first cycle - help

[jaydee]

hey all - been reading these forums for awhile and just started my first cycle (500mg of test enth p/w), and ive run into sides so i thought i'd ask your opinion on what should be done. so far it goes alittle something like this:

24/01 - 250 mg test enth (first injection ever)
25/01
26/01 - 500 mg test enth (alot of people seem to say that frontloading is a good idea so i thought i'd try it)
27/01
28/01 - nipples start to itch/hurt
29/01 - get hold of 20mg nolva tabs and take one (after a rather loud argument with my doctor and many desperate phone calls)
30/01 - 20 mg nolva
31/01 - 20 mg nolva, 500mg test enth. balls start to shrink (by approx. 20%)
1/02 - 20 mg nolva, balls shrink more (by approx. another 20%).
2/02 - 20 mg nolva, balls shrink yet again (another 10-20%)

so my question is, should i do anything to combat the ball shrinkage? i have clomid and nolva at my disposal - i've read that hcg can be used but im in sydney australia and not sure how easy that is to get. what will happen if i dont take this? appreciate any info you can give me

 

[HAYEZ]

hcg would stop them from shrinking...
for itchy nips you should be usieng arimidex..
nolva clomid will not do anything for shrinkage...they will help with the itchy nips but your better off with arimidex

 

[sweed]

stats?

 

[jaydee]

hcg would stop them from shrinking...
for itchy nips you should be usieng arimidex..
nolva clomid will not do anything for shrinkage...they will help with the itchy nips but your better off with arimidex

if i go without the HCG, do you think i'd see much of a loss in gains because of it?

regarding the itchy nips, are you saying nolva wont cover it? i dont even think i can get my hands on some arimidex :/

thanks for the reply!

 

[HAYEZ]

if i go without the HCG, do you think i'd see much of a loss in gains because of it?

regarding the itchy nips, are you saying nolva wont cover it? i dont even think i can get my hands on some arimidex :/

thanks for the reply!

hcg has nothing to do with gains...its just a recovery tool
nolva will stop your tits from growing...but it wont stop the bloat

 

[crxdog]

Dude order from 4rx.com they deliver here to Australia mate

 

[jaydee]

Dude order from 4rx.com they deliver here to Australia mate

isnt it prescription only? how would it get through post?

to hayez - what do you mean by bloat? sorry im kinda new to all of this

i read that HCG helps your natural testosterone production recover, therefore its easier to keep gains post-cycle...

 

[sweed]

stats?

stats???

 

[cuts82]

isnt it prescription only? how would it get through post?

Lol such a sweet kid....

Bro you wont have any problems but go rx.com , way better imo.

Also as hayez said hcg will put the balls back up to size, get arimedex for the estro sides ie- itchy nips, bloat.
how old are ya mate?

 

[crxdog]

Lol such a sweet kid....

Bro you wont have any problems but go rx.com , way better imo.

Also as hayez said hcg will put the balls back up to size, get arimedex for the estro sides ie- itchy nips, bloat.
how old are ya mate?

I love Johnny Drama !

 

[cuts82]

I love Johnny Drama !

Lol

 

[jaydee]

alright i've ordered some from 4rx - ill keep taking the nolva till i get the arimedex and then hopefully this shit will go away haha.

im 21. i weigh 77kg and im about 6 foot (kinda small, i know )

p.s. entourage rocks!

 

[micksnowdog]

balls shrinking 20% after 7 days? gyno sides after 4 days? you dont have your pct planned out or all pct products at hand before starting? didn't really think this through too well. man you need to get onto needto's underground he'll run you through everything and make sure you dont fuck yourself up. the only sides i ran into in the first week was a will to fuck 3 times as much.

 

[micksnowdog]

yeah and get some hcg. throw out the water it comes with and get some bac water. ask someone else or needto when and how to use it. order it now cos it's sometimes hard to get into aus. trust me! and try Prescription Drugs & Medicines, Indian online pharmacy for all type of generic drugs

 

[jaydee]

needto's underground? whats that?

 

[sweed]

21 yrs old, 6' at 170 . How long u been training? I would wait 2-3 years once u get to 200 imo.

 

[jaydee]

1 year. if i could turn back time i would, but im 2 weeks in and made the investment so i figure i might as well finish. as far as my PCT goes, i was told 20mg nolva/50 mg clomid for 2-3 weeks would be fine. have i been misinformed?

 

[Ronaldo 9]

hey man im same age as u and weigh nearly same as u and height is similar probably!
im about to take ma first cycle also GOOD LUCK MAN

 

[jaydee]

good luck to you too. just make sure you've got nolva/clomid/arimedex on hand like these guys say. i was told by alot of people that i wouldnt even need it but obviously alot of people dont know what they're talking about. best to be safe!

 

[Ronaldo 9]

good luck to you too. just make sure you've got nolva/clomid/arimedex on hand like these guys say. i was told by alot of people that i wouldnt even need it but obviously alot of people dont know what they're talking about. best to be safe!

yup got the nolva only, not the others. I was thinking i was goin to need 2 of them or something lol

 

[jaydee]

yup got the nolva only, not the others. I was thinking i was goin to need 2 of them or something lol

yeah thats all i had at the start and it seems to be atleast stopping the itchy nips from getting any worse. i've ordered some arimedex for it though just incase. it's funny cause alot of my mates go their whole cycle without seeing a single negative side effect....some of them dont even PCT and are still fine..everyone's different i guess.

 

[cuts82]

Yeah for some reason no one knows shit about pct or the drugs used to combat sides over here in australia, 90% of guys i know dont do pct and you know what...... 100% of those guys loose all there gains and strength in about two-three months after the cycle.
Your lucky, you came here got some good advice

 

[crxdog]

Yeah how true you are, the guys i know at the gym that use AAS didnt even know what Novladex & Clomid do let alone PCT!

My Test E arrived today im so excited now all i have to do is wait for the 4rx.com order and then its LIGHT WEIGHT BABY!

Yeah for some reason no one knows shit about pct or the drugs used to combat sides over here in australia, 90% of guys i know dont do pct and you know what...... 100% of those guys loose all there gains and strength in about two-three months after the cycle.
Your lucky, you came here got some good advice

 

[micksnowdog]

needto's underground? whats that?

send a pm to needtogetaas and ask him he'll help you all the way and make sure you can still fuck when you're 30.

 

[jaydee]

send a pm to needtogetaas and ask him he'll help you all the way and make sure you can still fuck when you're 30.

cheers mate, sent him a pm

 

[jaydee]

just thought i'd give you guys a quick update - i'm now 3 weeks into cycle, gyno symptoms completely cleared after 10 days of 20mg nolva ed (its been 7 days since i stopped them and still feel fine). dont feel any different yet, except maybe an increased appetite. i'm now at 79kg but i think it's mostly due to my increased commitment to diet/training.

thanks for all the helpful advice

 

[needtogetaas]

Not sure but I do not remember getting a pm?

 

[jaydee]

Not sure but I do not remember getting a pm?

yeah mate i PM'd you and you told me to take the nolva each day and i'd be fine. spot on advice - you're a champ!

 

[needtogetaas]

yeah mate i PM'd you and you told me to take the nolva each day and i'd be fine. spot on advice - you're a champ!

Fuck sakes i get so many pm's I can't remember them all. Long as people explain things t me in full detail I am always able to help.

 

[jaydee]

Fuck sakes i get so many pm's I can't remember them all. Long as people explain things t me in full detail I am always able to help.

haha yeah i read in another thread that you get an insane amount of PMs each day...so i was surprised that you replied with helpful info so quickly!

right now im just fucking aching to start feeling this shit kick in...is it a sudden thing or does it creep up slowly in your experience?