First time Test & Deca Question....

[Spraguezilla]

Im sure you guys get tired of these posts, so I apologize first hand, but everyone here (for the most part) seems very knowledgeable and has some experience, so this is where Ive come for my advice....

I was just looking for some advice on my first time using Test and Deca, i.e. an idea of how to begin my cycle or cycle it in general, I guess it goes without saying this will be my first cycle.
I have friends who have used it and made great gains, but I havent yet, they have told me how they "think" I should cycle, but your input would be greatly appreciated.

I am 32 years old, 5'11", 178lbs. Going to run a 10 week cycle, currently I am on a workout schedule of 2 days on 1 day rest, 2 days on 2 days rest. I assume that would change when I start my cycle.

My diet is very good (I think), Breakfast - is usually 25-30 grams of protein, 35-40 grams Carbs, 5 grams of fat. Snack - is Protein Shake 30 grams protein O.N. Gold Standard Protein. Lunch - 30-40 grams of protein, 40-50 grams of Carbs, and 7-8 grams of fat. Snack - is protein shake 30 grams protein with fruit. Dinner - is 35-40 grams of protein, 45-50 grams Carbs, 10 grams of fat.
So Im usually around 140-150 grams of protein a day....I think I will start I new shake that will give me more bang for my buck with protein, but Ive always heard good things about Gold Standard.

I read NeedTos sticky on PCT and I want to get this part correct. I was going to take HCgenerate while on, with Forma, and then switch to unleashed with Forma PCT.

Again any help and advice is greatly appreciated. Ive learned a lot just reading the posts from you guys and am excited/nervous to start. Thanks.

 

[stevesmi]

not a good idea to run deca for a first cycle. we've been over the reasons why, I suggest you research more as to the recovery problems people have experienced.

 

[Spraguezilla]

Thanks for the response Steve. That's at least some advice. Lol.

I have read and researched some of the problems with running deca and test as a first cycle, but I had also read that keeping the deca to a 2 to 1 ratio with the test would help curb the side effects associated with using the deca in my first cycle.

Maybe going with 200mgs deca and 500mgs of test?

If you don't like that idea would you just suggest I run only the test for 8-10 weeks for my first cycle? Say at around 500mgs? And still run the same PCT with unleashed and forma?
Should I keep the hcgenerate while cycling?

Just trying to get everything straight before I start. If this is the wring forum to address that, I apologize, and again thanks for the help.

 

[Arabian]

What about running a Test/dbol cycle first and see how you react to it. No sense overdoing it.

Week 1-12 Test 450 to 500
Week 1-4 Dbol 30mgs per day

You diet is going to be the main STAPLE in the success of this first cycle. Your pct looks good as does the other things. Good luck to you however you decide to go and welcome to Elite Fitness.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ take Arabian's advice

deca is a bad idea for a first cycle because of the recovery issues. when you run your first cycle you are excited and are gonna want to run a 2nd cycle ASAP!!! what a great feeling.. i remember my first cycle of sustanon and dbol and i couldn't wait to get my hands on my next cycle.

however if you run deca for a first cycle the bad news is you are looking at a good 3-4 months or more JUST to recover, so you aren't gonna be able to run a 2nd cycle for quite a while.

i would leave deca for a 3rd or 4th cycle. by then you will be over the emotional part of it.

also for PCT i suggest you check out my log that is going.. in it i list my PCT and am very specific. this is the PCT that i've used over and over again... it is a strong PCT and it works, as you learn to cycle you will figure out a PCT that is more for you, that is where experience comes in

 

[kc17]

do what this guys are advising you leave deca for the next time . if weight is what you're after you'll reach 190lbs with test and dbol if your diet is good ... ( fitday.com) your protein intake is kind of low inmo

 

[RADAR]

Nandrolones stay in your systems for months,and you "will" get a case of Deca Dick,plus if you get sides,then you won't know which one is causing it so you'll make matters worse trying to fix it not knowing which one is causing it, Now you have on your hands one crappy first cycle, i say forget the deca.

 

[Spraguezilla]

Sincerely appreciate the responses and advice. I will definitely skip the Deca this time around. Everything being said makes sense, and thats the only reason I asked as opposed just going off my friends advice who keeps stating "I'll be fine..." lol.

And as I said I have read up on Deca, but there is so many conflicting reports out there, sometimes its hard to know who to go with, but on something like this I would much rather be safe than sorry.

Not sure if I can get my hands on DBol, still working on that, but if not would you suggest running a Test-E only cycle for 10 weeks? My goal (probably like most people) is to add 15-20lbs of size, but I'd also like to keep it when my cycle is over.

KC - I certainly will up my calorie and protein intake, that was just my current diet, but I figured it would need some adjusting once I started cycling.

Steve - I'd love to read up on your PCT log. Is it in the PCT forum? I looked but was unable to find it, but maybe I just missed it.

 

[RADAR]

My first cycle was Test Enanthate 500mg week, and man it was fun, the strength increases,people eying you in the gym and i was horney like a rabbit, i couldn't help but stop in the gro store and back upp aN isle to check out this female, hell even the fat jiggly ones was starting to look good...OH MY!

 

[stevesmi]

Steve - I'd love to read up on your PCT log. Is it in the PCT forum? I looked but was unable to find it, but maybe I just missed it.

welcome to the board.. trust me when i first came on I didn't know very much about roids. i had trained naturally for a good 10 years, but trust me if you stick around you will learn the ropes very fast. a lot of smart bro's on here.

here is my log i wrote about. this PCT will work on any cycle that is within reason. you do not need to worry about cabaser unless you run tren or deca in the future.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/okay-tren-mast-test-cycle-log-743827.html

if you look at my signature there are several excellent oral steroids to choose from.. i recommend you try methadrol Xtreme which is a combination of drols and if you look around the net and on here you will see guys have really done well on it. run that as a kickstart and 500mg of test for 8 weeks... and follow my PCT i have on my log and you will be golden.

all the pct products can be bought from 2 of our sponsors.. rxhealthdrugs and rxprohub.. i've used both and they are excellent .. make sure you have everything on hand before starting your cycle.

also you should up your workouts ahead of time to 5-6X per week and really get conditioned, don't wait until your cycle to up your game. IMO

 

[Spraguezilla]

Excellent advice again from all of you guys, big thanks to you also Steve. I am going to do exactly as you suggest with the methadrol extreme. Sounds great and I am extremely excited to get going.....but I will have to wait about a month, just (as you said) to make sure I have everything, and then I will be good to go.

One last thing I would like to do, is lay out everything just to be sure I got this correct. Then we can be done with this thread, as Im sure you guys have plenty to do other than continuing to answer the first timers questions over and over.

Weeks 1-8, Test E 250 mgs Monday & Thursday (500/week)
Weeks 1-4, metha-drol Extreme (2 capsules/day)
Weeks 3-8, hcg 250 ius every 4 days (I did order hcgenerate would it be ok to use this from the start and through week 8, or just stick with the hcg as scheduled?)
-PCT-
Weeks 9-12, HMG 75 ius/day & Clomid 25 mgs/day
Week 13 till completion unleashed & anabolic matrix Rx

So thats what I got for my first cycle, if everything checks out with you guys. Appreciate the help the past few days, cant say that enough. Thanks - Joey -

 

[stevesmi]

Weeks 9-12, HMG 75 ius/day & Clomid 25 mgs/day
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everything is correct except this part.

you want to run the HCG weeks 3-8 until your last injection of test and then up the HCG for the next 2 weeks as your test esthers clear to 1000-1500iu's every 4 days. then run HMG for 2 doses only.. then start the clomid for 3-4 weeks.. then run the natty supps for another month.. then run a blood test and see where your test levels are. you should be well into your recovery phase aka your body is producing test on its own (although not fully recovered, usually it will take time on=time off + an extra month or two)

the purpose of the hcg is to keep your nuts plump to make for an easier rebound.. so it isn't necessary to start it week 1 as your nuts won't start to shrink until week 4-5 area. you can just wait until you start noticing your nuts are shrinking to start it. some guys do not run hcg cause they do not care if their nuts turn to raisins.. to each his own, but in my experience if you have plump nuts going into PCT recovery is much more smoother.. its not expensive or hard to inject so might as well use every tool in the arsenal IMO

 

[Slider25]

Hey guys, I had a similair question so I didn't want to create a new thread with my first post on the board. I've been reading a lot of negative posts about running deca first cycle. However, do those same reasons apply to someone about to start a 5th cycle, with a 5 year off period?

From my early to mid 20's, I cycled on and off with great results. I'm 32 now and the past 5 years I have continued to train regularly but without the intensity as my schooling took all my focus. My diet also suffered during that span and the majority of those gain are now gone. In the past few months, I have gradually increased my calories and protein intake in preperation and feel my body is ready. I plan on running Test 400mg/week from weeks 1-12, deca 250mg/week from weeks 1-8, and hcg weeks 8-14 Thoughts?