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Final Cycle decision. Any changes????
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knightwolf
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go boy... 
... Mabye i'd up to 500mg test enat and 30mg of dbol...
... Mabye i'd up to 500mg test enat and 30mg of dbol...
wnt2bBeast
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RADAR said:
Agree with Radar...
napolean22
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15mg of Nolvadex is not very much. That's about 3/4 a tab. You might wanna do a little more research on PCT.
I like the odse of TE. You arebeing smart about it. That is good don;t go up to 500. You seem like you just want a nice boost, not to get an unatural large look or anything. This dose is good for somehting like that, it will be roughly 5-2.5 times more testosterone than your body would possibly make on its own.
Here is the problem. Even though you are using a small dose you still need an antiestogne throughout your cycle to prevent to much estrogen build up. 250mgs/week is enough to get your estrogen levels 5-2.5times higher than your body would make or "want to make" on its own too. When you are using the Dbol ontop of it all you will definately need an antiestrogen or else you will get trouble. Forget about nolva for the on cycle antie, go and get a good aromatase inhibitor like a-dex or exemestane. You can even use these drugs in concert with nolva for good PCT (a little know fact for some reason).
I would hold off on this hting untill you get the appropriate ancillary meds to prevent estrogenic side effects, don;t let yourself get fooled inot thinking that 250mg.week is to little a dose to produe estroge problems, especially with the dbol. The 250mg alone will start to cause estrogen problem IMO around week 2-3. No need to over express your feminie side.
Here is the problem. Even though you are using a small dose you still need an antiestogne throughout your cycle to prevent to much estrogen build up. 250mgs/week is enough to get your estrogen levels 5-2.5times higher than your body would make or "want to make" on its own too. When you are using the Dbol ontop of it all you will definately need an antiestrogen or else you will get trouble. Forget about nolva for the on cycle antie, go and get a good aromatase inhibitor like a-dex or exemestane. You can even use these drugs in concert with nolva for good PCT (a little know fact for some reason).
I would hold off on this hting untill you get the appropriate ancillary meds to prevent estrogenic side effects, don;t let yourself get fooled inot thinking that 250mg.week is to little a dose to produe estroge problems, especially with the dbol. The 250mg alone will start to cause estrogen problem IMO around week 2-3. No need to over express your feminie side.
wnt2bBeast
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No offense davs, but i think we need a spell check for posts lol..I wouldnt use nolva during keep it for pct or if gyno syptoms appear you can run some a-dex @ .25 mg/ed will help with some bloat and controlling estro..
napolean22
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PCT should consist of Nolv anywhere from 40-60mg/day for two weeks. Then 20mg for a third week. Don't waste your time by not coming off a cycle correctly. You WILL lose ALL of your gains!!!
there's a sticky at the top of the board "pct pct pct..." read it. Then read it again.
there's a sticky at the top of the board "pct pct pct..." read it. Then read it again.
This is a foolish cycle.
You are not going about this smart. There are 3 popular, major aromatising steroids (steroids that have estrgenic metabolites), d-bol,test, and eq. You are using 2 of them. It doesn't matter how low the dose is as long as it is above hormone replacement therapy dosing which is at most 100mg/week test enanthate or test cypionate (I don't know what it would be for dbol since it is not used for this purpose, I would assume 5-10mg/day--you can't combine 5-10mg/dy dbol + 100mg/week TE and say you are doing replacement, that would be double replacement). As long as you use pharmacological dosages of aas that put your levels above what is normal, or physiological, you will be putting yourself at major risk for developing hyperestrogenemia, too much estrogen in the blood for a man. Your nuts will shrink alot for one thing, as your body desperately tries to switch off the pump to stop the overflow of estrogen. Also you will get gyno, fat deposits in your lower body, in other weird places like your lower arms, and all sorts of other nasty feminizng things will happen depending upon what degree of a problem you have. If you are young, you can negatively modify your skeletal structure, your frame (in most males, around 18-20 your long bones ossify, stop growing, around 23-25 your rib cage and pelvic cavity ossify, before this they are still maturing). Why risk this? You are being foolish. Keep your estrogen levels in the male range and you won't get feminization.
Lay down the cash, this is your fucking body we are talking about, go get the arimidex, aromasin, or what have you and have a good succesful experience. Otherwise, you won't like your results. Be someone who uses peformance enhancing substances succesfuly not a loser who abuses steroids.
Please tell how old you are? That would help to know how important the use of anties is.
You are not going about this smart. There are 3 popular, major aromatising steroids (steroids that have estrgenic metabolites), d-bol,test, and eq. You are using 2 of them. It doesn't matter how low the dose is as long as it is above hormone replacement therapy dosing which is at most 100mg/week test enanthate or test cypionate (I don't know what it would be for dbol since it is not used for this purpose, I would assume 5-10mg/day--you can't combine 5-10mg/dy dbol + 100mg/week TE and say you are doing replacement, that would be double replacement). As long as you use pharmacological dosages of aas that put your levels above what is normal, or physiological, you will be putting yourself at major risk for developing hyperestrogenemia, too much estrogen in the blood for a man. Your nuts will shrink alot for one thing, as your body desperately tries to switch off the pump to stop the overflow of estrogen. Also you will get gyno, fat deposits in your lower body, in other weird places like your lower arms, and all sorts of other nasty feminizng things will happen depending upon what degree of a problem you have. If you are young, you can negatively modify your skeletal structure, your frame (in most males, around 18-20 your long bones ossify, stop growing, around 23-25 your rib cage and pelvic cavity ossify, before this they are still maturing). Why risk this? You are being foolish. Keep your estrogen levels in the male range and you won't get feminization.
Lay down the cash, this is your fucking body we are talking about, go get the arimidex, aromasin, or what have you and have a good succesful experience. Otherwise, you won't like your results. Be someone who uses peformance enhancing substances succesfuly not a loser who abuses steroids.
Please tell how old you are? That would help to know how important the use of anties is.
wnt2bBeast
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Davs said:
I think you need to do some more research as well!!
Bonkme2
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Davs, no offense, but quit scaring the guy.
Not everyone is going to grow huge breasts, especially on a relatively low dose like he's doing. OF COURSE HE SHOULD HAVE SOME NOLVA OR A-DEX ON HAND IN CASE. But geez, you're making it sound like he's going to grow a vagina.
As far as the 6-OXO goes...it COULD work, but you'd have to take a huge amount to get any kind of noticable results, which would cost you a ton of money. Just go with something a little more proven like clomid or nolva for you pct.
Not everyone is going to grow huge breasts, especially on a relatively low dose like he's doing. OF COURSE HE SHOULD HAVE SOME NOLVA OR A-DEX ON HAND IN CASE. But geez, you're making it sound like he's going to grow a vagina.
As far as the 6-OXO goes...it COULD work, but you'd have to take a huge amount to get any kind of noticable results, which would cost you a ton of money. Just go with something a little more proven like clomid or nolva for you pct.
