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inkt79

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I've tried debol and anadrol in pill form but had little to no results... I'm concidering trying something in liquid form... I'm a 28 yr old male, 5' 11" and 165 lbs. Does anybody have any suggestions on what I should try?
 
you should try food food and more food bro. 5'11 at 165 there is plenty of room for more food.
whats your current diet look like?
 
^^^^^yea get ur diet on track...that will help a lot. you can get to 185 then do a cycle. but for a first cycle if ur tryin to bulk just do 500mg testosterone enanthate EW for 10 weeks and dbol weeks 1 - 4 to kick start it
 
hehateme000 said:
^^^^^yea get ur diet on track...that will help a lot. you can get to 185 then do a cycle. but for a first cycle if ur tryin to bulk just do 500mg testosterone enanthate EW for 10 weeks and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - weeks 1 - 4 to kick start it

you do not need that much gear for a first cycle
 
xrsist said:
you should try food food and more food bro. 5'11 at 165 there is plenty of room for more food.
whats your current diet look like?

I eat 6 to 7 times a day... start with 3 plain pancakes at 6am and a wey protein shake.... next meal at 8am is a bowl of kashi cereal with fat free milk... After that I eat about a cup lf yougurt with fruit at 10am then lunch at noon is usually a roast beef and turkey sandwich with fat free cheese on whole grain bread. Next I will have a whole grain bagel or another sandwich around 4:30pm. Dinner is usually the last time I eat for the day and what I eat varies a from a salad to hamburger helper and it's usually around 7. I am pretty thin overall but I do have some belly fat that I want to lose as I bulk up which is why I'm eating so little fat! Thanks for your reply!
 
inkt79 said:
I eat 6 to 7 times a day... start with 3 plain pancakes at 6am and a wey protein shake.... next meal at 8am is a bowl of kashi cereal with fat free milk... After that I eat about a cup lf yougurt with fruit at 10am then lunch at noon is usually a roast beef and turkey sandwich with fat free cheese on whole grain bread. Next I will have a whole grain bagel or another sandwich around 4:30pm. Dinner is usually the last time I eat for the day and what I eat varies a from a salad to hamburger helper and it's usually around 7. I am pretty thin overall but I do have some belly fat that I want to lose as I bulk up which is why I'm eating so little fat! Thanks for your reply!

your diet sounds like it is for an endurance athlete--too many carbs not enough protein--and maybe not enough fat

if you are not lifting like a madman already, and given your diet, i think you are a couple of years away from considering a cycle---imho
 
inkt79 said:
I eat 6 to 7 times a day... start with 3 plain pancakes at 6am and a wey protein shake.... next meal at 8am is a bowl of kashi cereal with fat free milk... After that I eat about a cup lf yougurt with fruit at 10am then lunch at noon is usually a roast beef and turkey sandwich with fat free cheese on whole grain bread. Next I will have a whole grain bagel or another sandwich around 4:30pm. Dinner is usually the last time I eat for the day and what I eat varies a from a salad to hamburger helper and it's usually around 7. I am pretty thin overall but I do have some belly fat that I want to lose as I bulk up which is why I'm eating so little fat! Thanks for your reply!

drop the pankakes and have eggs for bfast, drop the cereal and eat oatmeal with protein powder. drink a protein shake before bed. just remember what ever you eat make sure it has a reasonably high amount of protein in it and no carbs before bed.

hows your training program?
 
xrsist said:
you do not need that much gear for a first cycle


A lot of people did that for their first cycle and a lot of people still do its fine imo as soon as his diet and training are in check.
 
hehateme000 said:
A lot of people did that for their first cycle and a lot of people still do its fine imo as soon as his diet and training are in check.

if his diet and training were in check and i mean seriously in check not some half assed attempt like you would employ, you do not need that much gear. 250mg a week of test puts 4-5x more testosterone in you body than it produces, so if you cant grow with that much more test in your system something is wrong or it could be that he may want the tough guy approach to aas like you employ.

if thats your first cycle, what have your other cycles looked like?
 
hehateme000 said:
A lot of people did that for their first cycle and a lot of people still do its fine imo as soon as his diet and training are in check.

He may be fine doing it but he doesnt even know how he reacts to test so its better to do one at a time for the first so he can identify the problem right away.............imo He could make gains off of 250mg of test if he has a proper diet. :)
 
hehateme000 said:
A lot of people did that for their first cycle and a lot of people still do its fine imo as soon as his diet and training are in check.

you asked before why your karma was in the red--this is why. i gave you some green, but don't blow it with bad advice. :)
 
yea 250 is not bad either....hes already 28 once his diet is in check and he gets to 185-190 naturally i would run more than 250 imo...everyone is different and for your first cycle you should stick with one compound but at a dose where you will see more gains and the same sides. maybe not the dbol for this round :/
 
hehateme000 said:
yea 250 is not bad either....hes already 28 once his diet is in check and he gets to 185-190 naturally i would run more than 250 imo...everyone is different and for your first cycle you should stick with one compound but at a dose where you will see more gains and the same sides. maybe not the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for this round :/

your starting to sound like someone else who used to post here..
you didnt answer my question? if 500mg of test and dbol was your first cycle then what have your other cycle looked like?
 
eddymerckx said:
you asked before why your karma was in the red--this is why. i gave you some green, but don't blow it with bad advice. :)

haha yea...well we dont need to blow it out of proportion. its not "bad" advice its just my opinion no one can really have true advice since you dont know how people will ever react. some people have made very good gains off 500mg test e EW for 10 weeks.
 
xrsist said:
your starting to sound like someone else who used to post here..
you didnt answer my question? if 500mg of test and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - was your first cycle then what have your other cycle looked like?


i dont remember saying that was my first cycle
 
xrsist said:
if his diet and training were in check and i mean seriously in check not some half assed attempt like you would employ, you do not need that much gear. 250mg a week of test puts 4-5x more testosterone in you body than it produces, so if you cant grow with that much more test in your system something is wrong or it could be that he may want the tough guy approach to anabolic androgenic steroids like you employ.

if thats your first cycle, what have your other cycles looked like?

Hey. I'm considering a first cycle sometime next year, my stats are close to the O.P's. 28 years old, 5' 11" 200 lbs tho and have my diet seriously in place for quite sometime.

You think 250mg of Test E a week for 10 weeks would be good for a nice boost with less sides? Hcg is a bit hard for me to get as my source doesn't carry it. I basically want to recover and have no testicular shrinkage. What do you think? Sorry to hi-jack it's not worth a new thread. Thanks :)
 
hehateme000 said:
haha yea...well we dont need to blow it out of proportion. its not "bad" advice its just my opinion no one can really have true advice since you dont know how people will ever react. some people have made very good gains off 500mg testosterone enanthate EW for 10 weeks.


yes, it is bad advice: if he has a bad reaction to the test e, it is both a long ester and a high dose so the bad reaction will linger for a long time.

which is why you start low--and even better with sustenon so the long ester is minimal and the majority is metabolized fast
 
im recommending something good for him. it wouldnt matter if i had done it or not people react differently. im just saying if ur gonna do one compund make it 500 IMO after reading on here but fuck i might as well quit while im ahead so i dont lose some karma u win bro jus do 250mg INK
 
eddymerckx said:
yes, it is bad advice: if he has a bad reaction to the testosterone enanthate, it is both a long ester and a high dose so the bad reaction will linger for a long time.

which is why you start low--and even better with sustenon so the long ester is minimal and the majority is metabolized fast

hes 28 what side effect is going to be SO bad doing 500mg instead of 250 that he wouldnt be able to deal with for a couple of weeks????
 
hehateme000 said:
im recommending something good for him. it wouldnt matter if i had done it or not people react differently. im just saying if ur gonna do one compund make it 500 IMO after reading on here but fuck i might as well quit while im ahead so i dont lose some karma u win bro jus do 250mg INK

how do you know if its good for him if youve never ran it before?

you should have quit while you were ahead 80 odd post ago

please discontinue giving advise when you have no idea what your talking about.
 
xrsist said:
how do you know if its good for him if youve never ran it before?

you should have quit while you were ahead 80 odd post ago

please discontinue giving advise when you have no idea what your talking about.


Alright why do people have to flame people so much on this board COME ON!! why should i have quit 80 odd post ago? how are my other posts bad? Why are you so ignorant? :chomp:
 
hehateme000 said:
hes 28 what side effect is going to be SO bad doing 500mg instead of 250 that he wouldnt be able to deal with for a couple of weeks????


if you have to ask that question you have no business giving advice to anyone and obvioulsy have not done any gear or you would know
 
eddymerckx said:
if you have to ask that question you have no business giving advice to anyone and obvioulsy have not done any gear or you would know


well id like to know im hear to learn ill stop givin my opinions and ill jus read its whatever but what is gonna be so bad i want to know
 
hehateme000 said:
Alright why do people have to flame people so much on this board COME ON!! why should i have quit 80 odd post ago? how are my other posts bad? Why are you so ignorant? :chomp:

i notice you havent answered my last question once again but i will happily answer your questions..

q1. because you have no idea what your talking about
q2. because you have no idea what your talking about
q3. im not ignorant i just cant sit here and let you dish out advise to a guy when you dont know what your talking about
 
okay i dont want to get banned idk what i did so bad i jus suggested 500mg EW seriously its a board where people come for advice and peoples opinions he doesnt have to listen to me and i do have an idea what im talking about
 
Nuff said

Brad.
 
It's silly to try and gain weight with steroids that you won't hold because you didn't gain enough weight without steroids. Follow that? If you eat more you'll gain. Whenever anybody claims otherwise they're full of shit. You must eat MORE. That'll give you 10 pounds. Now, add some BIG BLAST. That's another 10 pounds in 2 months. Okay, now you're 185 and the body is in an anabolic state. Lift heavy and solidify that weight. Learn more techniques to get the muscles to grow. Maybe you'll gain another 5 pounds. Then you'll be 190. Then you can ask that question again.
 
well said nelson.

i apologize to the board if any of my actions were out of line, but imo you cannot have newbies recommending 500mg and dbol first cycle when they havent ran a first cycle them selfs.

cheers boys
 
xrsist said:
well said nelson.

i apologize to the board if any of my actions were out of line, but imo you cannot have newbies recommending 500mg and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - first cycle when they havent ran a first cycle them selfs.

cheers boys

i don't think you were out of line at all--i have come to realize that so many more people read these threads than actually post, so advice needs to be based on actual hard knowledge or that gained by years of use. k to you
 
im running 500mg test e EW ill let everyone know how i respond and how good my gains are
 
eddymerckx said:
i don't think you were out of line at all--i have come to realize that so many more people read these threads than actually post, so advice needs to be based on actual hard knowledge or that gained by years of use. k to you


Thats right its great to ask Q's about anything but only give advice about things you've used or are using because some one can be hurt through ban advice maybe not directle but indirecly through reading a bad post .

Brad.
 
hesnobradpitt said:
Thats right its great to ask Q's about anything but only give advice about things you've used or are using because some one can be hurt through ban advice maybe not directle but indirecly through reading a bad post .

Brad.


i just looked doen before :170 members, 700 guests viewings--what we say cab have an impact well beyond the one guy we are talking to ---that said, i have used amost eveything except dnp---butt ireserve the right to call the stuff death in a bottle. :)
 
i say he needs to do 1 g of test a week, with some halo, deca, dbol and some meth. or maybe some coke. LOL :D
 
xrsist said:
drop the pankakes and have eggs for bfast, drop the cereal and eat oatmeal with protein powder. drink a protein shake before bed. just remember what ever you eat make sure it has a reasonably high amount of protein in it and no carbs before bed.

hows your training program?


exactly, how big do you want to get? if you want to grow, you need to consume at least 1.5 - 2 grams of protein per day. which to get to 200 lbs, would be 350 - 400 g per day. that's a lot of food and protein shakes. don't for the carbs, they're seriously needed for bulking, and of course the fats are needed to. your diet is waaaay to lean, and if your training the way you eat, you'll probably maintain where you're at. heavy weight + lots of food(protein)= mass. also - check out nutritiondata.com, it'll tell you the total carbs, fat, protein, and calories in the food you currently eat. to check and see where you stand with your diet, make a log, for 3 days write down everything you eat, and be honest. then go to that site and calculate the calories and it'll give you the big picture. i think you'll be surprised at what you're really taking in and how much it takes to grow. just my 2 bro, hope this helps.
 
hehateme000 said:
im recommending something good for him. it wouldnt matter if i had done it or not people react differently. im just saying if ur gonna do one compund make it 500 IMO after reading on here but fuck i might as well quit while im ahead so i dont lose some karma u win bro jus do 250mg INK


I agree with the others. Too high of a dose for a first time user. If your first time you diet and train correctly there is no reason you can't put on 20lbs from 250mg of test. In fact not many people need more than that to gain weight. People do react differently to different compounds. The rule of thumb is to always start off slow so you can monitor your body and side effects. Bump it up only when you are at a sticking point in cycles. If you are gaining good from 250mg a week of test there is no reason to bump it up. You are wasting gear. If you keep making decent gains why take more gear? He isn't a professional body builder. A regular joe trying to get into better shape. He shouldn't take steroids at all and fix his diet. I really don't think that he's eating all that every day. Everyone always claims they eat so much. Many of my friends did until they actually hung out with me for a week and trained with me at my house. Needless to say all the skinny guys that ate soo freakin much throughout the day were barely putting in 2000 calories a day from what they were eating. And thought I was crazy for eating 10 small meals a day, although I was eating 5000+ calories a day. Another thing I think you are doing wrong is trying to cut and bulk. Might as well give up now it'll take forever. If you are serious about bulking, then do it right. Don't try to cut up while gaining weight. Get big, get fat if you have to.......then cut down.
 
inkt79 said:
I've tried debol and anadrol in pill form but had little to no results... I'm concidering trying something in liquid form... I'm a 28 yr old male, 5' 11" and 165 lbs. Does anybody have any suggestions on what I should try?
If you did a first cycle of Dianabol, and anadrol and didnt get any results than it's 1 of two thigs, or two of two things..
1) The shit was Fake !
2) You have no idea what you are doing/you have to eat correctly #1, And lift correctly #2....if you just wake up like you scored some MAGIC beans from JACK (Jack & the bean stawk) You'll never get anywere at all !
________________________________________________________________
Don't take this Wrong but i swear i have never seen so mant Crazy Post before Bro's, What the hell is going on around here!
 
xrsist said:
i notice you havent answered my last question once again but i will happily answer your questions..

q1. because you have no idea what your talking about
q2. because you have no idea what your talking about
q3. im not ignorant i just cant sit here and let you dish out advise to a guy when you dont know what your talking about
Xrsist i swear you are one of the Coolest BRO's on this board..you speak the truth, your not Recklace, and you give good sound advice that you have personal Knowlage of ! I dont understand what is happening to this board over the last month...It's like sombody gave EF access to a bunch of Hormone raging TEENAGERS ! (HEY what does this pill do...Let me try one )
 
shut down your HPTA for WHAT????? why would you take 250 when 200 is the HRT dose. Didnt dave palumbo say do 100mg EQ EOD for a first cycle??? 500 is a reasonable amount that will get u great gains with the same sides as 250. HOnestly what did all u guys run as ur first cycle?? i know a lot of people did more than 250
 
hehateme000 said:
shut down your hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - for WHAT????? why would you take 250 when 200 is the HRT dose. Didnt dave palumbo say do 100mg Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - EOD for a first cycle??? 500 is a reasonable amount that will get u great gains with the same sides as 250. HOnestly what did all u guys run as ur first cycle?? i know a lot of people did more than 250
I don't know were you got your HRT info, but usally 100mg is HRT bro !

Here is another thread were this was disscussed ... REMEMBER THIS ?LOL
Re: ?'s about Cycle

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Originally Posted by hehateme000
250 is close for poeple on HRT, so you wont see as many gains. 500mg EW twice a week (MON/Thur) will give you A LOT greater gains with barely any sides comopared to 250mg EW, but i cant be certain for the side effwects because evryone is different, but make sure your DIET and TRAINING are on and get enough sleep. thats where youll see gains



( XRSIST)-generally a hrt dose is 100mg. i guess your one of these more is better heros when really your diet and training is half arsed.

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hehateme000 said:
shut down your hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - for WHAT????? why would you take 250 when 200 is the HRT dose. Didnt dave palumbo say do 100mg Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - EOD for a first cycle??? 500 is a reasonable amount that will get u great gains with the same sides as 250. HOnestly what did all u guys run as ur first cycle?? i know a lot of people did more than 250

^ and how do you know this?
 
Thanks to all of you for your suggestions and advice! After reading every single comment I think I'm going to start by changing my diet with a less "lean" approach and maybe making some changes to my workout routine as well... All the information I have, so far, I've aquired on my own. It's very helpful to get advice from people who actually know what they're talking about!
 
hehateme000 said:
^^^^^yea get ur diet on track...that will help a lot. you can get to 185 then do a cycle. but for a first cycle if ur tryin to bulk just do 500mg testosterone enanthate EW for 10 weeks and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - weeks 1 - 4 to kick start it
You just said that 500mg ew test was not a good cycle,and who ever says to do that is giving out bad advice. Why are you giving out bad advice now. Not just 500 ew now you are saying to use even more. You better start explaining dumb ass I am going to be all over you. I could just band your ass but I find it more fun making you look like a dumb ass. :)
 
chris69 said:
Xrsist i swear you are one of the Coolest BRO's on this board..you speak the truth, your not Recklace, and you give good sound advice that you have personal Knowlage of ! I dont understand what is happening to this board over the last month...It's like sombody gave EF access to a bunch of Hormone raging TEENAGERS ! (HEY what does this pill do...Let me try one )
Your right on both counts he is and there is .

Your doing a great job NTG

Brad
 
needtogetaas said:
You just said that 500mg ew test was not a good cycle,and who ever says to do that is giving out bad advice. Why are you giving out bad advice now. Not just 500 ew now you are saying to use even more. You better start explaining dumb ass I am going to be all over you. I could just band your ass but I find it more fun making you look like a dumb ass. :)
NDT- Ask this Kid to kindly read and research & not reply ! I cant take reading anymore of his post..this is all Stupid !
If People (not even worth calling BRO)want to join a chat room to talk about Bullshit and flex there FAKE ASS E-Muscles, go to myspace ! Get the fuck off this site..were not Playin here !
 
needtogetaas said:
You just said that 500mg ew test was not a good cycle,and who ever says to do that is giving out bad advice. Why are you giving out bad advice now. Not just 500 ew now you are saying to use even more. You better start explaining dumb ass I am going to be all over you. I could just band your ass but I find it more fun making you look like a dumb ass. :)

hey needto, you sound sorta sexy when you get mad, hell....if i was gay, i might just want to fuck you! LOL j/k bro j/k :D
 
this guy is really pissing people off needto.......seriously...do we want another one like the last one, especially popping off at my boy x, i might have to e-hurt someone....check your pms needto.
 
LET ME EXPLAIN needto i said 500mg EW and dbol cuz he said he already tried dbol then i thuoght wait stick to one compund at a time first. so i said just 500mg and then people said u dont need that much and i said its fine and ull make better gains. i said it was a bad cycle for syringe because people said that 500mg EW for this guy was too much and its FIRST CYCLE for both of them. So after reading what people said on this thread i replied on syringes thread and saw that it was his first cycle and he wanted to do 500mg EW!!!!!! so i wanted to let him know that thats not neccessary and that 250 is sufficient. I said it was bad advice because they told me it was bad advice. I dont see how different circumstances change for syringe because u guys PM'd.....the only thing i can think of is that he wants to go into bodybuiding,but stil why would that allow for him to do 500 and not 250? shouldnt he see how he reacts to it no matter what????
 
hehateme000 said:
LET ME EXPLAIN needto i said 500mg EW and Dianabol - methandrostenolone - cuz he said he already tried Dianabol - methandrostenolone - then i thuoght wait stick to one compund at a time first. so i said just 500mg and then people said u dont need that much and i said its fine and ull make better gains. i said it was a bad cycle for syringe because people said that 500mg EW for this guy was too much and its FIRST CYCLE for both of them. So after reading what people said on this thread i replied on syringes thread and saw that it was his first cycle and he wanted to do 500mg EW!!!!!! so i wanted to let him know that thats not neccessary and that 250 is sufficient. I said it was bad advice because they told me it was bad advice. I dont see how different circumstances change for syringe because u guys PM'd.....the only thing i can think of is that he wants to go into bodybuiding,but stil why would that allow for him to do 500 and not 250? shouldnt he see how he reacts to it no matter what????

different cicumstances are just that and has nothing to do with going into bodybuilding--someone could already be on hrt and want to do a cycle; they could have some physical issues that require a stronger dose (eg any sort of wasting disease), they could have pituatary issues, recovering from chemo, already infertile, trying to recover from a severe injury, lh issues, and i could go on and on---that is the point Needto had private pms with the guy and gave advice based on that--so you are in no position to question it--let it stay private.
 
alright now i understand....can someone plz tell me why needto says 250mg is a HRT does and xrcist and others say 100mg is a HRT dose? im confused about that
 
hehateme000 said:
alright now i understand....can someone plz tell me why needto says 250mg is a HRT does and xrcist and others say 100mg is a HRT dose? im confused about that

before you get banned, go to the ef store buy George Spellwin's Chemical Wizardry , Nelson's The Bodybuilding Truth , and Chemical Muscle Enhancement

read, learn, understand, then come back and chat.
 
ive seen way more stupid questions on here than the one i just asked. why would i get banned i want to know who is right! because they are both very well educated in steroids
 
hehateme000 said:
ive seen way more stupid questions on here than the one i just asked. why would i get banned i want to know who is right! because they are both very well educated in steroids
This is what you should do. Learn some more, Stick around, Make some friends Read a few books,Take a few cycles. Then start giving out advice and telling others there advice is no good.

You seem like I good guy. You seem like you want to help out and get involved with the board. Thats great but take it easy, take your time. If you are going to flip flop people are going to call you on it. Hell if you come out of no where giving advice people are going to call you on it. If you felt strongly about the advice you were giving you would not have changed it so fast.

I am sorry I came at you so hard. Most every one on this site knows I am not like that 95% of the time. We all have bad days. You just happen to be pissing me off on a bad day.

I am glad you and I got a chance to talk in pm's. I understand you more now.
Stick around bro get involved with the board go plat even. Just learn some more and be ready to back up what ever you say If your going to call people on what they say. :)
 
needtogetaas said:
This is what you should do. Learn some more, Stick around, Make some friends Read a few books,Take a few cycles. Then start giving out advice and telling others there advice is no good.

You seem like I good guy. You seem like you want to help out and get involved with the board. Thats great but take it easy, take your time. If you are going to flip flop people are going to call you on it. Hell if you come out of no where giving advice people are going to call you on it. If you felt strongly about the advice you were giving you would not have changed it so fast.

I am sorry I came at you so hard. Most every one on this site knows I am not like that 95% of the time. We all have bad days. You just happen to be pissing me off on a bad day.

I am glad you and I got a chance to talk in pm's. I understand you more now.
Stick around bro get involved with the board go plat even. Just learn some more and be ready to back up what ever you say If your going to call people on what they say. :)


yea sorry for all this...and to everyone my bad i was jus tryin to give advice but ill get a couple cycles under my belt and ill read some more books and just gain as much knowledge as i can first.....
 
hehateme000 said:
yea sorry for all this...and to everyone my bad i was jus tryin to give advice but ill get a couple cycles under my belt and ill read some more books and just gain as much knowledge as i can first.....
Welcome to the group bro. I think I speak for all of us when I say. We want you here. We want you to stay on the board and gain some knowledge. We are happy in your chose as well. Stick around.
 
needtogetaas said:
Welcome to the group bro. I think I speak for all of us when I say. We want you here. We want you to stay on the board and gain some knowledge. We are happy in your chose as well. Stick around.
^^^agree
 
needtogetaas said:
Welcome to the group bro. I think I speak for all of us when I say. We want you here. We want you to stay on the board and gain some knowledge. We are happy in your chose as well. Stick around.


awww....sob....sob.......that's soo touching :D LOL
 
needtogetaas said:
Welcome to the group bro. I think I speak for all of us when I say. We want you here. We want you to stay on the board and gain some knowledge. We are happy in your chose as well. Stick around.


God damit!! Now I have to get a new keybd cause I just cried all over mine!! LMAO! j/k, welcome to the board bro. Tell you what, you can PM me or needto or any other good bro on here BEFORE you start a new thread to ask a question that has been answered a thousand times. Do your research first bro. Again, welcome to ef.

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