First Cycle Help

[robigd2923]

I have been reading thru the board quite a bit looking for some first cycle ideas, and needed some advice.

I am 27, 6'3", 195 pounds, 14-15% BF. Diet is in check, and have been working out naturally for a few years.

My main goal is go do something that is relatively safe, with minimal to no water retention, and something that will help me gain LEAN mass, that I will be able to keep post cycle. I am looking to put on around 10-15 pounds at the most (lean).

In looking thru the boards, it seems like the sus/winny combination is pretty popular. Would you recommend this for my first cycle?

If you recommend something else, could you please include the length and doseages?

Thank you in advance for your help!

 

[big greg 82]

sust/winny is fine for a first cycle.... you can even do just a test cycle, or test/eq


run it like this

wks 1-10 sust 500mg
wks 6-10 winny 50mg ed


run an AI through the whole cycle.....

 

[Sean Scott]

please read the newbies sticky it helped me, and may answer most of your questions.

 

[robigd2923]

Thanks for the feedback. Couple of questions.

1. Would starting out at 250mg of sust a week be too weak of a cycle? I have seen some on here doing it, claiming decent results.

2. Will nolva...10-20mg ed, be sufficient? If so, what week would you start taking it?

3. I also plan to use clomid for PST. Is there anything else I should be looking at here?

sust/winny is fine for a first cycle.... you can even do just a test cycle, or test/eq


run it like this

wks 1-10 sust 500mg
wks 6-10 winny 50mg ed


run an AI through the whole cycle.....

 

[Bruce]

read all you want research all you can. the bottom line is you have to find out what works for you. test is the normal first cycle but it is not what i would reccomend as it fucks me up and i don't find the gains to be very keepable. however it works unreal for others so hear are the choices i would recommend.
you can run the standard test cycle but if you want lean mass gains and minimal sides and bloat i would go with equipoise or primo.
eq at 400-600mg ew for 16 weeks
or
primo 600mg ew for 12 weeks
either will work great and give lean gains with no sides and pct should be a cinch. i'd kick it off with tbol personally 50mg ed for the first 4 weeks

 

[sharpshooter]

i would agree that for lean mass without bloat, eq would be a good choice. run it at least 12 weeks, just dont be discouraged as eq takes a long time to kick in, so id advise an oral to kickstart, tbol like bruce said, or anavar for 6 weeks. but test with an AI would be my choice, which was my first cycle, worked like a charm. gained 15 total pounds, kept all of it with proper pct.

1-10 250mg test, oral kickstart if u want, adex or aifm throughout, 6 weeks 40mg nolva ed pct
or
1-14 400mg eq, 1-6 tbol or var, proviron throughout, hcg and nolva pct

just my 2cents.

 

[Bruce]

as long as you have a good ai the whole time and prevent bloat its lean gains. but still test messes with my libido which is a whole other story

 

[robigd2923]

I apologize for nto reading this sticky before posting. I realize that the over-abundance of "First time cycle" posts can probably get really annoying, lol.

I did have one question. Since I will be combining winny with the test, is it necessary to take anything during the cycle as far as gyno is concerned?

Thanks again for your patience and help!

please read the newbies sticky it helped me, and may answer most of your questions.

 

[bmcadoo44]

as long as you have a good ai the whole time and prevent bloat its lean gains. but still test messes with my libido which is a whole other story

in what way does test affect your libido? positively or negatively?

 

[solidspine]

Everything will work great on your first cycle.

To minimize injections and maximize keep able gains

I recommend ten weeks of:


Week 1-10 primo 500mg
Week 1-10 Test E 500mg


Anti E Nolvadex
PCT HCG


OVER

in what way does test affect your libido? positively or negatively?

Test and gear will make you dangerously Horney.

Don’t drink booze or take recreational drugs and gear.