First Cycle Help

[palmer09]

Hey guys/gals,

First post so Hi from Australia

I'm looking at doing an oral only cycle to help me cut up and maybe gain a little bit more muscle. I was thinking a very low dose of d-bol only cycle with a cutting agent to help (winny etc) Then followed by my PCT.

My Stats:

Weight; 87kg
Height: 6 Foot
Age: 20
Bf: 10%
Health: Perfect everything. I'm very fit being a swimmer and liver values are excellent!
Goal: To get a little bit more muscle. My full goal is to be a little bigger but ripped. (i know i wont achieve this on d-bol only so any advice on a good thing to cut me up to take either with the d-bol or after it, or even by itself without any d-bol would be great!)

With 4 years on and off of weights experience under my belt. So i eat right and train well. Im a very easy natural gainer. Just want to get ripped.

Here is a pic of me at the moment all natural:
http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt26/palmer_006/Image008-2.jpg

Question is:
1) What would be good for my PCT? (Nolva only as the dosage is low?)
If so what would be a good PCT for it?

2) What can be used with a d-bol only cycle to help me get cut?? (If i choose to do d-bol)

I'm only a novice when it comes to steroids but thought i would ask a few questions to help me gain some knowledge


Any help would be great guys/gals. As i haven't gone and rushed into anything and want all the info i can before doing anything.

EDIT: Sorry if i posted in the wrong section


Cheers,
Palmer09

 

[Tux]

Oral-only cycles are usually not a good idea. You're only 191lbs at 6ft so you're not very big at all... why do you NEED to get cut? Work on adding a little more mass first with basic cycle like test and deca, or test and eq. If you simply HAVE to do an oral-only cycle, I'd recommen anavar at 40-60mg/day... but that's goona cost ya. You'd save money by using plain test and dbol to bulk up, then maybe some test prop and winny to cut down.

 

[palmer09]

Yeah i heard a lot about oral only cycles not being a good idea (liver values, lose what you gain etc). But then there are plenty of people saying they are fine and get good gains. I'm thinking because i can gain muscle fairly easy (last 3 weeks i've improved heaps. when i started training right and dieting) i could get some good gains for my first cycle being oral only d-bol or anavar??

Only thing i want to keep down is my bodyfat % and water retention. keep me looking fairly well cut. But bulk up a bit more.

What about the PCT for anavar? and how long should in run it for?

I want to do oral only as i want to see how steroids affect me in the first place before i start injecting.

Any advice guys?

 

[2DIEZEL]

D-bol will make you retain water and bloaty looking so if your trying to cut thats not a good choice. If your afraid to inject try some anavar train and eat smart.

 

[palmer09]

Yeah i was thinking about anavar after more research. It seems good. and i'm willing to pay the extra money for it.

I made a thread about the anavar i can get and posted a pic of it. Not sure if its legit or not.

Here is the link to my other thread.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/gear-pictures-anabolic-steroids/anavar-legit-661465.html



I was planning on taking 20-30mg ED for 6 weeks or so. so what would be a good PCT for that?

I was thinking Nolva 20/20/20/10/10? or is that too much for a PCT for this small cycle? and is nolva efficient enough for this to regain my natural test levels?

Appreciate the help people

Any more help on dosage and mainly PCT would be great guys

cheers,
Palmer09

 

[RickO'Shea]

up the dose to 40mg ed but if it were me and you were now just seeing results from training and good diet(last three weeks anyway) Just stay off. You're seeing really good gains from finally getting your diet in check, just run that till you cant see any gains from your diet. Then tweek your diet a little more and when that fails Run some Var. Just my 2cents....Why? Cause you are only twenty. Give it a couple more years for your natural test to do their thing.

 

[palmer09]

plenty of gains to be had still at 20 aye?

when does the body's testosterone start to level out a little more? around 22?

mmm im definately think about it mate. cheers for that.

But if i still decide to go ahead with the anavar. what would be a good PCT?? (the one i wrote up a couple of posts ago??)

Many thanks people

 

[palmer09]

Anyone?

 

[Militant80]

Im failry new on this site and im only on my 3rd cycle now so im faily inexperienced compared to others on this site but ill give my opinion anyway for what its worth.

Firsty i saw your pic. Your about the same size i was when i was natural. But i started training (if only basic) at 16 and didnt start taking steds till i was 28. Its up to you mate its your body but 20 is pretty young to start introducing extra testosterone to your body. Your still probably growing and developing. I wouldnt recommend steds yet.

But if you are gonna do it the d-bol probably isnt the best while cutting. For me i do Sustanon. Only use 25o a week for your first time. I did 12 weeks. I used D-bol for the first 5 weeks while i was waiting for the test to kick in. I then used Clen at the end to cut the fat.

With re to PCT your read so many different posts and opinions. Some seem so anal about taking exactly this and exactly that. Personally I just ran Nolva only for a month and i was fine after. Start off on 40mg a day for the fist 2 weeks then drop to 20mg a day for the last 2 weeks. I was fine and i had no problems with lag, sexual performance or anything. But thats just my body.

Please know though that steroids are hard to drop once you start. Your only 20 and that early to start. Ive heard so many people say im only gonna do 1 cycle just to get a bit ahead then go natural again (myself included) but Ive never seen anyone stick to that yet.

IMO wait til you are maybe 24 then see how you feel. Check your diet see what other factors you can change first. But if you do start then good luck with it and go with the injectables and avoid d-bol only if your trying to cut. D-bol will pack you full of water. Just use the d-bol as a kick start. Just my humble opinion. Im sure the more experienced guyd will correct me for my poor advice.

Nice Tattoo by the way.

 

[palmer09]

Cheers for that mate

Yeah i know im young at the moment to use them. and its a big factor contributing to me not already taking them.

I'm thinking of starting my cycle (if i do) on the Anavar only to see how i go. And use Nolva 40/40/20/20 like you said (i have already thought that would be sufficient). will be doing a 6ish week course at around 20-30mg per day (prob 30 if i can)

and cheers for the tat comment haha

will keep your opinion in consideration man

 

[joeschmoeBKK]

Here is a sample cycle:

Weeks 1-8 Eat 5000 Cals a day
Week 1-8 Dead Lift, Squats, Benchpress

PCT Eat some more

 

[dark-knight]

how long have you been lifting for? for the first couple of years of training hard and eating more of the right foods you will grow like a weed, especially at your age.

 

[Militant80]

Your welcome bro. If your gonna do it then anavar is a good place to start. Ive not tried it but read up on it and know its one of the milder ones. Nolva should be sufficient for anavar PCT. If you do start then keep comin back to the site. You can never know too much and people (most of us anyway) are pleased to help. Ive learnt so much from readin these forums. This time last year i knew piss all about steroids.

 

[palmer09]

how long have you been lifting for? for the first couple of years of training hard and eating more of the right foods you will grow like a weed, especially at your age.

been lifting since i was 16ish. fair bit of experience with weights. but been on and off with it along with my swimming. however havent swum for a while now because i been going awesome with my MMA so been trying to get bigger and stronger. so i been pretty serious lately with weights. seeing some growth.

one more reason for me to get on them is that im curretnly being sponsored for my MMA fights. and basically all of these guys i'm fighting are on the gear. it sucks because they are getting this advantage and i been going natural. been winning most of my fights however if i was to get to the top ill prob be forced into these (by my sponsors, so they can get their name heard when i win basically)

what should i do?

 

[Militant80]

Ah this changes the equation slightly. If your in a competetive sport and your oponents are on them i can see why you feel pressured to start them. If your still making good gains with natural training though id wait till you have hit a platau before starting. I starting taking them once i reached a point when i just couldnt grow much more but if your gettin bigger now then there may not be any need to start cycling yet (especially if your winning your fights). Its not fair for your sponsors to put pressure on you. Its not their body, its just profit to them. But i know what you mean, they just wanna see you win at whatever cost.
If your into MMA then it depends whether its strength or speed you favour most but things like Dbol will probably slow your speed down a bit as you pack on water weight.
You cant really ask us what you should do in a sense that its YOUR body. Its depends on whats important to you. When you make that choice to start steroids we all know the risks involved and we make a choice on what is important. For me ive always wanted to be bigger. For different reasons, image, pride,confidence, living in a rough neighbourhood, where all factors. I simply decided that my determination to get bigger was worth the risks involved. That was my personal choice. But if your into competetive MMA then its probably inevitable that you will start cycling at some point due to pressure to win from yourself and sponsors. Id maybe hold off for 6 more months and see how you feel. Once you stop improving or start losing fights then maybe think of steppin up to the steds. You can ask advice on what we think is best but to ask if you should or shouldnt start steds its purely a personal choice that you must make. If you do start cycling then the bros here will help with advice but the main issue that i think most people here will say is that if your still making good gains naturally then holding off a bit longer is better. If your winning fights and are good and still all natural just think how proud you would be if you could get close to the top knowing your beating oponents who are technically cheating in a sense and your still natural. If your proressing well, still growing and still winning then why fix something that isnt broken.

 

[palmer09]

makes a lot of sene mate. i know exactly what you mean. if i hold off for a while and keep with natural until i plateau out, it will not only make myself feel more proud and respect myself a bit more but also give me time to do more research and buy the products over time rather than rushing into it. I will see how i go with natural. Hopefully i keep winning haha.

Also ill still be able to enjoy my girlfriend without the risk haha

 

[Militant80]

Good choice mate. If you train hard and reach a platau then you will have earned the right to start cycling. Good luck with the training and competitions anyway bro. If you do start cycling, keep us posted.

 

[palmer09]

Will do mate. If i go down the path of a cycle ill do the anavar only to start with. just letting you's know haha

thanks heaps for everything guys

 

[HITTucker]

why do people cop out when talkin to young bros? its the same thing i read over and over and over, your too young or whatever but if your gonna do it do it this way. i believe people who fequently post should hold a high level of responsibility when on this forum. Just because you started aas when you were 13 and everything turned out fine doesnt mean the same for another bro. However, im not saying your own experience is not relevant. It is hard for some of these young bros to differentiate between someone giving advice and someone simply sharing their experience. It is for me sometimes as well.

 

[Militant80]

HITTucker are you refering to me in that post? If so, i didnt really get your point. Your comment "your too young or whatever but if your gonna do it do it this way". I dont see the issue with that? I agree he is too young and thats my opinion but if he is gonna do it anyway then at least give the guy some idea. Whether he is too young or not if he is gonna do it any way, better he does it with some idea as to what he is doin than do it blindly with no clue! Sorry i just didnt really get your point here. I dont think anyone should be tellin anyone to or not to take steroids but tellin others about your experiences and advice gives them somethin to work off. Of course everyone is different, which is why i stated its his choice. But anyone who starts cycling just cos some guy on a forum had a good experience is just plain stupid.

 

[palmer09]

I understand what Militant was saying. He has givin me really good advice. Made me think twice about using at my age even though im in a sport that basically has everyone involved in it.

and at least he has given me some advice on how much to use and for the PCT as well (which is what i was asking before) so i can do it the safest way possible.

So thankyou millitant

 

[Militant80]

Anytime mate.

 

[Militant80]

With re to what MITTucker is saying though, he is right in the sense that only take what you read here as personal opinions Everyone is different. Common sense and personal judgement should be your main decision maker. But you seem a pretty switched on guy. Ive seen some unbelieveable questions be asked on these sites. I know a guy here where i live (england) who started cycling at 18, he went straight in at a high dose and didnt give a sh*t. Needless to say he lost his girlfriend and numerous friends in the process. He became a total lunatic. Violent and aggressive. But he was a bit of a di*k to begin with so im not suprised. Ha ha.
Be sure to research fully whatever you decide to take and monitor yourself throughout. Ive never had any problems with rage or temper while cycling. But my supplier has recently been banned from driving for violent road rage. I imagine that being in a MMA fight will draw your aggression out, ive never done MMA so i have no experience but its somethin to be mindful of.
I spent 6 months researching sustanon before i even considered sticking it in my body. Know the side effects and what to look out for. But like i said though you seem fairly switched on.