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let me start with my past training experience.
i stopped lifting a few years back when work got crazy busy and i got lazy. prier to that i was a lifting every other day and mixing carto in on my days of. i had a decent "vanity build" but no real mass. my old work buddy was a power lifter and regular steroid user. he had set me up with some gear and planed on going over a good short cycle for me. but never got around to it.
sadly i lost him to a driving accident about 2 years ago (i onely share this so no one tells me to go ask the guy who gave me the stuff) any way we never really got any thing going so it sits in a cool dark place in waiting. if its expired then oh well. i need to shop around. (might find it to be more beneficial any way)
here's were im at now. back in the weight 3 days a week lifting. im fare from were i was but defenetly have gained some great strength and flexibility. i lift at home with a power rack i made when i first started this journey. its kinda become like a old friend who i haven't seen in what feels like forever. im back at it for about 8 months now and loving it all over again.
im 36 yrs old now and try to keep a decent "building diet" (between 2500 3000 cals a day).
6'2 and run from 205 to 210 from month to month.
so i guess my question is should i toss the old gear and find new or try to figure out were he was going with this for me. for the record if it sitting around for 2 years isn't proof enough that im in no rush to mess up then just move on. im not looking to here some tell me to just swallow 4 of these a day and pin eod.
 
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Your thinking is everywhere. Are you asking us if you should discard it or try to figure out a cycle plan?

It should still be good as long as it was stored correctly. You need to tell us what exactly it is though.
 
What are your goals bro? And what gear is it?

No lab names man, just what type of gear are we talking about

Also, welcome to elite! If you're looking for solid advice you're in the right place!

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It sounds to me like you aren't quite ready to be discussing anabolics quite yet. You need to have been training for a good amount of time and stay committed to it. Running gear is not for anyone that half asses anything. The point you are at right now with just getting back at it, should have you making some great natural gains anyways.
 
sorry i was so scattered.
10.ml propionat qv 100
tamexifen 20 mg (83)
proviron 25 mg (40)
serpafar 50 mg (12)
the numbers in the ( ) are the quantity. back then i was looking for a short cycle to add a little bulk.
if i can pute together a plan with what i have i would love that. adding additional in the futer is always an option.
my next cycle will be my first.
 
RickRock13 said:
It sounds to me like you aren't quite ready to be discussing anabolics quite yet. You need to have been training for a good amount of time and stay committed to it. Running gear is not for anyone that half asses anything. The point you are at right now with just getting back at it, should have you making some great natural gains anyways.
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im gaining at a decent pace now. my gains are not "showing" like i would like them to but Ive never been able to watch anything grow..lol
i may not actualy start a cycle for a wile but would like to be ready all the way around when the time comes. im not looking at at a saturday start. but i am certain at some point i will want to go with it.
 
Yoou don't really have enough gear to run a full cycle

Also, tamoxofin is nolvadex.

Take that nolvadex, throw it in the trash and never say that word again. It is the most shitty compound in the would of medicine
 
bigbassturd said:
Yoou don't really have enough gear to run a full cycle

Also, tamoxofin is nolvadex.

Take that nolvadex, throw it in the trash and never say that word again. It is the most shitty compound in the would of medicine
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ive been seeing alot of hatred tords that around a few forums. i sighned on to this forum becuse it semed most of the replies to the newbs (like myself) were ment to steer them tords safty. rather than just out right calling a fool a fool.
i honestly dont know what direction we were headed with this back then. but the advantage i have now is that im in no rush. were as back then i probably would have screwed up my self. like i said im in no hurry. just wanna be prepared for when i am.
 
So you have never taken any pro hormone or steroid right?

I can definitely help you out bro, but just trying to touch all bases first.

The biggest thing you're going to want to tweak is your diet. Make sure your diet matches your goals.

It should take you at least another 6 months or so, but muscle memory takes effect fast so don't think you are as far behind as you think my friend!
 
bigbassturd said:
So you have never taken any pro hormone or steroid right?

I can definitely help you out bro, but just trying to touch all bases first.

The biggest thing you're going to want to tweak is your diet. Make sure your diet matches your goals.

It should take you at least another 6 months or so, but muscle memory takes effect fast so don't think you are as far behind as you think my friend!
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i dont feel that fare behind. my mind still remembers the brain vrs gain game. so im confident i will get out of my training exactly what im willing to put in and nothing more.
im running a "all pro" beginner program right now. i know it would not be intense enough to support a full cycle. but im not cycling any time in the immediate futer. and im seeing some decent results for the short time ive been back at it. when im ready i was thinking a short 4-6 week would be a good start to gauge my reaction to it.
 
Well while you're getting back into the grove and becoming dedicated again, you can read up on all of the compounds and how to properly do cycles and such.

For first cycles, the generic run would be 10-12 weeks of test, but you're going to need to read up on PCT and Aromatose inhibitors.

Test Enanthate for 12 weeks at around 500mgs a week
AI such as forma stanozol on hand in case sides pop up

Pct with the unleashed/post cycle combo and forma

Look up HCGenerate also, it's great to have on hand and to run into pct
 
welcome to elite... your definitely in the right place man and there's a lot of great guys on here that know their shit that will be glad to help... me included... but I urge you to at least wait another 90-120 days to really get a strong routine and diet down before you consider running a cycle... you need to keep it up for that long so that you know your ready... consistency is so important when it comes to living this lifestyle... you can be a lot of things, but being consistent is going to be the most important... you also need to set yourself some goals and research different compounds to see what would fit your needs more... it will also help us to provide you with the direction that you are going to need to be safe and successful...
 
bigbassturd said:
Well while you're getting back into the grove and becoming dedicated again, you can read up on all of the compounds and how to properly do cycles and such.

For first cycles, the generic run would be 10-12 weeks of test, but you're going to need to read up on PCT and Aromatose inhibitors.

Test Enanthate for 12 weeks at around 500mgs a week
AI such as forma stanozol on hand in case sides pop up

Pct with the unleashed/post cycle combo and forma

Look up HCGenerate also, it's great to have on hand and to run into pct
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thanks bro. this is exactly why im here. i would have thought (from previous miss education)
that my first cycle should be a shorty. so i was not shutting myself down for to long. but i have seen a lot of folks recommending longer first cycle periods for the first time newb.
my fear as of lately has been after the cycle ends getting my body back to producing "normal levels of natural test. i do understand thats what the pct is for. but there are so many options out there. that its more frustrating than overwhelming. im kinda hoping when the time comes i could ask for suggestions.
would the gear i have on hand be worth holding on to? or should it just be disposed of?
i dont see any point of keeping this stuff laying around if it is trash. if im not going to use it it becomes more of a liability than anything els.
 
dylangemelli said:
welcome to elite... your definitely in the right place man and there's a lot of great guys on here that know their shit that will be glad to help... me included... but I urge you to at least wait another 90-120 days to really get a strong routine and diet down before you consider running a cycle... you need to keep it up for that long so that you know your ready... consistency is so important when it comes to living this lifestyle... you can be a lot of things, but being consistent is going to be the most important... you also need to set yourself some goals and research different compounds to see what would fit your needs more... it will also help us to provide you with the direction that you are going to need to be safe and successful...
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wow. 90 to 120 days? that seems like probably sooner than i would have thought. so i guess i will have to see how it goes between now and then. ive been back in the weights for more than half a year now and told myself i would wouldnt get a cycle started until i hit at least my 1 year back date. but if i feel confident about doing it right and being prepared before then. well thats that.... :)
i certainly do need to work on diet. i have been watching my cals. but need to start being more on top of my carbs and fats. i understand diet plays a huge part in the results im going to get out. right now i feel like my diet is whats holding me back. so thats what im working on.
thanks for all the support im getting here everyone...
 
just some quick points

1 nothing wrong w/ a short cycle of test to get your feet wet.. 6 weeks is plenty to make some real gains

2 nothing wrong w/ a 4 week oral cycle of helladrol/beastdrol/etc/etc look at what mrsupps.com has and research it.

3 its nice to see someone who knows they need some work and is willing to put off a cycle until they get things dialed in!
 
first off what are your stats? you may have posted them already but without stats hard to give you guidance..

go read drug profiles.com and do more research on ideas.

a first cycle should be short and leaving you wanting more. don't go and run a 20 week cycle the first time.. keep it short, i don't care if you run long esters, doesn't matter.. just keep it short.

pick 1 compound and run it and run a simple pct. then next time around try 2 compounds.. and so on. you don't need to stack 4 different things when you don't know enough about them

and as others have said before anything else obviously you need to get into better shape. you won't be happy with your results from steroids without a strong routine and discipline.
 
stevesmi said:
first off what are your stats? you may have posted them already but without stats hard to give you guidance..

go read drug profiles.com and do more research on ideas.

a first cycle should be short and leaving you wanting more. don't go and run a 20 week cycle the first time.. keep it short, i don't care if you run long esters, doesn't matter.. just keep it short.

pick 1 compound and run it and run a simple pct. then next time around try 2 compounds.. and so on. you don't need to stack 4 different things when you don't know enough about them

and as others have said before anything else obviously you need to get into better shape. you won't be happy with your results from steroids without a strong routine and discipline.
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i totally agree... i would not run a long first cycle... 6 weeks would be plenty for a first cycle and a good ph would be fine... you CAN run something like a test only cycle, 10-12 weeks but a shorter cycle will get you some nice gains in a short amount of time, allowing you a quicker recovery time and then giving you the opportunity to run another cycle sooner...

i say 90-120 days at least because you've been back at it for a while now... if you were just getting started i would say 6 months to a year preferably... YOU will know when your truly ready... if you are questioning it in any way then you are not ready...
 
stevesmi said:
first off what are your stats? you may have posted them already but without stats hard to give you guidance..

go read drug profiles.com and do more research on ideas.

a first cycle should be short and leaving you wanting more. don't go and run a 20 week cycle the first time.. keep it short, i don't care if you run long esters, doesn't matter.. just keep it short.

pick 1 compound and run it and run a simple pct. then next time around try 2 compounds.. and so on. you don't need to stack 4 different things when you don't know enough about them

and as others have said before anything else obviously you need to get into better shape. you won't be happy with your results from steroids without a strong routine and discipline.
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35 yrs old
205 lbs
20% body fat
eating between 2500 and 3000 cpd (been going kinda heavy on protein lately) but fatty snacking is my killer)
weight training 3 days a week using "all pro beginners program"
hitt cardio 3days a week
i may have to swap out my current routine when the time comes for a decent split (upper / lower) when my day comes but for what i im doing and what i am not doing right now = this is working.
my bench is 195 clean (pleas dont make fun :) actual 1 rep max- not calculated
and my squat is 215 also clean at 5 reps. ( i dont max this exercise as im totally new to squats)
 
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as fare as what i want to run latter down the road in a short cycle. i was hoping to find out what i should add or subtract from the gear i have presently.
as fare as i see here the nolvadex is off the table. maybe its all off the table. we haven't really talked much about what i have "sitting around" i do understand that
its not time to "pute together my gear" yet but i dont want to be sitting on crap that will never get used. as fare as what i still need. if it makes every one more comfortable to
not share this kinda stuff yet than thats fine but at least stere me towards what to dispose of and what to keep in the "kitty" so to speak.
at "stevesmi" drug profiles.com is a good read. i was amazed this kinda mind set was shared so openly.
at "dylangemelli" i was kinda stuck on the idea of a short cycle in the beginning. im still hanging in that mind set now. im glad a few of you agree its better to start short and work long.
i like to be able to track my reactions good and bad with each thing i do. so a test cycle onely does sound like its were i would be leaning down the road.
thanks again for all the great help guys. makes me glad i added this to my learning resources.
just the help in were to find information has me picking up info so much faster than just pecking at the keyboard and hoping to come across good solid info.
good stuff guys! thank you.
 
round2 said:
as fare as what i want to run latter down the road in a short cycle. i was hoping to find out what i should add or subtract from the gear i have presently.
as fare as i see here the nolvadex is off the table. maybe its all off the table. we haven't really talked much about what i have "sitting around" i do understand that
its not time to "pute together my gear" yet but i dont want to be sitting on crap that will never get used. as fare as what i still need. if it makes every one more comfortable to
not share this kinda stuff yet than thats fine but at least stere me towards what to dispose of and what to keep in the "kitty" so to speak.
at "stevesmi" drug profiles.com is a good read. i was amazed this kinda mind set was shared so openly.
at "dylangemelli" i was kinda stuck on the idea of a short cycle in the beginning. im still hanging in that mind set now. im glad a few of you agree its better to start short and work long.
i like to be able to track my reactions good and bad with each thing i do. so a test cycle onely does sound like its were i would be leaning down the road.
thanks again for all the great help guys. makes me glad i added this to my learning resources.
just the help in were to find information has me picking up info so much faster than just pecking at the keyboard and hoping to come across good solid info.
good stuff guys! thank you.
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im always here to help bro... first things first... you have to get that body fat down at least to 15% before you even consider starting a cycle... once you do that, i can definitely set you up a nice first timer cycle that will help you get started in the right way... work hard, work on your diet especially and when your ready, come back and we will get you all set up!
 
dylangemelli said:
im always here to help bro... first things first... you have to get that body fat down at least to 15% before you even consider starting a cycle... once you do that, i can definitely set you up a nice first timer cycle that will help you get started in the right way... work hard, work on your diet especially and when your ready, come back and we will get you all set up!
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thanks again sounds like a good solid pre plan to me.
getting my diet dialed in seems to be my toughest part right now. im so use to grazing on junk and that i blow a good disciplined meal regiment. but im doing better and sent my buddy home with all the junk food in my cabinets last week.
am i being to forward by asking what i should discard from my little "gear bag" ?
i really dont want to keep anything on hand that i would never use.
(gear bag posted on page one)
thanks again. i will keep checking back in from time to time. and continue to study up hear and anywhere else i can acquire good solid knowledge.
 
just swinging back in.
thanks again all for all the encouragement to continue to train the way i am. and the insight to continue to educate myself on diet and futer cycle plan.
the more i learn the more i realize what i never knew.
 
DIET is what you need right now.

cut out sugars and salts. that is the first step before anything. you admit you have a problem with snacking. when you are watching tv your mind will want to eat, even if you aren't hungry. this is a major problem with people. if you are sitting at home watching the game you will get the munchies. you have to just turn the tv off and get more active.

throw the tv away, or hell get a treadmill and walk while you are watching the game.
 
stevesmi said:
DIET is what you need right now.

cut out sugars and salts. that is the first step before anything. you admit you have a problem with snacking. when you are watching tv your mind will want to eat, even if you aren't hungry. this is a major problem with people. if you are sitting at home watching the game you will get the munchies. you have to just turn the tv off and get more active.

throw the tv away, or hell get a treadmill and walk while you are watching the game.
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totally agree... this is where the dvr comes in handy because when commercials come on, peoples natural tendency is to get up and eat because we want to constantly be doing something... you need to keep yourself active as much as possible if snacking is a problem for you... you also need to eat things like fiber and higher protein, that keep you full and satisfied much longer... i have a feeling your snacking does not consist of this type of macro... also drinking more water will help as well... its a mental thing more than anything though... once you learn how to deal with the mental aspect of pretty much everything in life, you can allow yourself to become more of a success...
 
all except for the tv thing you guys nailed it. im not big on tv. i actualy onely have cable for the cheaper Internet..
but just basic boredom gets me. i parked the riding mower for the rest of the year and am on a push onely from here on out. takes more than twice as long but it keeps me moving.
i go through a little under a gallon of watter now on a normal day. hot days i will do a ton more. i work in the construction field so staying active is not a big problem.
i moved all the junk out of my house a wile ago and haven't touched any sense. i can actualy feel my energy levels increasing.
i keep meaning to grab some healthier snacks. (snow peas / carrots) for my light snaking craves. when they hit me hard im all about the fruit. should i be concerned with sweet fruits?
mangoes / pears stuff like that. i usually have a good amount of them and bananas around for when i feel like "grazing" and it works great.
 
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all except for the tv thing you guys nailed it. im not big on tv. i actualy onely have cable for the cheaper Internet..
but just basic boredom gets me. i parked the riding mower for the rest of the year and am on a push onely from here on out. takes more than twice as long but it keeps me moving.
i go through a little under a gallon of watter now on a normal day. hot days i will do a ton more. i work in the construction field so staying active is not a big problem.
i moved all the junk out of my house a wile ago and haven't touched any sense. i can actualy feel my energy levels increasing.
i keep meaning to grab some healthier snacks. (snow peas / carrots) for my light snaking craves. when they hit me hard im all about the fruit. should i be concerned with sweet fruits?
mangoes / pears stuff like that. i usually have a good amount of them and bananas around for when i feel like "grazing" and it works great.
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they are okay in moderation but I would not be slamming them bro... look at things like greek yogurt (only the plain flavor), maybe a can of low sodium tuna, hard boiled egg whites... all of these are great healthy snacks...
 
well this may belong in a new thread. but i will start it here and move it if i should.
the more i read up on the gear i have on hand from before the more i realize you guys are right. im just not prepared or educated enough at this time to run with some thing like that.
I've been reading up on s4 and osta stacks and i do believe im going to run it. i shoped local to this sight. after reading many logs on this and a few other sights. i feel comfortable running it.
im aware of the sight sides and have come to terms with that ;) my son leaves in a few weeks and will be gone until end of Aug so i have a nice window to be sure im not going to get any late night calls
for me to pick him up from a party. so im going to get this going asap.
im looking at a 10 week run. osta 10 front loaded 2 weeks s4 8
here's how its looking as of now
2 weeks osta at 25 mg ED in morning
3 rd week - 10th week
morning
25 mg osta
25 mg s4
mid day
25mg s4
i will be running the s4 5 on 2 off > i may adjust this depending on sides.
for my mini pct
im looking 3 weeks
week 1
forma 5 pump 2x a day = morn and mid day
forged 2 caps 2x a day = morn and night
week 2
forma 4 pump 2x a day = morn and midday
forged 2 caps 2x a day = morn and night
d- test one full dose in morn
week 3
d-test one full dose in morn
forma 3 pumps 2x a day = morn and midday
 
round2 said:
well this may belong in a new thread. but i will start it here and move it if i should.
the more i read up on the gear i have on hand from before the more i realize you guys are right. im just not prepared or educated enough at this time to run with some thing like that.
I've been reading up on s4 and osta stacks and i do believe im going to run it. i shoped local to this sight. after reading many logs on this and a few other sights. i feel comfortable running it.
im aware of the sight sides and have come to terms with that ;) my son leaves in a few weeks and will be gone until end of Aug so i have a nice window to be sure im not going to get any late night calls
for me to pick him up from a party. so im going to get this going asap.
im looking at a 10 week run. osta 10 front loaded 2 weeks s4 8
here's how its looking as of now
2 weeks osta at 25 mg ED in morning
3 rd week - 10th week
morning
25 mg osta
25 mg s4
mid day
25mg s4
i will be running the s4 5 on 2 off > i may adjust this depending on sides.
for my mini pct
im looking 3 weeks
week 1
forma 5 pump 2x a day = morn and mid day
forged 2 caps 2x a day = morn and night
week 2
forma 4 pump 2x a day = morn and midday
forged 2 caps 2x a day = morn and night
d- test one full dose in morn
week 3
d-test one full dose in morn
forma 3 pumps 2x a day = morn and midday
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sarms is a great choice for you... there is no need to start at 5 on 2 off on the s4 though bro... you only go to that option is the vision sides start to be unbearable... you need to assess and go from there...

read this thread
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/how-properly-dose-s4-931903.html

here's what i recommend you run...

1-10 osta 25 mg day dosed once a day
1-8 s4 50 mg day, split doses... 25 mg a.m. and 25 mg 6 hours later
1-8 hcgenerate
1-10 forma stanzol

mini pct
11-13 unleashed
11-13 forged pct
11-13 bridge

i would also consider using creatine nitrate and need2slin throughout the entire cycle...
 
is the hcgenerate really worth holding of starting this? i have everything i listed on hand. and never eaven looked into locating the HCG.
what dose do you think the forma stanzol should be run at then during the cycle?

i know you always like to utilize unleashed during pct. you list it on just about every pct i see you draw out. but again. i haven't been able to find it.
is it o.k to post me links?
i have 2 bottles s4 -2 bottles osta -one forma -one forged -one d-test chews and one bottle "revolution pct--post cycle matrix"??? another gift from a buddy of mine
the revolution may be junk as it was a local buy....lol


well i was able to locate everything... but unleashed pct is sold out.
is my stack and pct inadequate?
 
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round2 said:
is the hcgenerate really worth holding of starting this? i have everything i listed on hand. and never eaven looked into locating the HCG.
what dose do you think the forma stanzol should be run at then during the cycle?

i know you always like to utilize unleashed during pct. you list it on just about every pct i see you draw out. but again. i haven't been able to find it.
is it o.k to post me links?
i have 2 bottles s4 -2 bottles osta -one forma -one forged -one d-test chews and one bottle "revolution pct--post cycle matrix"??? another gift from a buddy of mine
the revolution may be junk as it was a local buy....lol


well i was able to locate everything... but unleashed pct is sold out.
is my stack and pct inadequate?
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unleashed and post cycle will be back in stock next week and i would definitely use them for pct... you could use forged post cycle as opposed to the post cycle from protein factory but you definitely should use unleashed...

forma dosing is 10 pumps a day... 5 in the a.m. and 5 in the p.m.

you can start without hcgnerate if you like...

yes the .5 ml is 25 mg of each...
 
dylangemelli said:
unleashed and post cycle will be back in stock next week and i would definitely use them for pct... you could use forged post cycle as opposed to the post cycle from protein factory but you definitely should use unleashed...

forma dosing is 10 pumps a day... 5 in the a.m. and 5 in the p.m.

you can start without hcgnerate if you like...

yes the .5 ml is 25 mg of each...
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well i guess im going shoping....lol
would i have enough on hand hand in case the "unthinkable" happens and the unleashed did not come into stock by the time i needed it. ( i know its not likely but i do want to play it safe)
i guess im going to order the HCgenerate and another forma. (unless theres more pumps in that bottle than i think there are)
i defenetly want to do this right bro.
im going to hold off the start till the HCg gets here.
you have proven time and time again that a well laid out plan will not onely get you results but allow you to keep them. thats what i need bro.
thanks again.

i noticed unleashed being sold two different ways
one as a pct combo (but i dont see a differences bottle to bottle (in the actual description)
and another as just unleashed
what am i missing? are the essentially the same thing? = as in reg unleashed working in my pct?
 
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round2 said:
well i guess im going shoping....lol
would i have enough on hand hand in case the "unthinkable" happens and the unleashed did not come into stock by the time i needed it. ( i know its not likely but i do want to play it safe)
i guess im going to order the HCgenerate and another forma. (unless theres more pumps in that bottle than i think there are)
i defenetly want to do this right bro.
im going to hold off the start till the HCg gets here.
you have proven time and time again that a well laid out plan will not onely get you results but allow you to keep them. thats what i need bro.
thanks again.

i noticed unleashed being sold two different ways
one as a pct combo (but i dont see a differences bottle to bottle (in the actual description)
and another as just unleashed
what am i missing? are the essentially the same thing? = as in reg unleashed working in my pct?
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you would only need one bottle of forma to run it weeks 1-8 man... it will last 60 days at 10 pumps a day...

unleashed is the same no matter which way that you buy it... it should be in stock this week so be looking for it...
 
dylangemelli said:
you would only need one bottle of forma to run it weeks 1-8 man... it will last 60 days at 10 pumps a day...

unleashed is the same no matter which way that you buy it... it should be in stock this week so be looking for it...
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sounds good.
im going to get this started once my hcgnerate arrives.
i plan on keeping a log. as im sure this wont be my first and last experience. were is the best place to share a log?
 
should i consider adding the d-test chews i have at any point? or just keep them aside for latter down the road?
plus i have that revolution pct matrix that i dont know what do do with?
any suggestions on those?
 
round2 said:
should i consider adding the d-test chews i have at any point? or just keep them aside for latter down the road?
plus i have that revolution pct matrix that i dont know what do do with?
any suggestions on those?
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save them for later... everything is laid out perfectly... theres no need to overthink or add anything now bro

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy
 
thanks again.....
i just went back through the set up and im not sure on the HCgenerate dosing?
i see differences in every log. looks like its often and sped out?


the big one keep seeing is 3am 2 pm with meals?
 
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round2 said:
thanks again.....
i just went back through the set up and im not sure on the HCgenerate dosing?
i see differences in every log. looks like its often and sped out?


the big one keep seeing is 3am 2 pm with meals?
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that is the correct dosing... 3 a.m. and 2 p.m...
 
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