]

eZ_e i thank you for all your help, i just want to ask a few more questionWeek
1 to 8= 30mg of dbol
Week 1-12= 500mgs of test a day split in to 2
Week 1 to 12 3 taps of unleashed ed
I am sure i need nolva how should i take it and when
how should i take the HGC and when

 

[wootoom]

A first cycle....1cc work your way up to 4cc......guy should be punched in the face for that kind of info....

 

[M5_abe]

i know he sounded iffy to me man, but what to u think of my plan the one above u.

 

[d_rson]

Stop. You need to research fr yourself, now. Stop taking anyone's advice right now, DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH, and then come back here with a plan and we can help. The problem here is that you don't know enough for yourself to be able to run an effective cycle and understand what might happen, what might need to be done, etc. You are relying on eveyone else guiding you.

Research what an aromatase inhibitor is. Research what an effective PCT is - See official PCT of 2010 for good guidance, and reseach HCGenereate, Unleased, Post Cycle, etc.

Once you're done, come back and post a good simply Test E plan, and get some advice.

 

[deestar]

OK here is a brief summary of what i eat everyday nothing changes.
8:30= half a litter of egg whites with 2 packs of oatmeal.
10:00= protein shake with my multi V's
11:30= 1 whole chicken with 30g of almonds
2:00= 2 can of light flaked tuna with 1 cup of brown rice and a banana after that
3:30= protein shake
5:00= 1 pound of lean stake on the bbq im
8:00= cereal lol
10:00= protein shake then go to sleep.

I think my what i eat is pretty impressive most people don't eat a quarter of what i do a day, my family thinks insane lol..
BUt back to Mr.Joe D i didn't get what you typed i got confused please help further thanks alot.

Seriously? Half a liter of egg whites? A whole chicken? You are nuts. More is not always better. It's good that you have some balance in there (a few healthy fats), but this needs a lot of work.

Start by calculating - not guessing - your maintenance caloric expenditure (Google Katch McArdle for a good formula). Solicit some opinions on a good macronutrient breakdown (percentages - 40/35/25, etc - something like that). From there you can divvy those numbers up into portions that are reasonable for a meal.

Stick with whole, unprocessed foods. No packaged oatmeal. Prepare your own chicken. Weigh things. Spend some time getting it right now and it will be much easier down the road.

Best of luck to you - we're here to help.

D

 

[M5_abe]

I pretty much figured out how i am going to run my cycle, i have been doing crazy amounts of ready and research for a while now and they reason why i posed here is because i found out what people online and the bodybuilder that told me this info are completely different so that why i come here for help.
i am running my cycle like thisPlan
Week 1-8
Dbol 20mg/ed

Week 1-10
500mg Test E 250mgs monday 250mgs tuesday

PCT:
Week 12
60mg Nolva/ed

Week 13-14
40mg Nolva/ed

Week 15
20mg Nolva/ed

Week 16
10mg Nolva/ed

would i still need unleashed with my cycle
and how should i be taking the HGC?
this is my final question.

 

[d_rson]

Where's your AI? 8 weeks of dbol? Nolva only PCT?

I still stand by what I said above. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm trying to empower you so that you have a good cycle.

 

[M5_abe]

Where's your AI? 8 weeks of dbol? Nolva only PCT?

I still stand by what I said above. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm trying to empower you so that you have a good cycle.

D-rson please show me a a example on how you would take it if you where on this cycle and i appreciate everything you guys are doing for me i thank you alot and im not going to start thy cycle until i have everything on track i am starting to plan this, before any mistakes i want to go in strong.
btw is http://www.primordialperformance.com/store/Sustain_Alpha-libido-booster.html the same as AI?

 

[d_rson]

D-rson please show me a a example on how you would take it if you where on this cycle and i appreciate everything you guys are doing for me i thank you alot and im not going to start thy cycle until i have everything on track i am starting to plan this, before any mistakes i want to go in strong.

Excellent response.

Personally, I would only run Test for your first time so you can learn what test does to do , when the sides take effect etc. Stacking in dbol just makes it impossible to tell what is causing the sides. But atleast do not run it for 8 weeks, so you can see what the tst does when it kicks in in week 5.

W 1 - 10 500mg Test E, 250 twice a week
W 1 - 4 20mg dbol ED
W 3 - 9 500iu HCG, 250iu twice a week
W 10 2000iu HCG, 500iu four times that week
W 11 - 12 12.5mg Aromasin ED
W 12 - 15 Sustain Alpha
W 12 - 15 Unleashed

Have Aromasin on hand for AI. You probably will need it at some point. When needed you can start at 12.5mg EOD and go from there. I need 12.5mg ED for anthing over 400mg /w but everyone is different. Run liver support during dbol and atleast 4 weeks after.

Diet and training in check?

 

[joe d]

OK here is a brief summary of what i eat everyday nothing changes.
8:30= half a litter of egg whites with 2 packs of oatmeal. and a bananna
10:00= protein shake with my multi V's add mixed berries to the shake
11:30= 1 whole chicken with 30g of almonds add broccoli
2:00= 2 can of light flaked tuna with 1 cup of brown rice and a banana after that drop the banana and add an apple
3:30= protein shake with mixed berries
5:00= 1 pound of lean stake on the bbq im
8:00= cereal lol chicken, sweat potato, and mxed veggies (broccoli, coliflour, carrots, peppers ect)
10:00= protein shake then go to sleep. add a few whole eggs and some spinach

I think my what i eat is pretty impressive most people don't eat a quarter of what i do a day, my family thinks insane lol..
BUt back to Mr.Joe D i didn't get what you typed i got confused please help further thanks alot.

also make those shakes in milk. then you will be fine. you need the fruits and veggies just as much as the protein and carbs. its all part of the equasion.

if you eat this diet along side a 8 week 20mg dbol cycle you will grow great and recovery will be a brease.

 

[M5_abe]

wow you guys are the best.
so i don't need nolva the unleashed would do the job best, i would buy it now but its out of stock when would the have it in?
the also sell a post cycle pack with the unleashed would i need the post cycle pack?

 

[d_rson]

Adding post cycle will not be bad at all. Better to have more in your PCT then not enough.

Also, the Aromasin replaces the nolva in theory. Read up on Aromasin.

 

[M5_abe]

damm tehy dont have it in stock when do you think it would be in and is there another place to by it from?

 

[d_rson]

damm tehy dont have it in stock when do you think it would be in and is there another place to by it from?

PM Needto. Protein Factory has it in stock (where it comes from), but it's cheaper through Needto.

 

[daveyboy2345]

1 cc of test c or e every 5 days for a total of 14 shots (10 week cycle)
1/4 mg of arimadex daily
pct weeks 10-14

 

[stevesmi]

I would do a blood test first. you are already very strong at 22 so I dont see why you want to open up a can of worms so painfully early. i bet your test levels are strong. why take steroids when your levels are strong as it is?

i would add supps instead to get you over the edge and like what was said earlier. up your protein, look into natural and NON suppressive supplements.. the last thing you want to do is start messing around with your hormones. ask the other guy who started juicing young and now has a 230 test level on here and probably has to juice for the rest of his life now.

change up your workouts if you are not satisfied and stuck in the same place.

down the line when your levels start dropping then you can worry about steroids.. i waited till 29 to do it. no regrets at all.

again this is just my opinion but thats what i would do if i were you. once you get in your late 20's you can start worrying about juicing once your levels start dropping.

 

[Goldprospector]

I waited until age 38. I wanted to try AAS earlier...but I did not feel like I needed it, especially at age 22.
It is kind of sad seeing people want to try AAS so young...but I guess it has been going on a long time now.

 

[glennds]

boy times have changed. a 22 year old thinks nothign of cycling these days. ya i know i am old (48) but noone talked about steroids or cycling when i was that age.

what 22 year old has enough cash to support a 1 gram/week cycle, not to mention the dbol anyhow? all the while being trained by an ex mr olympian. you gotta rich daddy? maybe a sugar daddy.

that is a cycle for an experienced juicer who has done soome trial and error. m5 you ought to print out this thread and reread it in a couple years after you have some steroid experience under your belt.

 

[eClenbuterol]

Crazy stuff right here

 

[M5_abe]

boy times have changed. a 22 year old thinks nothign of cycling these days. ya i know i am old (48) but noone talked about steroids or cycling when i was that age.

what 22 year old has enough cash to support a 1 gram/week cycle, not to mention the dbol anyhow? all the while being trained by an ex mr olympian. you gotta rich daddy? maybe a sugar daddy.

that is a cycle for an experienced juicer who has done soome trial and error. m5 you ought to print out this thread and reread it in a couple years after you have some steroid experience under your belt.

well i guess times have changed, everyone has there own theory

 

[stevesmi]

boy times have changed. a 22 year old thinks nothign of cycling these days. ya i know i am old (48) but noone talked about steroids or cycling when i was that age.

what 22 year old has enough cash to support a 1 gram/week cycle, not to mention the dbol anyhow? all the while being trained by an ex mr olympian. you gotta rich daddy? maybe a sugar daddy.

that is a cycle for an experienced juicer who has done soome trial and error. m5 you ought to print out this thread and reread it in a couple years after you have some steroid experience under your belt.

i had the money at 19 cuz i started my own company at 18, but i still chose to wait till i was 29 and really glad i did

 

[M5_abe]

d_rson i just ordered the unleashed and the post cycle, how suggest to take them during the cycle and how many pills for how long?
btw i have the nolva so you think i wouldn't need it at all>?

 

[M5_abe]

i had the money at 19 cuz i started my own company at 18, but i still chose to wait till i was 29 and really glad i did

again i say everyone has different goal, im not going on this cycle to walk around in the streets and just look big, i have plans and want to compete i have awesome genetics and im not going to be lazy about it and let my self go, i am planning on competing and going to big one day, i will post pics of my progress and i am going on, people think i am on juice right now when i am not, i have a solid build.

 

[downunder hunter]

d_rson i just ordered the unleashed and the post cycle, how suggest to take them during the cycle and how many pills for how long?
btw i have the nolva so you think i wouldn't need it at all>?

Since you already have the nolva bro run it in your pct you will need it or aromasin, otc supps wont cut it by themselves imo but they certainly have a place in your PCT i used Unleashed, HCGenerate and Sustain in my last PCT with nolva and recovery was great

But your still not listening to d_rson research for yourself bro!! Your still asking questions and relying on others. Work it out for yourself. Not everyone that gives you advice here knows what their on about either but are still happy to give you so called guidance regardless! Drugprofiles.com is a great website to get you started on your research mate

 

[M5_abe]

Since you already have the nolva bro run it in your pct you will need it or aromasin, otc supps wont cut it by themselves imo but they certainly have a place in your PCT, i used unleashed, hcgenerate and sustain in my last pct with nolva and recovery was great!

thats exactly what i am going to run, how did u run urs?
and how much unleashed and nolva did u take and when?
i jut like to see what most people did to get a good idea.

 

[downunder hunter]

thats exactly what i am going to run, how did u run urs?
and how much unleashed and nolva did u take and when?
i jut like to see what most people did to get a good idea.

I edited my post bro have a look ^^^^^^

 

[M5_abe]

I edited my post bro have a look ^^^^^^

i kno what you mean, but if i don't post here and ask some question how am i supposed to educate my self?
it would be great if u can give me a example on how you ran you stuff.

 

[downunder hunter]

oh man, reserach and understand about SERMS, AI'S, TESTOSTERONE, HCG etc. drugprofiles.com is great for this, I still go on their and spend hours reading. Read the sticky taking steroids 101!!!!!, official pct of 2010 and then you will know yourself what you need! You educate yourself by studying articles written by experts! Dont just assume anyone on here who replies knows wtf they are talking about bro!

 

[M5_abe]

downuder hunter thank you.
i will take what you said in consideration.

 

[downunder hunter]

downuder hunter thank you.
i will take what you said in consideration.

Dont mention it happy to help!

But dont consider it read those two stickys!! If you cant read them top to bottom you have no place taking steroids. period.

Grab a coffee and get to reading champ

 

[M5_abe]

BTW wat do you guys think of the DENKALL d-bols and the QV test E, i know they are real because of the QV test it says "vet vet vet" on the hologram.

 

[downunder hunter]

BTW wat do you guys think of the DENKALL d-bols and the QV test E, i know they are real because of the QV test it says "vet vet vet" on the hologram.

Prett sure your not allowed to source check bro, could be wrong... I wouldnt though, post a pic in the counterfeit steroids forum and someoner there will respond mate