Evidence suggesting FINA contains ESTROGEN

[Spidey]

Holy Shit! Why didn't I think of that. There are trenbolone acetate estradiol benzoate mixtures. I don't remember which ones without going and looking it up; I think Finaplix-S may contain estradiol benzoate (or progesterone). Make sure the box says Finaplix-H on it. That is the one you want and has only 200 mg trenbolone acetate per dose; no estradiol benzoate or progesterone.

juicedmullet- I am working from memory here (I didn't want to save any evidence of illegal activity) but it was an ethyl acetate/hexane mixture. I think 25% ethylacetate in hexane and the rf was like 0.3. I did some synovex recently though and remember those conditions better. TLC solvent for test prop is 50% ethylacetate in hexane and the rf=0.23 (Merk plates). Estradiol benzoate is lower rf (about 0.15). Oh yeah, both trenbolone acetate and test prop (and estradiol benzoate for that matter) are highly UV active so the plates are easily visualized under a UV lamp. Alternatively, you can develop the plates by dipping them in a 5% aqueous solution of KMnO4 and heating them carefully with a heat gun. The spots will show up as yellow spots on a maroon or purple background. Careful not to heat too much or the entire plate will turn yellow and the spots will be hard to see.

-Spidey

OOPS! A correction here is in order. Juicedmullet- Those rf values are for methandrostenalone (dbol) not test prop. I analyzed some pinkies for a friend of mine recently and mentally confused the data.

The TLC for test prop was done in 25% ethylacetate in hexane and the rf was like 0.3 or 0.4. The estradiol benzoate was lower rf, about 0.2 or 0.3. I did the column with 12.5% ethylacetate in hexane, switching to 15% ethylacetate after the test prop began to elute. Complete separation of the test prop and the estradiol benzoate was realized.

-Spidey

 

[biggerthanu450]

OK, It has been several weeks since I started this thread, and during that time I have been off my short oral Fina cycle for a month and have gotten my hormone levels checked again.
Guess what...My estrogen has dropped from 418 (while on Fina) to 1.2 (range: 0.5-1.2) after being off Fina for 3 weeks. These are test results from my saliva hormone test. I did not get my bloodwork results back yet, but they are always very similar.
SO, It looks like Fina either contains estrogen, or is recognized as estrogen by the hormonal assay.

 

[tyhigs]

Don't laugh, but according to Brock Strasser of (censored), the shape of trenbolone MAY be estrogenic. He says that nolvadex would help for that though, and not femara/arimidex. Maybe thats what going on with you.

Too bad no one cares enough to study about these things anymore. Theres too much we dont know about these chemicals.

 

[Tomo]

Great idea spidey -tomo

 

[CB38AC]

I've read fina ups angrogen levels so much that your body ups its production of aromatase and you convert any test into estrogen in order to maintain symbiosis...

It makes perfect sense and letrozole with 700mg test and 150 fina bloated me alot less then no letrozole and 500mg test and 75mg fina

 

[tyhigs]

CB38AC, what is the source of your info? or is just third hand info?

 

[biggerthanu450]

I don't totally buy that theory because trenbolone is not a substrate for aromatase.
Although.... the promoter region of the gene that transcribes the aromatase enzyme is catalytically regulated by the downstream mechanisms secondary to estrogen receptor activation....i learned this in grad school endocrinology. Therefore, estrogen receptor activation by trenbolone could initiate this signal transduction cascade, and the subsequent elevation of aromatase.

 

[CB38AC]

I'm sorry I forget the post...It was either an article on got fina or a mod here...

It was a very reliable source and there was a lemgthy discussion on it...

Maybee I can find it again but I only posted it because I rememebr the post beeing very compelling

 

[CB38AC]

Originally posted by BillyGman on gotfina
I think that this a very interesting debate, and that both of you have introduced some valid points as have others earlier in this thread. I think that StD in a thread a few weeks ago(sorry I don't remember the thread title) had an interesting theory as well. He wrote that Gyno (atleast in the case of Fina use) must be like a three legged stool where if you you remove one leg or better yet two legs, then the stool would just calapse. And Progesterone is just one of those three legs. I think this speculation on StD's part definately has merit. Ofcourse I can't offer proof, but I believe that it's quite possible, and even probable that estrogen is directly or indirectly linked to the development of Progesterone related Gyno, as is perhaps Igf-1 also(perhaps the third leg of that stool). Another thing that I think would be wise for us to keep in mind, is that it is also quite possible(in my opinion) that because Trenbolone cannot be converted into Estrogen, your body then makes an extra effort to convert what ever else it can that is present in the bloodstream at the time, into estrogen, in an all-out effort to balance out the unnatural androgen to Estrogen ratio, weather it be what's left over of your own natural Testosterone production or another AS that's included in the cycle along w/the Trenbolone. I think that this would explain the minor bloat that some guys have reported w/Fina only cycles. That is also why it would be an excellent idea to always have Nolvadex onhand even during a Fina cycle, in order to start it's use immediately incase the first signs of Gyno are experienced.

I couldn't find everything I am almost sure thee was a post here too... but here the adress for this entire post from got fina...

http://www.gotfina.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2373