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Great read, from everyone. It stayed factual (for the most part), it didn't turn into a flamefest and it made everyone think.
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collegiateLifter
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Liftbig, while i respect the way you try to form arguments, your inductive abilities leave a lot to be desired.
collegiateLifter
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my bad. Liftshard..... you're inductive capabilities leave something to be desired.
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liftshard said:
Usually oral in pill form (not snorted) and from what I've seen, straight Oxy. It HAPPENS! They're addict, for christ's sake, of course they take more than they should. The first Unattended Death I went to as an investigator was Oxy.
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I don't disagree that the rate of Heroin OD is higher; I merely disagree with the notion that "you just don't see OC overdoses". They happen all the time, but like most unattended deaths they are not advertised. I had NO idea how many suicides/overdoses there were every day until I started investigating them and this was after being a cop for five years. It's not something that's discussed in the media usually. Thank god I don't have to deal with that anymore, however.
Well, then, let me restate.
The rate of accidental ODs from heroin is VASTLY higher than the rate of accidental ODs from OC because of the purity control of OC vis a vis heroin. Is that more to your liking?
I would wager that the rate of intentional OD from OC is a lot higher than for heroin because of the preference for suicide actors to pop pills instead of inject. But, the rate of Tylenol OD is the highest of any drug, so intentional ODs are really not relevant to this discussion which was about the objective "safety" of drug usage. Tylenol is very dangerous if intentionally abused, but it carries FAR less risk of death from accidental OD than does heroin. Cuz, nobody really knows wtf is in street junk and Tylenol's content is rigorously controlled. Unless you cooked it yourself from a pharmaceutical source of morphine, you've got no idea what heroin's potency or cutting agent content may be.
But, OC is a safer drug than heroin, despite the obvious chemical similarity and relatively similar potency, because OC's purity and content can be determined with certainty. That's really my fundamental point. *Accidental* ODs happen when people get messed up stuff or other cofactors conspire.
When I think of "OD," I don't think of "suicide attempt." Most people don't either; they harken back to the fright stories about "don't use drugs, because you might OD and die," the tales about crack users ODing and dying on their first hit and stuff like that. The term OD is oft-used in conjunction with accident and far less so in conjunction with suicide attempts. Usually, they leave off the drug and the term "OD" when discussing suicide, because they'd scare the goddamned nation to death over Tylenol. In terms of suicide, drug=hanging=gunshot (highspeed lead overdose).
The rate of accidental ODs from heroin is VASTLY higher than the rate of accidental ODs from OC because of the purity control of OC vis a vis heroin. Is that more to your liking?
I would wager that the rate of intentional OD from OC is a lot higher than for heroin because of the preference for suicide actors to pop pills instead of inject. But, the rate of Tylenol OD is the highest of any drug, so intentional ODs are really not relevant to this discussion which was about the objective "safety" of drug usage. Tylenol is very dangerous if intentionally abused, but it carries FAR less risk of death from accidental OD than does heroin. Cuz, nobody really knows wtf is in street junk and Tylenol's content is rigorously controlled. Unless you cooked it yourself from a pharmaceutical source of morphine, you've got no idea what heroin's potency or cutting agent content may be.
But, OC is a safer drug than heroin, despite the obvious chemical similarity and relatively similar potency, because OC's purity and content can be determined with certainty. That's really my fundamental point. *Accidental* ODs happen when people get messed up stuff or other cofactors conspire.
When I think of "OD," I don't think of "suicide attempt." Most people don't either; they harken back to the fright stories about "don't use drugs, because you might OD and die," the tales about crack users ODing and dying on their first hit and stuff like that. The term OD is oft-used in conjunction with accident and far less so in conjunction with suicide attempts. Usually, they leave off the drug and the term "OD" when discussing suicide, because they'd scare the goddamned nation to death over Tylenol. In terms of suicide, drug=hanging=gunshot (highspeed lead overdose).
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I am not talking about suicides; I am talking about OD. I merely brought up suicide as an illustration of an "unattended death". OC OD's are lower, however OC is a VERY dangerous drug and the number of people I see addicted to it is SKYROCKETING. Many people take it for legitimate uses and become addicts, from 40 year old to 15 year olds...
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