First Cycle Help Please

[TitanInTraining]

Hello all,

I am thinking about this setup for a first cycle...

Weeks 1-8: Sustanon 250 (1mL twice a week)
Weeks 1-10: Arimidex .5mg E3D

Weeks 7-12: Anavar 40mg / day
Weeks 7-12: Proviron 50mg / day

Weeks 1-15: HCG 250iu E4D
Week 16: Nolva 40mg / day
Weeks 17-19: Nolva 20mg / day

I am 37, 5'10", 230#, 16%bf and have been lifting seriously for many years off and on since my early teens. This would be my first adventure into gear, however. My goals are size and strength, with a bit of a cut toward the end.

Can you please provide some feedback and suggestions?

Thanks!

 

[EZ_E]

On & off? How long have you been consistently dieting/training?

~EZ

 

[digit0x]

Hello all,

I am thinking about this setup for a first cycle...

Weeks 1-8: Sustanon 250 (1mL twice a week)
Weeks 1-10: Arimidex .5mg E3D

Weeks 7-12: Anavar 40mg / day
Weeks 7-12: Proviron 50mg / day

Weeks 1-15: HCG 250iu E4D
Week 16: Nolva 40mg / day
Weeks 17-19: Nolva 20mg / day

I am 37, 5'10", 230#, 16%bf and have been lifting seriously for many years off and on since my early teens. This would be my first adventure into gear, however. My goals are size and strength, with a bit of a cut toward the end.

Can you please provide some feedback and suggestions?

Thanks!

You have 250 1ml amps of sust right? So you're going to use 500/week? This is a good setup but I would consider changing the timing. You're going to want to start your PCT 2 weeks after last inject of Sust I believe the longest ester typically put into them is an enanthate or cyp. You're var should be done by the time you start PCT so bump it back two weeks or start PCT later but you may have a period of low test in your blood (proviron will help with that). If you have enough I strongly recommend running the Sust for 10 weeks. For test you will really start packing on the strength/mass by week 5-6 so on 8 weeks you only get a couple weeks of peak growth. 10 weeks best for me my gains will start to taper off by 10.

I know Nelson doesn't suggest running HCG throughout cycle, and I definitely agree running it from day one for a lengthy test cycle is a bad idea because you will desensitize.

I am going to try running the HCG as follows for my next PCT:

1-10 test 11-13 HCG 250iu/week

The test hasn't left the system yet but I'm experimenting with timing. Just micromanagment really, what you have will work. I am just trying to perfect the details.

good luck

 

[TitanInTraining]

On & off? How long have you been consistently dieting/training?

~EZ

Consistently for the last 4-5 years. Before that, I had intermittent breaks that were sometimes as long as 8-12 months, depending on what was going on at the time.

 

[TitanInTraining]

You have 250 1ml amps of sust right? So you're going to use 500/week? This is a good setup but I would consider changing the timing. You're going to want to start your PCT 2 weeks after last inject of Sust I believe the longest ester typically put into them is an enanthate or cyp. You're var should be done by the time you start PCT so bump it back two weeks or start PCT later but you may have a period of low test in your blood (proviron will help with that). If you have enough I strongly recommend running the Sust for 10 weeks. For test you will really start packing on the strength/mass by week 5-6 so on 8 weeks you only get a couple weeks of peak growth. 10 weeks best for me my gains will start to taper off by 10.

I know Nelson doesn't suggest running HCG throughout cycle, and I definitely agree running it from day one for a lengthy test cycle is a bad idea because you will desensitize.

I am going to try running the HCG as follows for my next PCT:

1-10 test 11-13 HCG 250iu/week

The test hasn't left the system yet but I'm experimenting with timing. Just micromanagment really, what you have will work. I am just trying to perfect the details.

good luck

Thanks for your help! I have 10mL vials of Sust 250.

Here is a modified setup...

Weeks 1-12: Sustanon 250 (2mL once a week)
Weeks 1-14: Arimidex 5mg E3D

Weeks 7-12: Anavar 40mg / day
Weeks 7-12: Proviron 50mg / day

Weeks 13-14: 2 week downtime while Sustanon runs its course. Nothing but Arimidex, as described above.

Weeks 6-15: HCG 250iu E4D
Week 15: Nolva 40mg / day
Weeks 16-18: Nolva 20mg / day

Notable changes are...

• It was originally suggested to me that the var overlaps the sust by a week or two only. But, the most recent feedback seems to suggest that I should run the sust through the full duration of the var. So, that has been adjusted.
• Per needto's recommendation, the sust has been changed to 2mL once a week instead of 1mL twice a week
• HCG to start at week 6 instead of week 1

New questions are...

• The Arimidex was added to combat the bloat and other sides from sust, as needed. It originally overlapped the var/proviron section of the cycle, but not by much. Is it OK to run sust, arimidex, var, and proviron all together for the last 6 weeks? Do I still want the arimidex to run a couple weeks after the sust finishes, to help the slower esters along?
• I scaled back the HCG, but according to your recommendations, it seems like it still may be too much. It is my understanding that it's much more helpful to take during the cycle, rather than during PCT, so I'm confused now. Thoughts?
• Does the timing look better?
• Any other input?

Thanks again!!

 

[Nelson Montana]

You'll need a bit more than 250 a week. 500 is relatively moderate.

I'd do a shorter cycle first time out. 6 weeks.

Read the PCT for 2010 STicky.

Get some N2Guard.

 

[TitanInTraining]

You'll need a bit more than 250 a week. 500 is relatively moderate.

I'd do a shorter cycle first time out. 6 weeks.

Read the PCT for 2010 STicky.

Get some N2Guard.

Thanks, Nelson!

The cycle has always been 500mg / week. Originally, it was 250mg twice a week, but I adjusted it to 500mg once a week.

I've read the sticky about PCT. But, honestly, I am often torn by the "traditionalist" vs "otc" approaches to PCT. I'd like to listen to everybody, but at some point, it seems you have to choose a "side". So, I'm left riding the fence.

As far as the N2Guard goes, am I correct in assuming that I take this in addition to my normal supplements? I am not starting PCT until 2 weeks after the last Sustanon pin, so should I take the N2Guard during that time too?

Thanks again!

 

[wiley79]

I would skip the arimidex until you need it, it is a powerful drug that can hinder your gains. If your nipples become sensitive then start using it, dont use it just because you have it, but it is very good to have on hand during cycle. Some people can get into week 3-5 before even touching it. .25 a day every 2-3 days might be better, always start with .25 instead of jumping to the .50 dose.


Just my 2 cents though

 

[Nelson Montana]

Thanks, Nelson!

The cycle has always been 500mg / week. Originally, it was 250mg twice a week, but I adjusted it to 500mg once a week.

I've read the sticky about PCT. But, honestly, I am often torn by the "traditionalist" vs "otc" approaches to PCT. I'd like to listen to everybody, but at some point, it seems you have to choose a "side". So, I'm left riding the fence.

As far as the N2Guard goes, am I correct in assuming that I take this in addition to my normal supplements? I am not starting PCT until 2 weeks after the last Sustanon pin, so should I take the N2Guard during that time too?

Thanks again!

I didn;t see that you said 250 twice a week. Thats fine. 500 at once will be painful though.

The trouble with traditional PCt is it doesn;t work very well for a lot of people. But I guess you'll have to find out for yourself.

Use the N2 while on. POST CYCLE afterwards.

 

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