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first time juicer, please advise for this cycle !!!
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looks perfect to me,what are your plans for PCT???
so dbol WITH test e is great. . ? im not sure yet about the PCT, any ideas? i dont want to have any gyno i know that ! so what do you boy suggest. . . ?
woootooom, whats your thoughts about taking out the dbol? ive been working out for at least 3 years. . im just tired of the run around. . . not seeing the results like i want.. . .the best ive ever gotten with creatine and protein was 8 measly pounds. .
thanks boys.
woootooom, whats your thoughts about taking out the dbol? ive been working out for at least 3 years. . im just tired of the run around. . . not seeing the results like i want.. . .the best ive ever gotten with creatine and protein was 8 measly pounds. .
thanks boys.
8lbs is pretty respectable bro. Eat lots and train/rest. You sound like you have a pretty solid frame. I would say Test but that's me. You prob won't listen to me but just try it alone to see how you're body just reacts to the Test alone for at least 4 weeks.haz123 said:
PCT I always use Sustain Alpha from Orbit or Needtobuildmuscle has a new thing sort of like HCG I have to look into it more. I always ran HCG and Proviron while on
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DJ_UFO
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I have the perception that you are not completely educated in nutrition and excercise. If I've got the wrong impression, I apologize. But do not give that much credit to creatine and protein shakes and steroids, if before that, you haven't organized a good nutrition plan. On top of that, you need to find the right workout plan for your body. It is not the same excercises and frequency for everybody. Each one is different and it takes a few years to discover that. Nutrition and training is the key foundation. AFTER that, comes extra protein, creatine, and all the magic powders.
i said AT LEAST 3 years. . . i have been in the gym consistently for the last 3 years and before then as long as i can remember since 17. . . so of course i only know my own experiences but yea your right, my lack of education in the area of supplements and roids because i havent been bold enough to try it. . outside of the pre workout, protein shakes etc.. and yes my diet was for the most part spic and span...
at the peak of me working out i was around 210. . . so that well over 200lbs. anyways, my frame now is 6ft 2, no more than 13%bf if that high... 193 lbs,
wootoom are you saying to first just do the test for the first 4 weeks and then continue on with the plan..?
at the peak of me working out i was around 210. . . so that well over 200lbs. anyways, my frame now is 6ft 2, no more than 13%bf if that high... 193 lbs,
wootoom are you saying to first just do the test for the first 4 weeks and then continue on with the plan..?
Its all good bro, just tryin to help ya out as much as we can. The more info we have the better.
So you got up to 210, how did u drop down to 190?dieted down?
If we have your diet, we can tweek it around to help you out.
Dbol/test is a great first cycle, I did that as a first cycle! I wanted to wait though, because I am 6'2" as well and waited til I was 225 before I started. It's a tough frame to fill out I know!
Just help us out and give us some more info so we can help u out!
So you got up to 210, how did u drop down to 190?dieted down?
If we have your diet, we can tweek it around to help you out.
Dbol/test is a great first cycle, I did that as a first cycle! I wanted to wait though, because I am 6'2" as well and waited til I was 225 before I started. It's a tough frame to fill out I know!
Just help us out and give us some more info so we can help u out!
I'd just run the test E/C for ten mate .
And then build your pct around that .
Im still old schooled enought to use Clomid/nolva for pct , started 2 wks after last poke .
Brad.
And then build your pct around that .
Im still old schooled enought to use Clomid/nolva for pct , started 2 wks after last poke .
Brad.
ya i pretty much dropped down because i quit eating 8 times and day and quit taking so much protein and creatine. i started to focus on cardio to get rid of the fat... i pretty much now have no diet other than eat a light breakfast, light lunch and a hearty dinner but its not like i currently have a meal plan. so i will get one together and start around the first of the year probably. (not bc of any new years resolutions, but bc i know itll take time to get one together) i dont believe in new years resolution. . . lol
anyways, ya so if you have any questions please feel free to ask. . . i will ask you guys this: is this cycle known to do gyno effects? i know without pct its possible but if i took the pct, can i be relieved of the worry about getting gyno. . i had a growth grow under my left nipple once that i had surgically removed, the doctor said it was hormonal and usual with young men ( ive never used roids if your wondering). . . it was like a knot so i had it removed and theres a little incongruency there but nothing major. . . also, is there any difference in your opinion between test e or c ? im reading up on it. . .
boys ! you guys are so helpful. thanks for your willingness to help. i appreciate it.
anyways, ya so if you have any questions please feel free to ask. . . i will ask you guys this: is this cycle known to do gyno effects? i know without pct its possible but if i took the pct, can i be relieved of the worry about getting gyno. . i had a growth grow under my left nipple once that i had surgically removed, the doctor said it was hormonal and usual with young men ( ive never used roids if your wondering). . . it was like a knot so i had it removed and theres a little incongruency there but nothing major. . . also, is there any difference in your opinion between test e or c ? im reading up on it. . .
boys ! you guys are so helpful. thanks for your willingness to help. i appreciate it.
lonewolf12x
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just to let you know i just did my first cycle of test e at 500mg/wk for 12 weeks. im 24, 6ft 220 when started and 232 when finished. im done with pct and dropped back to 223. i had been working out for 8 years, eat at least every 2 hours, 5000 cals a day, 2 gallons of water, over 300g protein. my body was maxed out at 220. i have upped my food intake and take every natural supplement to support nitrogen retention and testosterone. its going to depend if you are naturally maxed out yet. dont expect to hold onto your gains if your genetic limits our allready tapped. i got 3 pds and acne from 3 months of test. not worth it.
i dont think im close to maxing out my body. . . you sound like you had a rough time bro. .
Why is everybody sayin to wait for +6 years or even more before starting?(And also in this case wait for being 220lbs, lol). I mean a big load of people come here to this forum to make their gains grow faster, if that means that they have done training for 2 or 3 years, why would that matter? more then being educated(which 3 years of training and reading will give you, not just in using AAS.)
i have to say ! it really is a well respected site in my opinion bc ive never seen any bros looking out for one another like i do here. . . its soo good! im loving it. . .
i agree with chrips. . the reason im even on these forums is bc ive exhausted all natural possibilities. for the longest i thought i needed to "discipline" myself and get "serious" until i realized its a run around and im not going anywhere and in the process making excuses. . . im here learning and studying bc i will achieve my goals. at this point its only a matter of time and i will get there.
at 17 years old i got so depressed that for 5 months, i literally only slept. id get up eat, use the bathroom and lock myself in my room and only sleep. . . i gained weight reaching 225 lbs of FAT. so i got out of the depression, thank God. i took control and hit the gym since then. . . now im 25 ears old and for the sake of not exaggerating i say i have been consistent in the gym for 3 years. . .theres no reason for me to wait yet another 8 years.. lol with proper help from the bros on here and careful research, i will be fine.
but thanks everyone for the cautious advice. id rather have it than someone who underplays roids . .
i agree with chrips. . the reason im even on these forums is bc ive exhausted all natural possibilities. for the longest i thought i needed to "discipline" myself and get "serious" until i realized its a run around and im not going anywhere and in the process making excuses. . . im here learning and studying bc i will achieve my goals. at this point its only a matter of time and i will get there.
at 17 years old i got so depressed that for 5 months, i literally only slept. id get up eat, use the bathroom and lock myself in my room and only sleep. . . i gained weight reaching 225 lbs of FAT. so i got out of the depression, thank God. i took control and hit the gym since then. . . now im 25 ears old and for the sake of not exaggerating i say i have been consistent in the gym for 3 years. . .theres no reason for me to wait yet another 8 years.. lol with proper help from the bros on here and careful research, i will be fine.
but thanks everyone for the cautious advice. id rather have it than someone who underplays roids . .
Damn depressed at 17.....Are you clinically depressed? You are far too young to be depressed. Some steroids also cause anxiety which leads to depression. EQ and Tren etc....Training at youre age and getting some confidence back with cure that. A lot of good advice in here. Stick around
Oh trust me i know.....
naww i doubt it...
