Finally turning to the dark side ( first cycle )

[DarkerTimes]

Hi All,

I've finally decided to take the plunge so to speak. I'm 30 and have been training for around five years, I weigh around 92-95kgs depending on the week.
I have a (fairly) clean diet- I'm not a model or a wannabe pro and I'm under no illusions about this- I have the odd takeout maybe twice a month. The rest of the time it's loads of pasta and chicken as I genuinely enjoy eating that type of food.

I work with the "5-3-1" program and use the boring but big template.

Stats. 105 kg OHP, 150 BH, 150 SQ, 240 DL

What I am wanting to achieve from steroids? I'm looking for a little bit of a kick to get me moving forward again as I'm at the point where I'm having good weeks and bad weeks training wise, but can rarely have an "amazing workout" anymore. I'm either on it or not quite there.
Im not going to say money isn't an issue but I can afford (and I'm smart enough) to do it properly.

I want to use test but can't decide which type would be best so I'm looking for some honest advice guys. I'm after quality not quantity, I'm 90% happy with how I look and perform- I just want that extra 10% now.

Any honest advice and, experiences more so! Would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers Fellas

 

[1Johnboy]

Why would you call it the dark side. This is making it sound bad.

 

[DarkerTimes]

Trying to open with a humorous note Fella, nothing else in it

 

[Labtec70]

Hi brother

I'm not as clued up as many on EF around AAS but I've used many in the past have been on HRT (Sustanon 250) for longer than I care to remember.

Firstly, I'd do a bit of research and reading about the many options open to you.
Secondly, make sure your medically fit enough to do a steroid cycle.
Third...be aware that on cycle and post cycle support needs are met before starting any cycle.
Fourth...Don't sacrifice diet and exercise just because you're cycling. It is as important as ever.

As for what to use?

Many usually opt for a simple testosterone based cycle for a first:

Testosterone enanthate or cypionate at 250mg-500mg a week maximum. If you go for an oral cycle of Winstrol or Anavar then you'll still need at least a therapeutic amount of testosterone due to the shutdown effects of the orals. In this case, Winstrol is more supressive than Anavar, but they are both to some extent supressive.

Personally, I'd just go with a basic testosterone cycle for 8-10 weeks and see how it goes. You will make some good gains with this should all else be equal.

I'm sure others will have more to chime in with advice and suggestions.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

Craig

 

[DarkerTimes]

Hi Craig,

Thanks for the response fella.

I've looked into this a fair bit and I'm liking the sound of Cyp or Prop.

I'm being honest with my diet and like I said; I quite literally have a couple of takeouts a month otherwise I'm clean as. Dropping the takeouts won't be an issue.

I have the resources and cash-flow to do it right.

Is there much of a difference between compounds?

 

[bonacris]

Hi Craig,

Thanks for the response fella.

I've looked into this a fair bit and I'm liking the sound of Cyp or Prop.

I'm being honest with my diet and like I said; I quite literally have a couple of takeouts a month otherwise I'm clean as. Dropping the takeouts won't be an issue.

I have the resources and cash-flow to do it right.

Is there much of a difference between compounds?

Prop is a shorter ester so it has to be injected more frequently to keep blood levels stable.. its not really ideal for a 1st timer as some people can get very bad post injection pain (PIP). Stick to test c or test e and they can be injected twice a week (monday and Thursday).

Do you know about what ancillaries to run on cycle and what your going to do pct?..

The more research you do the better idea you will have of how to run a successful cycle and keep your gains and keep healthy.

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[DarkerTimes]

Arimidex,HCG and colmid have been recommended to me.

I'm thinking 400mg of Cyp a week for 12 weeks along with Anavar at 60mg a day?!

Many thanks

 

[EZ_E]

Welcome to EF

A test only cycle for you will be ideal. E or C for 12 weeks.... do you know what pct is?

 

[bonacris]

Arimidex,HCG and colmid have been recommended to me.

I'm thinking 400mg of Cyp a week for 12 weeks along with Anavar at 60mg a day?!

Many thanks

Your on the right lines with your ancillaries but Clomid only for pct will make you feel pretty shitty.. its old school but Clomid at low dose along with some unleashed, post cycle forma and DAA is a pretty solid pct..

Run hcg on cycle and in the 2weeks between the end of your cycle and pct but don't run hcg in pct..

How does this sound

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[DarkerTimes]

Thank you

Post-cycle therapy- That's what the HCG and Colmid is for I believe ?!

I must admit I don't know a great deal about PCT; only the Bro science I hear down the gym.

Is there any benefit to Test C over Test E.

Thanks for your patience

 

[DarkerTimes]

Your on the right lines with your ancillaries but Clomid only for pct will make you feel pretty shitty.. its old school but Clomid at low dose along with some unleashed, post cycle forma and DAA is a pretty solid pct..

Run hcg on cycle and in the 2weeks between the end of your cycle and pct but don't run hcg in pct..

How does this sound

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That sounds interesting. I will research all of what you've said to me when I get home.

Thanks for the advice fella

 

[DarkerTimes]

The shopping list grows; unleashed & DAA ordered.

So time for the abuse to start lol. How do I structure the PCT then?

Testosterone Cypionate 200mg Monday/Thursday for 12 weeks, forget about the Anavar. Run the unleashed and DAA as explained on the label.

 

[semper03]

First off don't call it "the dark side".

1-10 test E 500mg/wk
If you want to kick start it you can run Dbol 1-4 at 40mg Ed.

Aromasin 12.5mg eod 2wk after first pin.

Pct:
Post cycle
Unleashed (can get both from needtobuildmuscle or if they're out get from protein factory) take as directed on bottles

Daa powder or chews
Formastanzol (both from mrsupps) rub onto nips morning and night as directed.

 

[RADAR]

Hi Craig,

Thanks for the response fella.

I've looked into this a fair bit and I'm liking the sound of Cyp or Prop.

I'm being honest with my diet and like I said; I quite literally have a couple of takeouts a month otherwise I'm clean as. Dropping the takeouts won't be an issue.

I have the resources and cash-flow to do it right.

Is there much of a difference between compounds?

Yes there is, prop has to be shot ED and is quite painful, Cypionate/or Ethanate can be injected once per week or split into 2 doses(mon-Thurs) for more stable blood levels and is mostly painless.

 

[DarkerTimes]

"FIRSTLY" Thanks for the response. Appreciated.

I will be running Cypionate over Enanthate, as I'm liking what I'm reading, and I'm leaning towards a 12 week cycle. I will have a look at Aromasin now.

 

[DarkerTimes]

Thanks Radar, I appreciate your time.

I'm leaning towards Cyp at the moment to be honest. There's quite a difference in opinion regarding the duration of the course?

This will sound stupid but would it be better to run a low dose for a longer period? 300-400 between 10-16 weeks. It's a f@&king mine field on the net lol

 

[bonacris]

Thanks Radar, I appreciate your time.

I'm leaning towards Cyp at the moment to be honest. There's quite a difference in opinion regarding the duration of the course?

This will sound stupid but would it be better to run a low dose for a longer period? 300-400 between 10-16 weeks. It's a f@&king mine field on the net lol

Stick to 12weeks @ 400.. this is plenty for a 1st time.. the net is full of old threads when Clomid and nolva were pct for every cycle.. newer threads usually have a bit more upto date pcts depending on the site.. but at least your doing your research 1st before starting and not halfway through when you run into problems, so I applaud you for that..


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[DarkerTimes]

Thanks Bonacris.

I'll post pictures and all details in a new thread as I start.

 

[doogle]

unleashed is goood shit bro, go on need to buildmuscle.com i love formastanzol

 

[DarkerTimes]

Cheers Fella, I'll give it a look now. A few people have mentioned formastanzol now. I'll research it a little and add it to the stash lol

Many Thanks

 

[Labtec70]

Hi

Agree with the guys...

Propionate is a great compound but it does have to be injected every other day, at least, because of short half-life. Testosterones: Propionate, Enanthate, Cypionate, Phenylpropionate, Isocaproate, Decanoate, Undecanoate, are all in essence simply Testosterone. The difference comes in the ester attached to it. Short esters (and so shorter half-life) like propionate have more available testosterone to the user (mg for mg) because less space is taken up by the ester. However, longer half-life products like undecanoate have very long ester chains and as such less testosterone is available compared to shorter ones, due to the esters taking up producy space. That's basically the difference between the testosterone compounds. There's information on the net and here too, I think, that explain what I'm saying in an easy to digest form.

So shorter half-life means more frequent pinning compared to the longer half-life testosterones. There's a testosterone therapy product that is 4000mg of undecanoate. It only needs injecting once every 10-14 weeks. I've got a vial myself. It looks like a torpedo and is a lot of gear to stick in your ass in one go!

Enanthate has a very slightly longer ester and half-life than cypionate - I stand corrected if I'm wrong - but they're pretty much equal in effect. Most guys seem to prefer cypionate over enathate but there's not much between them to be honest. Obviously, providing you've got a good pharma grade or UGL product.

What have you decided on?

All the best...N-Joi

Craig