First Actual cycle, Tren, Test, Winny

[Selfcentor]

test and anavar is fine for a first cycle-

if you want to cut up, the prop +the var is perfect or as selfcentor say prop and winny (b/c you have used it before)

and I also agree with selfcentor--i really like test only for #1

save the tren for way down the road.

Thanks bro. You have helped me in the past so trying to help him out. But im also a firm beleiver in start small and eventully go big

 

[RaisenTheLimits]

thanks to all you guys, i cant express my appreciation for people that actually have the decency to spend there time to help others. so now i just have to think about running the prop by its self or with the winney or the var. Either way it seems pretty mild but DEFF! a good start that will probably humble the shit out of me. Im thinkin more along the lines of the var though because this winney i used actually didnt cut me up as much as i expected, actually it was quiet wierd, actually packed 11 pounds (prob due to diet) on and kept roughly around 7 of it. Did see a some deffinition change, but very mild seemed to retain some water.my abs deff did improve though.which do you believe would be optimum for cutting? more along the lines of anavar with the prop? I plan on restricting my diet accordingly, with lots of cardio implemented into my daily routine.
I currently lift monday through friday, and run 3-4 times a week for 30 minutes and also on sundays.
schedule:
Monday:Chest, tap out tries
Tuesday:back tap out bies
Wednesday:quads and calves
thursday:Hams and shoulders
Friday: bies and tries.
abs 3-4 times a week with cardio 3-4 times a week, counting sunday.

 

[Nelson Montana]

A mess.

Too many compounds.

Tren is the wrong call.

Using nolva with tren will be a disaster.

You can't possibly need nolva with winny and proviron. They can not aromatize.

Do more research bro.

 

[eddymerckx]

thanks to all you guys, i cant express my appreciation for people that actually have the decency to spend there time to help others. so now i just have to think about running the prop by its self or with the winney or the var. Either way it seems pretty mild but DEFF! a good start that will probably humble the shit out of me. Im thinkin more along the lines of the var though because this winney i used actually didnt cut me up as much as i expected, actually it was quiet wierd, actually packed 11 pounds (prob due to diet) on and kept roughly around 7 of it. Did see a some deffinition change, but very mild seemed to retain some water.my abs deff did improve though.which do you believe would be optimum for cutting? more along the lines of anavar with the prop? I plan on restricting my diet accordingly, with lots of cardio implemented into my daily routine.
I currently lift monday through friday, and run 3-4 times a week for 30 minutes and also on sundays.
schedule:
Monday:Chest, tap out tries
Tuesday:back tap out bies
Wednesday:quads and calves
thursday:Hams and shoulders
Friday: bies and tries.
abs 3-4 times a week with cardio 3-4 times a week, counting sunday.

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I gifted you a plat for a week to do a lot of searches--and just ask that if you like what you see--an you will, that you consider a plat for yourself.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I would recomend a test only cycle as your first one, and lots of research.
How old are you bro?

 

[RaisenTheLimits]

I would recomend a test only cycle as your first one, and lots of research.
How old are you bro?

Im 23, Yea i thought id need the proviron for the test, but i guess i should be doing more research, i guess i was WAY off, jesus! thanks so much guys honestly if i could shake your hands i would. Hat goes off to you all.

And as far as for eddy, man thank you so much man, i will deff. get the plat. membership man i DEF! owe it to you brother. Thanks again.

 

[wzkid]

Hey everyone, so im planning my first cycle, I ran winny once before for 6 weeks and got awsome! results actually. I am 6'0 at 190 lb. Ive got roughly around 14% BF and am looking go really cutt up with lean quality mass. So this is going to be my next cycle, im really looking forward to it. Let me know what you guys think.

weeks 1-6 tren acetate 75 mg EOD

weeks 1-8 test prop 100 mg EOD

weeks 3-8 winstrol- stanozolol 50 EOD

weeks 1-8 proviron 50 mg ED


PCT - post cycle therapy -

HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - wk 6-8 1500iu mon/wen/fri
(Ive also read you should use HCG during cycle like on wednesdays and sundays @ 50iu weeks 1-8? is this needed if i will be running proviron? no huh. And what about running Nolv. through out the cycle? any word on that?

three days after last injection
week 1 40mg of Nolvaldex ED
week 2 20mg of Nolvaldex ED
week 3 20mg of Nolvaldex ED

Also anyone know where to get propecia? so i dont lose my hair? it runs in the family severly! is it ONLY through doctor?

Any suggestions as far as running the winny as well? if i want quality lean mass, should i start winney in week 1?
thanks guys! Lookin forward to your comments!

Hell get rid of the proviron, and that is my exact same first cycle. My diet didnt have enough calories so I didnt get too much size but, I cut up rather nice on those doses.

Good Luck Bro

 

[RaisenTheLimits]

wow really? well good to know man thank you, but yea i still think i might just stick to the test for my first time although i have ran winny with great results, loved it but joint problems deff came along with it.Im pretty sure ive got tendinitis like a MOFO but out of curiosity what was your PCT like wzkid? thx again for your post!

 

[wzkid]

Pretty uneventful because of the low doses and I used HCG @250iu EOD throughout the cycle. Used nolva @40/40/20/20 along with Derma Original during PCT and recovered nice. Was on for about 12 wks total so took off exactly 12 wks and hopped back on at a little higher dose. Im on Number 3 right now and still loving it!

 

[wzkid]

i still think i might just stick to the test for my first time

Smart move by the way. Remember that as time goes on you will learn so much more than you know now about gear. You made need that knowledge before you start incorporating harsh stuff like tren.