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First cycle. here it is

keepnitreal

keepnitreal

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Stats -
22
170 lbs 10% (although Im told I look heavier )
4.5 years of training.

pr lifts
bench - 315
squats - 425 before injury
dl - 475 / 485 (hitched back)

This will be my FIRST cycle of any sort. Been a protein creatine multi guy for all these years.

Test e - 12 weeks 500 mg ( Monday morning and Thursday night)
(thinking of kicking with dbol weeks 1-4 @ 20-40 mg, thoughts ?
Aromasin - 12.5mg EOD. will bump to 25 EOD or 12.5 ED if I start to notice gyno ( will probably have letro on hand ) just to play it safe

PCT -weeks 14- 17
clomid
HCGenerate starting week 6 and thru PCT
Forma Stanzol ( probably do it for more than 3 weeks ? )
Post cycle/ unleashed
Daa

( PCT seems excessive ? just wanna play it safe)

here are some pictures -
- - http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/548605_10150968630363087_1740036116_n.jpg (halfwway though cut)

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/527941_10150987066743087_2033925238_n.jpg


decent base ?
help me out bros, any changes you would rec. ? maybe var instead of dbol :P ?
 
Lookin good aside from all that horseshit on your pic.

Lol anyways, what are you looking to do? Var and dbol are used for two completely different goals bro
 
Btw pct looks fkn solid. Good job on research! Glad to see someone actually looks around and learns first

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bigbassturd said:
Lookin good aside from all that horseshit on your pic.

Lol anyways, what are you looking to do? Var and dbol are used for two completely different goals bro
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haha yeah just wanted to hide my face * shifty eyes*

I wanna bulk with minimal fat gaind and.im aware var is hard to get..but ill ask my links. basicaly lean mass but I dont mind blowing up either any would do for me..ill just diet back down hehe

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Lol well you're a big 170 how tall are you?

And I would say easiest thing to do would be keep it simple. Var if you wanna lean up, dbol if you wanna blow up. You'll gain size regardless because of the test
 
I applaud your lay out. Man honestly id run just the test. Im not a big fan of a dbol kickstart on your first run. If you built all that with just creatine and multis the test is all you need. In this game use the least you can to make the gains bro. There will be more cycles.

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obsessedwliftin said:
I applaud your lay out. Man honestly id run just the test. Im not a big fan of a dbol kickstart on your first run. If you built all that with just creatine and multis the test is all you need. In this game use the least you can to make the gains bro. There will be more cycles.

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Thanks bros. So running a test only lets say. Is my pct excessive ? Some guys would skip HCgenerate and do just clomid and daa. Thoughts ?

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Hc generate keeps the nuts plump and allows you to ease into pct. I think your pct is perfect bro. The less shutdown you are going in the easier the recovery.

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obsessedwliftin said:
Hc generate keeps the nuts plump and allows you to ease into pct. I think your pct is perfect bro. The less shutdown you are going in the easier the recovery.

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This right here bro. You want it to feel like you never came off.

Test only for 12 weeks would be killer for you. Start your pct 2 weeks after your last pin and run it for 4 weeks

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you got great advice from two guys i really respect... i always think anavar is a great ending to a cycle... it really polishes the cycle off nicely... as far as a kickstart... tbol is a nice kicker on more lean gains cycle... helladrol and epistane are also nice kickers...
i definitely recommend running hcgenerate on cycle... you want your pct to be a nice smooth recovery... pct looks great... good luck bro...
 
obsessedwliftin said:
Hc generate keeps the nuts plump and allows you to ease into pct. I think your pct is perfect bro. The less shutdown you are going in the easier the recovery.

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Would you say its better to run HCG instead of generate ?

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No. I run hc generate while on and start my hcg to get a great kickstart starting 2 weeks before pct. The two have their own uses imo.

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I am not a fan of Dbol kickstart either...I bloat way too bad of Dbol...
 
Finally someone who had finally gotten all his eggs in a basket, Welcome to Elite, If you don't want to blow up on Dbol I would suggest Tbol superior Strength, Size and a Hard look while your waiting for that Test Ester to break down, Since this is your first cycle Those Virgin Receptors are gonna make you explode,
250Mg twice a wk Mon-Thurs or when ever you choose...good luck and enjoy the ride!!!
 
wootoom said:
I am not a fan of Dbol kickstart either...I bloat way too bad of Dbol...
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So im hearing.will avoid it maybe back end var. Just curious this sounds kinda stupid but vile test 250 x 10 = 2500.... x 2 = 5000 mg... Thats enough for 10 weeks at 500 /week. Im assuming i need 3 viles ? buddy of mine said 2 viles was enough for 12 weeks :S
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keepnitreal said:
So im hearing.will avoid it maybe back end var. Just curious this sounds kinda stupid but vile test 250 x 10 = 2500.... x 2 = 5000 mg... Thats enough for 10 weeks at 500 /week. Im assuming i need 3 viles ? buddy of mine said 2 viles was enough for 12 weeks :S
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When I was your age I LOVED Var...60mg/Ed for 8-10 weeks
 
Actually bro, I saw your weight..maybe try Dbol as a kick start...a lot of people react well to Dbol..keep it..you can keep most of the weight.
 
wootoom said:
Actually bro, I saw your weight..maybe try Dbol as a kick start...a lot of people react well to Dbol..keep it..you can keep most of the weight.
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alright my link said hell give me some free russian dbol anyway
Dbol weeks 1-4 @ 20-30 mg ?

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Couple thingsYou have a great frame but you look like more than 10%bf. Your training will be the biggest factor in hardening up.

I think 12 weeks is too long for a first cycle.

Use Forma while on to control estro but not for PCT.

Your PCT isn't excessive at all. It's normal.

Don;t start unless you have enough UNLEASHED. You never know.
 
Couple thingsYou have a great frame but you look like more than 10%bf. Your training will be the biggest factor in hardening up.

I think 12 weeks is too long for a first cycle.

Use Forma while on to control estro but not for PCT.

Your PCT isn't excessive at all. It's normal.

Don;t start unless you have enough UNLEASHED. You never know.

Good luck.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Couple thingsYou have a great frame but you look like more than 10%bf. Your training will be the biggest factor in hardening up.

I think 12 weeks is too long for a first cycle.

Use Forma while on to control estro but not for PCT.

Your PCT isn't excessive at all. It's normal.

Don;t start unless you have enough UNLEASHED. You never know.
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Pics about 2 months old. Ive cut a bit of fat...dieting til late november. So would give to time to cut up a bit more. How would I go about running forma and aromasin ?

Test e 500mg 1-10
Aromasin 12.5 EOD
Forma on cycle IF I start seeing estrogen issues ? 10 pumps split

PCT 12-15
Clomid 25s
unleashed post
HCgenerate 3am...2pm
DAA 3 gm

Hows this


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keepnitreal said:
So im hearing.will avoid it maybe back end var. Just curious this sounds kinda stupid but vile test 250 x 10 = 2500.... x 2 = 5000 mg... Thats enough for 10 weeks at 500 /week. Im assuming i need 3 viles ? buddy of mine said 2 viles was enough for 12 weeks :S
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NO way is 2 Vials enough for 2 weeks
 
the clomid and aromasin im getting are liquid. Anyone know sites that can link me for clomid and aromasin for my rats ?

I looked at aromasin for 70$ for 30ML 25MG/ML...thats 60 servings at 12.5 ! that should be more than enough for one cycle...any other place online I can grab aromasin cheaper or is that the norm price ? damn still waiting for unleashed/pc to stock in.
 
everything seems good to go BUT have some questions...help a brodude out. apreech !

heres how it looks

12 weeks test e 500 ( M morning Thur night split
12 weeks aromasin 12.5 mg EOD

dbol 1-4 weeks start at 20 mg to 40 mg

PCT 14-17 ( 4 weeks) ( 2 weeks after last test pin)
clomid 25mg/day
unleashed post cycle (btw is it in stock now lol )
will maybe get formastanzol ...maybe *****
DAA ( 3 grams a day)

test pin....extract with 18g 1.5 inch...pin with 23g 1.5 in glutes and quads...using 23g 1 inch for delts
using 3cc syringes..pinning 1 cc i believe thats 1ml right ?
everything good ?

questions :
1. okay you guys will kill me for this, but my buddy said to run nolva in pct as an "ai" not to help hpta but as an ai so he suggested to do nolva and clomid

2. also was suggest to dose clomid at high doses... ex. 100mg..althought I think thats a little too high and buddy suggest that its all about recovery to start high not 25mg...YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS

3. Am I missing something, would you recc. me hacing letro on hand ? its a mild cycle, would you still suggest letro on hand ?

4. any final inputs ? thanks bros. apreech.
 
1. No to nolva, period.
2. Clomid should never be dosed higher than 50mgs ever.
3. Letro is too harsh for a mild cycle. Use aromasin and forma. Letro is a last stand for gyno.
 
bigbassturd said:
1. No to nolva, period.
2. Clomid should never be dosed higher than 50mgs ever.
3. Letro is too harsh for a mild cycle. Use aromasin and forma. Letro is a last stand for gyno.
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alright thanks for the reply..
so you'd recommend running forma in pct and using it on cycle along with aroomasin IF I start feeling gyna symptoms ? I will up my ai to 12.5 ED if i start feeling itcy nipps etc.. and maybe run forma too
- should I even bother having letro on hand just in case ?
 
Don't run forma until pct. Aromasin is strong enough you should be fine at 12.5mg eod. If you do feel anything, go to 12.5 ed. Letro is pretty much used to fight gyno you already have. You shouldn't have that problem with aromasin on cycle and forma in pct
 
keepnitreal said:
So im hearing.will avoid it maybe back end var. Just curious this sounds kinda stupid but vile test 250 x 10 = 2500.... x 2 = 5000 mg... Thats enough for 10 weeks at 500 /week. Im assuming i need 3 viles ? buddy of mine said 2 viles was enough for 12 weeks :S
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no way 2 vials is enough for 10weeks...
i'm short of 1 week for 2 vials, end up with enough for 9 weeks instead..better to get 1 more vial or use ampules...
 
monk.. said:
no way 2 vials is enough for 10weeks...
i'm short of 1 week for 2 vials, end up with enough for 9 weeks instead..better to get 1 more vial or use ampules...
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Yea thanks haha never listen to guys who dont have credentials..dont know what my buddy was saying about 2 for 12.weeks
Im grabbing 3. plus if left over I can run for another bike ride( cycle) lol
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Sorry to bump this thread but been waiting for pc/un so i havent started cycle. But i decided to do test only but I keep being told to add a kicker as itll be more worthwhile...so my question being could i add and KEEP 15 lbs after PCT ? thoughts on tbol as a kicker to lean gain?

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Tbol is Great as a kicker , Plus it will give you a good strength increase That = bigger muscles.
40mgs a day is just right for 4 wks.
 
With that pct you.wont keep anything ....read on other boards what a real pct looks like..or read my thread I JUST put up...every response you.got just about was from a ntbm or.similar rep..its product pushing and sadly your money is spent..when you could of got aromasin..clomid and.nolva for half the price and recovered much better...look at other boards..no one does otc pct except ef..its fucking retarded

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gear63 said:
With that pct you.wont keep anything ....read on other boards what a real pct looks like..or read my thread I JUST put up...every response you.got just about was from a ntbm or.similar rep..its product pushing and sadly your money is spent..when you could of got aromasin..clomid and.nolva for half the price and recovered much better...look at other boards..no one does otc pct except ef..its fucking retarded

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enjoy your ban.
 
gear63 said:
With that pct you.wont keep anything ....read on other boards what a real pct looks like..or read my thread I JUST put up...every response you.got just about was from a ntbm or.similar rep..its product pushing and sadly your money is spent..when you could of got aromasin..clomid and.nolva for half the price and recovered much better...look at other boards..no one does otc pct except ef..its fucking retarded

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Sent to bant camp!
 
gear63 said:
With that pct you.wont keep anything ....read on other boards what a real pct looks like..or read my thread I JUST put up...every response you.got just about was from a ntbm or.similar rep..its product pushing and sadly your money is spent..when you could of got aromasin..clomid and.nolva for half the price and recovered much better...look at other boards..no one does otc pct except ef..its fucking retarded

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Hmmmmmmm

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dylangemelli said:
you got great advice from two guys i really respect... i always think anavar is a great ending to a cycle... it really polishes the cycle off nicely... as far as a kickstart... tbol is a nice kicker on more lean gains cycle... helladrol and epistane are also nice kickers...
i definitely recommend running hcgenerate on cycle... you want your pct to be a nice smooth recovery... pct looks great... good luck bro...
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Reading this you answered my question.
 
Back from ban camp.yay..so whats you final plan looking like now?

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gear63 said:
Back from ban camp.yay..so whats you final plan looking like now?

All information is for entertainment purpose only and is not valid for real life use in any manner..Gear 63 is a role playing web based persona!
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hmm youre back I see
first cycle looking like this

1-12 test e @500mg split M & Thur
1-12 aromasin 12.5mg EOD

PCT 14-17
Clomid 70/35/35/25
DAA
left over aromasin 12.5 e4d or Forma stanzol 10 pumps (5 AND 5)
A natty test booster that I got from a friend for free so why not throw it in here

looks good ?

FUAAARK LETS DO THIS !
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http://i48.tinypic.com/fdr11d.jpg

mirin delts haha mad excited for first cycle !
 
Damn ^ nice frame!...yes looks good..enjoy!

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keepnitreal said:
questions :
1. okay you guys will kill me for this, but my buddy said to run nolva in pct as an "ai" not to help hpta but as an ai so he suggested to do nolva and clomid

2. also was suggest to dose clomid at high doses... ex. 100mg..althought I think thats a little too high and buddy suggest that its all about recovery to start high not 25mg...YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS

3. Am I missing something, would you recc. me hacing letro on hand ? its a mild cycle, would you still suggest letro on hand ?

4. any final inputs ? thanks bros. apreech.
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Nolva is not an AI, it's a SERM. Personally, I don't "feel like shit" on it like everyone else here seems to. I like it better than clomid, but whatever.

You could run your clomid at 50mg the first week or two.

I would run the Aromasin through PCT. Shouldn't need letro.

Get some HCG to kick start that PCT.
 
keepnitreal said:
hmm youre back I see
first cycle looking like this

1-12 test e @500mg split M & Thur
1-12 aromasin 12.5mg EOD

PCT 14-17
Clomid 70/35/35/25
DAA
left over aromasin 12.5 e4d or Forma stanzol 10 pumps (5 AND 5)
A natty test booster that I got from a friend for free so why not throw it in here

looks good ?

FUAAARK LETS DO THIS !
fdr11d.jpg


http://i48.tinypic.com/fdr11d.jpg

mirin delts haha mad excited for first cycle !
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start the natty test booster towards the end of your PCT (like the last week) and run it post PCT. Weird clomid dosing. Just do 50/50/25/25.
 
a guy who actually built a solid base and did his research before posting.

thats rare. kudos to you.

your final thing looks good, i would run clomid at 25/25/25/25. i experimented last cycle with running clomid even at a lower dose and throwing in DAA with it and i recovered just as good. and you definately need to kickstart PCT with hcg and if you can afford it a couple hits of HMG mixed in. should have no problem recovering doing that.
 
Steve is right, 25 throughout is fine for clomid, just make sure you add in DAA. You'll recover better and with less sides, win/win.
 
Just wanted to give props to you for a well thought out cycle and for you doing your own research and building a solid base before running a cycle!

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bigbassturd said:
Steve is right, 25 throughout is fine for clomid, just make sure you add in DAA. You'll recover better and with less sides, win/win.
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With DAA, is the idea to boost our test while our body the natural production is normalizing? It doesn't do anything to restore natural production does it? Since daa takes a couple weeks to start working, would you suggest starting a week or two before pct?

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callmejay said:
With DAA, is the idea to boost our test while our body the natural production is normalizing? It doesn't do anything to restore natural production does it? Since daa takes a couple weeks to start working, would you suggest starting a week or two before pct?

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DAA makes you feel good during pct.

you now how you feel with nolva right? well you won't feel like that on DAA. you will feel gooooooood.

one of the parts of pct is feeling good and not losing motivation to go to the gym. if you feel like shit and depressed you aren't gonna want to go workout right?
 
Right, it helps natty test, and improves overall mood. start it the same day as pct, as you will still have AAS in your system then. The idea is when your pct kicks in within a couple weeks, everything else is leaving your bloodstream, and you never miss a beat. You just keep on feeling great, and with your natural test production boosted, you hold on to more gains, not to mention still killing it in the gym every day, leading to further gains kept.

Basically you never feel as if you've come 'off'
 
And to answer your other question, yes, it stimulates natural production in the pituitary gland by increasing concentration in the blood. This stimulates the LH, and wallah...

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Aromasin..is typically run EOD..or.ED...bc of the active life...arimidex on the other hand is much longer and typically ran E3D....my recommendations are to run aromasin.. throughout the cycle and pct..at a range of 6.25-12.5 mg EoD ...just imo..its shown to.work very well for over forty years..and also will not create an estrogen rebound like adex can sometimes
Best of luck

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Thanks for the info on DAA. Is there merit to starting it immediately after last shot to let it build up for pct?

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Start it the same day. You'll still have AAS in your system immediately after you come off, so by the time your pct builds up to effectiveness, you'll be clearing out the AAS. That's where the smooth transition comes into play, as you don't want a big dip in mood or motivation to provide a further setback while you're recovering

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