Finished 3x5, new routine?

[ark94]

Well, the gains have been good. And the weights have gone up. I did have a lot of trouble with my squatting and benching form at first, fixed my bench form last month, and squat form just recently. So that's why the squat number is so low.

I started Rippetoe's 3x5 on January 15th ish.
START END
Squat - 80lb 135lb
Deadlift - 120lb 215lb
Bench Press - 115lb 140lb
Military Press - 60lb 90lb
Bent Row - 75lb 125lb


Now, in my next routine i want to at the bare minimum keep squat, deadlift, and bench press. I would really like to keep military press too, bent row i don't care if its taken out or not.

I am looking around still, but would like some suggestions on a routine. I have a great diet, so don't worry about that, but im looking to gain size rather than strength.

What should i try for size? Is the rep range 6-8? And how many sets? Any recommended routines?

 

[oso0960]

Madcow's 5x5. Look in the sticky at the top of the page titled Training Vault.

 

[oso0960]

Bill Starr 5x5 - Madcow Intermediate or Linear Version

Forgot that the geocites link doesn't work.

 

[ark94]

Bill Starr 5x5 - Madcow Intermediate or Linear Version

Forgot that the geocites link doesn't work.

thanks, i just checked it and was bout to say the link is dead. ill look into this one .

 

[JDid23]

I don't think you've reached your full potential on the 3x5, so i think you should reconsider sticking with it for a little longer. I also think something like 5x5, 5/3/1 or a routine some of us could help you make would be good. Does it seem like squatting 3x per week seems to take a serious tole on your body and hamper your progress? If so, I think 5/3/1 or a 3-4 day full body routine would be good. However, if you feel like squatting 3x per week isn't going to be an issue, 5x5 would be ideal. Also, you're not going to have 5x5 with the same amount of weights like you have to do in rippetoes 3x5. Instead, you'll be working up to your final set of 5 reps, so that might actually benefit you a lot since there is extra form work involved on the lighter sets.

What do you think?

 

[Tblock1]

I don't think you've reached your full potential on the 3x5, so i think you should reconsider sticking with it for a little longer. I also think something like 5x5, 5/3/1 or a routine some of us could help you make would be good. Does it seem like squatting 3x per week seems to take a serious tole on your body and hamper your progress? If so, I think 5/3/1 or a 3-4 day full body routine would be good. However, if you feel like squatting 3x per week isn't going to be an issue, 5x5 would be ideal. Also, you're not going to have 5x5 with the same amount of weights like you have to do in rippetoes 3x5. Instead, you'll be working up to your final set of 5 reps, so that might actually benefit you a lot since there is extra form work involved on the lighter sets.

What do you think?

Don't thing you are ready for 5x5 either ark. You should be intermediate class before you start that. EM always has good ideas for simple routines, maybe he will chime in.

Day 1:
Squat
Weighted pullups
rows

Day 2:
Bench
military press
triceps extensions
curls

Day 3:
deadlift
hypers

Just something really simple like the above would be great in my opinion, and you could add a 4th day or add front squats one day or whatever.

 

[JDid23]

Don't thing you are ready for 5x5 either ark. You should be intermediate class before you start that. EM always has good ideas for simple routines, maybe he will chime in.

Day 1:
Squat
Weighted pullups
rows

Day 2:
Bench
military press
triceps extensions
curls

Day 3:
deadlift
hypers

Just something really simple like the above would be great in my opinion, and you could add a 4th day or add front squats one day or whatever.

To be honest, something like that seems almost too simple and it imo it isn't a full body routine as you have bench/military/triceps back to back to back and not nearly enough leg work. Ark wants to base his routine off of squats, deads, bench, military, and rows as he's already said. That's a great idea and it's why i think something like 5/3/1 would be perfect for him. However, the only possible downside (which isn't that bad) i see is that he will be using weight that seems almost too light for squats- this might help his form, but it wouldn't allow him to become acclamated to heavier weights.

Having said that, I think your squat could use some assistance work like lunges, leg press, front squats (and i know you want to try those), etc. and 5/3/1 would do a good job of optimally implementing this since you've only been focusing on squatting to help your squatting. If the 5/3/1 interests you, let me know- BBlazer is a huge advocate of this program so maybe if he sees this he can chime in and let you know if he thinks it's right for you or not. 5/3/1 is a simple template- take 90% of your 1RM and use that as your 1RM for calculations. You have 2 warmup sets each time and one week, you'll use 85% of your 1RM for 5+ reps, next is 90% for 3+ reps, and next is 95% for 1+ reps followed by a deload week. You push yourself during each of the last sets so if you were squatting 115 for 5+ reps and are able to do 12, then do 12. Then, you pick assistance work to help each exercise so if you want to help your military press, you might choose dips and some other exercises or you can do something like 5x10 with 50% of your 1RM

If you don't like the look of the 5/3/1, making up a program would definitely be a good idea!

 

[Tblock1]

To be honest, something like that seems almost too simple and it imo it isn't a full body routine as you have bench/military/triceps back to back to back and not nearly enough leg work. Ark wants to base his routine off of squats, deads, bench, military, and rows as he's already said. That's a great idea and it's why i think something like 5/3/1 would be perfect for him. However, the only possible downside (which isn't that bad) i see is that he will be using weight that seems almost too light for squats- this might help his form, but it wouldn't allow him to become acclamated to heavier weights.

Having said that, I think your squat could use some assistance work like lunges, leg press, front squats (and i know you want to try those), etc. and 5/3/1 would do a good job of optimally implementing this since you've only been focusing on squatting to help your squatting. If the 5/3/1 interests you, let me know- BBlazer is a huge advocate of this program so maybe if he sees this he can chime in and let you know if he thinks it's right for you or not. 5/3/1 is a simple template- take 90% of your 1RM and use that as your 1RM for calculations. You have 2 warmup sets each time and one week, you'll use 85% of your 1RM for 5+ reps, next is 90% for 3+ reps, and next is 95% for 1+ reps followed by a deload week. You push yourself during each of the last sets so if you were squatting 115 for 5+ reps and are able to do 12, then do 12. Then, you pick assistance work to help each exercise so if you want to help your military press, you might choose dips and some other exercises or you can do something like 5x10 with 50% of your 1RM

If you don't like the look of the 5/3/1, making up a program would definitely be a good idea!

Just my opinion, but I personally think he could make a lot better progress on a simple 5 pound progression. Then once he reaches your level of strength he could switch to 5/3/1. I just don't think he needs a routine like that yet. As for leg work, I assumed with that routine that he would add whatever other accesory work he wanted, ie stiff leg deadlifts, lunges, front squats, etc. This is definitely a case of KISS.

 

[JDid23]

Just my opinion, but I personally think he could make a lot better progress on a simple 5 pound progression. Then once he reaches your level of strength he could switch to 5/3/1. I just don't think he needs a routine like that yet. As for leg work, I assumed with that routine that he would add whatever other accesory work he wanted, ie stiff leg deadlifts, lunges, front squats, etc. This is definitely a case of KISS.

yeah exactly- that's the possible downside of 5/3/1 for him at this point i feel like. And yeah- i wasn't sure whether your routine was actually serious or not or just a rough draft

 

[ark94]

Well, tblock i agree with you that i have not reached my full potential on this routine. And it only has been 4 months, i should be doing it for 6-8 or so?

Jdid, i think i am going to wait a month, or 2 before i start anything else. Just trying to get some ideas now. However i like the idea of the 5/3/1 but it seems to complicated, and i would rather step up to something else, then go to that one.

I do want to add front squats into my next routine, rows don't matter to me as long as im pressing, squatting (back,front), benching, and deadlifting. Then w/e else added on is cool with me.

 

[SouthernLord]

I think you should continue on with the 3x5. You're making good progress, so why fix what isn't broke?

If you want to try front squats do them on the day you deadlift.

Definitely keep the rows. They are a foundation lift, and since you want to drop them you should do them more Get them up to 135 and start rowing from the floor. These have a lot of carry over to your deadlift.

 

[Tblock1]

Well, tblock i agree with you that i have not reached my full potential on this routine. And it only has been 4 months, i should be doing it for 6-8 or so?

Jdid, i think i am going to wait a month, or 2 before i start anything else. Just trying to get some ideas now. However i like the idea of the 5/3/1 but it seems to complicated, and i would rather step up to something else, then go to that one.

I do want to add front squats into my next routine, rows don't matter to me as long as im pressing, squatting (back,front), benching, and deadlifting. Then w/e else added on is cool with me.

This is a bad way to think trust me. You must have rows in your routine if you are benching, as a matter of fact probably as much as you are benching you should be rowing. I never did rows, and was on the smolov jr for bench so I was benching 3-4 times very heavy and hard a week. I developed some bad rotary cuff pain, and couldn't do bench without pain. As soon as I went on the 5x5 and started rows I corrected this, I was becnhing too much and had a HUGE strength imbalance between my rowing and benching strength. I could do 135x8 strict on rows but was benching 255. The coolest thing about rows though is what sl said: my deadlift shot up when I started doing them. I am now doing penlday rows which em suggested (thanks em) and they are 1000% better to me. You get to be really explosive and it almost feels like a deadlift lol. Hopefulyl my form is good....

 

[z66x]

I think you should continue on with the 3x5. You're making good progress, so why fix what isn't broke?

If you want to try front squats do them on the day you deadlift.

Definitely keep the rows. They are a foundation lift, and since you want to drop them you should do them more Get them up to 135 and start rowing from the floor. These have a lot of carry over to your deadlift.

Are you not supposed to row from the floor? Cause that's what I do.. :S

and what does all the 1rm and stuff mean??

 

[Tblock1]

Are you not supposed to row from the floor? Cause that's what I do.. :S

and what does all the 1rm and stuff mean??

Well I like rowing from the floor because it carries over the deadlift more. But I used to row just above the floor. 1rm= 1 rep max or the max weight you can do for one rep

 

[z66x]

How do you row above the floor though.. Do you have it resting on something like the bars from a power rack maybe? I like floor rows they're fine.

 

[Tblock1]

How do you row above the floor though.. Do you have it resting on something like the bars from a power rack maybe? I like floor rows they're fine.

No when you do 45 degree bent barbell rows the weight will not be touching the ground. You have to go 90 degrees or so to get it to touch the ground

YouTube - barbell bent over row

 

[ExtraMile]

what was wrong with the link to the routine i posted in your log?

 

[ark94]

what was wrong with the link to the routine i posted in your log?

Lol nothing was wrong with it, i just didn't get it. But i didn't have time to fully read it through thoroughly. It looked good, but i have to read it all out.

I guess right now too though i have to stay with the 3x5, until i am burnt out of it, and i can't get any more progress from it. I decided now, that with all my lifts, i am going to try and stay if i have to, a maximum of 3 workouts, no more at that weight then move up. Hopefully progress will go quicker.

I think by 6 months, so June 15th or so i can switch up my routine. Plus i will have more time to look into routines and whatnot and read up on them since school will be close to being out.

However, what are your opinions on what i should be doing? Strength, or just go for mass? I know the routines differ quite a bit though, so im trying to decide. Im thinking if you progress in 5 rep workouts, and your weights go up then you should obviously be gaining mass?

 

[ark94]

This was posted in my workout log by Jdid.

What about something like this ark can do after rippetoes? Just a simple full body routine i made that i think he'd enjoy- any ideas about it?

Monday
Back Squat
Military Press
Pullups/Chinups
Pullthroughs
Calves

Wednesday
Bench Press
Row
Lunges
Tricep Isolation
Abs

Friday
Deadlift
Front Squat
Dips
Curl Variant
Calves

I like that routine, maybe others could chime in and critique it though? But now im curious, if im switching what is my rep range going to be? 6-8? or still 5 reps? and how many sets?

 

[Tblock1]

Looks like a lot of fun to me!
1. Don't think you need 2 days of calves a week, but you can if you want to.
2. Once you can get 3x10 or so on pullups add some weight, same with dips.
3. There may be a problem though because you are working your back hard 3 days a week, you are doing pullups one day, rows another, AND deadlifts.Maybe move 2 of the exercises to one day? I do pullups and rows and mondays and deadlifts on fridays.
4. I'm liking the lunges, but again you would be working your legs 3 days a week which could be a little much. 2 squat variation, lunges, and deadlifts is a lot. If it works for you, it works, but you might want to choose between lunges and front squats.

 

[JDid23]

Looks like a lot of fun to me!
1. Don't think you need 2 days of calves a week, but you can if you want to.
2. Once you can get 3x10 or so on pullups add some weight, same with dips.
3. There may be a problem though because you are working your back hard 3 days a week, you are doing pullups one day, rows another, AND deadlifts.Maybe move 2 of the exercises to one day? I do pullups and rows and mondays and deadlifts on fridays.
4. I'm liking the lunges, but again you would be working your legs 3 days a week which could be a little much. 2 squat variation, lunges, and deadlifts is a lot. If it works for you, it works, but you might want to choose between lunges and front squats.

1. Calves should be hit hard... that is if he wants to keep them- i put them in as an option.
2. I am going to respectfully disagree. I think 1 set of 10 should mean he can move onto weighted pullups. 3x10 is a hell of a lot and by that time, he'll be able to use a lot of weight.
3. That's perfectly fine- it's a full body routine and that's the point of it. Instead of hitting deads/rows/pullups on the same day, you do them on separate days to try to get the most out of them- same concept with the benching/dips and such. In a body part split that's correct, but in full body i think this is ok.
4. Same as #3. He's also working his legs 3 days a week at the moment with 15 heavy sets of squats per week- he won't have 15 heavy sets of squats per week in this routine, so if anything his leg work is going down a notch by spreading it out. Hopefully, the lunges and front squats will help his leg strength and translate into a higher back squat.

 

[Tblock1]

1. Calves should be hit hard... that is if he wants to keep them- i put them in as an option.
2. I am going to respectfully disagree. I think 1 set of 10 should mean he can move onto weighted pullups. 3x10 is a hell of a lot and by that time, he'll be able to use a lot of weight.
3. That's perfectly fine- it's a full body routine and that's the point of it. Instead of hitting deads/rows/pullups on the same day, you do them on separate days to try to get the most out of them- same concept with the benching/dips and such. In a body part split that's correct, but in full body i think this is ok.
4. Same as #3. He's also working his legs 3 days a week at the moment with 15 heavy sets of squats per week- he won't have 15 heavy sets of squats per week in this routine, so if anything his leg work is going down a notch by spreading it out. Hopefully, the lunges and front squats will help his leg strength and translate into a higher back squat.

2. Okay but 3x10 isn't that much in my opinion. I think you should be doing at as minimum a max set of 10-12 at bodyweight before you do weighted pullups.
3. Okay but I think even with full body he should do pullups and rows on the same day, or only work the back 2 days.
4. Same as above.

The reason I am saying the things about over working is because ark94 is always talking about how he is worried about overtraining. But if he does that and feels fine he'll be good, it's about how much you eat and rest. BTW because I always see barbell lunges in your log I decided to replace front squats with them and I did them yesterday. They are great I love them lol!!!!!!

 

[JDid23]

2. Okay but 3x10 isn't that much in my opinion. I think you should be doing at as minimum a max set of 10-12 at bodyweight before you do weighted pullups.
3. Okay but I think even with full body he should do pullups and rows on the same day, or only work the back 2 days.
4. Same as above.

The reason I am saying the things about over working is because ark94 is always talking about how he is worried about overtraining. But if he does that and feels fine he'll be good, it's about how much you eat and rest. BTW because I always see barbell lunges in your log I decided to replace front squats with them and I did them yesterday. They are great I love them lol!!!!!!

2. I think one set of 10 is good and that's from experience- i know i am not that advanced, but after my first set of 10 on chins, i can only do around 5-6 and i can do them weighted just fine. Same with dips- i'm not using too much weight yet, but it's all about progression and i think it's more efficient to go up in weight + reps instead of just going for 3x10 because i think that can take some time.

3. Why do you think that? I think that if he does pullups/rows/deadlifts on different days that it's fine. This is because the frequency is still the same as if he were doing a body part split with arguably less work than one would have for back (even though this is all that's needed imo). He's just splitting it up.

4. same as above

Also, Ark eats a hell of a lot of food which leads me to believe he can handle something like this. I think that the implementation of new exercises might take some time to get used to, but in the long run i see them having nothing but positive effects on his big lifts and aesthetic gains.

btw, i do dumbbell lunges loooooooool I should try BB ones though- i heard they're crazy.

 

[ark94]

Well, i love the idea of the routine, and im not so sure about chinups and your debates about it 3x10 is going to be hella hard, but i can see how it goes. I am thinking going with 1x10 then adding weight.

I was thinking that in the routine again i am hitting my legs 3 times a week. I know i want to keep front squat, but i would also love to give lunges a try. do you suggest doing legs 3 times? It is different muscle groups so maybe it will go better for me then back squatting 3 times a week.

 

[ExtraMile]

again, whats wrong with the link I posted in your log? It was called the ultimate training split for a reason lol

 

[JDid23]

Well, i love the idea of the routine, and im not so sure about chinups and your debates about it 3x10 is going to be hella hard, but i can see how it goes. I am thinking going with 1x10 then adding weight.

I was thinking that in the routine again i am hitting my legs 3 times a week. I know i want to keep front squat, but i would also love to give lunges a try. do you suggest doing legs 3 times? It is different muscle groups so maybe it will go better for me then back squatting 3 times a week.

Well the difference will be that you wouldn't be back squatting heavy for 9 sets per week (wow, did i really say 15 before? lool), but rather 2-3 sets depending on what you do. Front Squats will be around the same, but you can't compare lunges/pullthroughs (which you already do on the same day as back squats) to back squats as they don't involve nearly the same amount of muscles to the degree that back squats involve them.

The whole idea behind a full body routine is that you are splitting up the work of body parts into different days so you can hit them more efficiently.(well that does depend, but in your case i think it's fine). Lets say one typically has a back/bis day consisting of deadlifts, rows, pullups, and curls. If they do deads/curls on monday, rows on wednesday, and pullups on friday, they're still using the same amount of volume as if they were doing it on 1 day.

 

[Tblock1]

again, whats wrong with the link I posted in your log? It was called the ultimate training split for a reason lol

No offense em but I think the routine ark is looking at now looks best for him.
Ark: get to 1x10 bodyweight then add weight. Try adding 10 pounds at first, and work up from there. Good luck your routine looks really fun

 

[ark94]

No offense em but I think the routine ark is looking at now looks best for him.
Ark: get to 1x10 bodyweight then add weight. Try adding 10 pounds at first, and work up from there. Good luck your routine looks really fun

Yeah i am going to start with what jdid posted first. And from May or so (whenever i start) i am going to do that routine till about November then switch it up again. Hopefully by then i would have advanced enough to get into some intermediate things or whatever is suggested.

First thing i wanted to know was set range, and rep range. Also do i increase like normal? Or am i doing anything special? etc etc

So now that i got the routine down. Any ideas on what sorts of lifts i want to be doing? I know this may sound stupid, but its for the lunges, tricep isolation, curl variant, calves, pullthroughs, and abs.

Tricep Isolation - I assume i am using the cables and pulling down with a bar, or a rope?
Lunges - Front? Or back?
Curl Variant - I know how to curl, but really want some input on the best way, and good form.
Calves - Never done anything with calves before, any ideas?
Pullthroughs - I assume this is Bent Row?
Abs - I do barbell situps, anything else? I know there are tons of others but again, i would like to know the best ones to do.

Also, if you have any videos for any of them, that would be great also.

Thanks

 

[JDid23]

Yeah i am going to start with what jdid posted first. And from May or so (whenever i start) i am going to do that routine till about November then switch it up again. Hopefully by then i would have advanced enough to get into some intermediate things or whatever is suggested.

First thing i wanted to know was set range, and rep range. Also do i increase like normal? Or am i doing anything special? etc etc

So now that i got the routine down. Any ideas on what sorts of lifts i want to be doing? I know this may sound stupid, but its for the lunges, tricep isolation, curl variant, calves, pullthroughs, and abs.

Tricep Isolation - I assume i am using the cables and pulling down with a bar, or a rope?
Lunges - Front? Or back?
Curl Variant - I know how to curl, but really want some input on the best way, and good form.
Calves - Never done anything with calves before, any ideas?
Pullthroughs - I assume this is Bent Row?
Abs - I do barbell situps, anything else? I know there are tons of others but again, i would like to know the best ones to do.

Also, if you have any videos for any of them, that would be great also.

Thanks

Tricep isolation is whatever you want it to be for tris- pushdowns, skull crushers, extensions, etc.
Lunges- to the front- walking if you want- with DBs or a BB
Curl Variant- Some people say w/e you can use the most weight with (typically BB Curls) and others say DB Curls if you have 1 arm that's a considerable amount more developed than the other arm (DB Curls). It's not something that's going to effect your training that much, so do whatever you want imo.
Calves- Standing or Seated. I put calves in as an option- not sure if you want bigger calves, but if you do try them high reps and high intensity.
Pullthroughs- Nope. It's a posterior chain exercise and it's pretty underrated. Andalite turned me onto them. Here's a vid: YouTube - Cable Pull Throughs I don't think you need to bend over that far, but that's the lift.
Abs- Lot of debates over abs. I like planks, renegade rows (my favorite), leg raises, decline situps, and some more. Try some out and see which ones you like best.

 

[ark94]

Thanks Jdid, i am going to see that probodybuilder that lives near me tomorrow. He said he wouldn't mind sitting down with me and looking over my routine, telling me what works and what doesn't, giving me suggestions.

Before i go though, i ask this for a final time. Rep Range, and Set range. Is it entirely what i want to go for? Or since you guys know my lifts a bit better, you suggest something else. should i stick to the old 5 reps, 3 sets for every lift i do, including calves etc. Or should i do 8reps on all my lifts, and more sets?

What is suggested? And since its sort of a split now, the rep and set ranges are different are they not? So what do i want to be aiming for? Any clarification on this?

 

[JDid23]

Thanks Jdid, i am going to see that probodybuilder that lives near me tomorrow. He said he wouldn't mind sitting down with me and looking over my routine, telling me what works and what doesn't, giving me suggestions.

Before i go though, i ask this for a final time. Rep Range, and Set range. Is it entirely what i want to go for? Or since you guys know my lifts a bit better, you suggest something else. should i stick to the old 5 reps, 3 sets for every lift i do, including calves etc. Or should i do 8reps on all my lifts, and more sets?

What is suggested? And since its sort of a split now, the rep and set ranges are different are they not? So what do i want to be aiming for? Any clarification on this?

Wow- pro BBer- that's awesome!!!!! just make sure he doesn't give you some ridiculous routine with tons of volume if he does give you one.

For sets/reps, it should depend on your goals. Maybe you'd enjoy something like this;


Monday
Back Squat- 3x5-8 (once you hit 8 reps with a given weight, move up and do that weight until you can hit 5 reps again. I would go back in weight to maybe 125 or 130 so you have more room for progression)
Military Press- 3x3- (doing these with higher reps can get really frustrating sometimes. I think for you, seeing the weight go up if you were to start with something like 80 lbs would be really good.)
Pullups/Chinups- 3-5 sets sub failure
Pullthroughs- 3x12
Calves- 5x15 (if you want to do calves that is..... hit them heavy and hard!)

Wednesday
Bench Press- 3x5 (you seem to be progressing nicely with this.)
Row- 3x8 (just a suggestion. not going to matter if you do something like 3x5)
Lunges- 3x20 (10 per leg)
Tricep Isolation
Abs

Friday
Deadlift- 2x3 (just a suggestion once again. I wouldn't go higher than 5-6 reps for more than 2-3 sets).
Front Squat- 3x5
Dips- 3-5 sets sub failure
Curl Variant
Calves- 5x15


Good luck and let us know how the convo with the BBer goes.

 

[ark94]

Wow- pro BBer- that's awesome!!!!! just make sure he doesn't give you some ridiculous routine with tons of volume if he does give you one.

For sets/reps, it should depend on your goals. Maybe you'd enjoy something like this;


Monday
Back Squat- 3x5-8 (once you hit 8 reps with a given weight, move up and do that weight until you can hit 5 reps again. I would go back in weight to maybe 125 or 130 so you have more room for progression)
Military Press- 3x3- (doing these with higher reps can get really frustrating sometimes. I think for you, seeing the weight go up if you were to start with something like 80 lbs would be really good.)
Pullups/Chinups- 3-5 sets sub failure
Pullthroughs- 3x12
Calves- 5x15 (if you want to do calves that is..... hit them heavy and hard!)

Wednesday
Bench Press- 3x5 (you seem to be progressing nicely with this.)
Row- 3x8 (just a suggestion. not going to matter if you do something like 3x5)
Lunges- 3x20 (10 per leg)
Tricep Isolation
Abs

Friday
Deadlift- 2x3 (just a suggestion once again. I wouldn't go higher than 5-6 reps for more than 2-3 sets).
Front Squat- 3x5
Dips- 3-5 sets sub failure
Curl Variant
Calves- 5x15


Good luck and let us know how the convo with the BBer goes.

Thanks man i appreciate that, keep in mind im going to be showing him what you have suggested, get him to critique and add whatever, and come back here. Kinda scary talking to him though hhaha, he has an extremely un fucking normal deep voice, and he weighs in off season 300lbs, and 242lb contest. That was like a year or more ago he said, now he told me he was fucking 342lb... jeez.

But he is a really nice and willing guy, he opened a store called BodySystems near me, and its like GNC but he doesn't tell you to buy this that or the other, or sell really expensive. He actually recommends products hahha and doesn't even pressure you into buying, he could care less. So he said i could come in, and with his experience he will show me what works (for him based on my plan for a routine) and what doesn't etc to get big.

Hopefully all goes well! I will have what he suggested posted up here tomorrow night i hope.

 

[JDid23]

Thanks man i appreciate that, keep in mind im going to be showing him what you have suggested, get him to critique and add whatever, and come back here. Kinda scary talking to him though hhaha, he has an extremely un fucking normal deep voice, and he weighs in off season 300lbs, and 242lb contest. That was like a year or more ago he said, now he told me he was fucking 342lb... jeez.

But he is a really nice and willing guy, he opened a store called BodySystems near me, and its like GNC but he doesn't tell you to buy this that or the other, or sell really expensive. He actually recommends products hahha and doesn't even pressure you into buying, he could care less. So he said i could come in, and with his experience he will show me what works (for him based on my plan for a routine) and what doesn't etc to get big.

Hopefully all goes well! I will have what he suggested posted up here tomorrow night i hope.

sounds awesome dude... really curious to hear what he has to say. good luck!